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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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It was summer 2014. Driving back to London with my baby daughter after a day out in Waltham Abbey, I was waiting for a traffic light to turn green. Pulled up beside me on my right-hand side was a long-haired, long-bearded man on a classic motorcycle. He looked around my car, and shook his head in seeming disapproval. Suddenly – with absolutely no provocation – he roared out “FUCKING NIGGERS”. Then he jumped the red light and sped off.

Every decent person could see that as a credible hate crime. But there are exchanges less clear cut, with motivations more arguable. How should society – and the law – deal with those?


Earlier this month, without scrutiny or fanfare, the Crown Prosecution Service abandoned a lengthy attempt to prosecute a recent university graduate for her use, in a jovial conversation on social media, of the word “nigga”. The case turned on an exchange on X (formerly Twitter) on 27 August 2023, after Newcastle United had been beaten 2-1 by Liverpool. Jamila A, a 21-year-old Black British woman, in conversation on X with an African American friend and referring to the Newcastle striker Alexander Isak, quipped: “@******** i’m so pissed off let me get my hands on that fuckin isak nigga.” The tweet was picked up by a data monitoring organisation hired by the Football Association, and months after the tweet was posted, the police were at her door.

She was taken into custody for questioning, subsequently arrested and charged with being in violation of the Malicious Communications Act 1988. After media interest, the CPS “downgraded” the charge to a violation of the Communications Act 2003: to be heard in a magistrates’ trial, where a conviction was more likely.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...if-she-were-a-man-or-white-or-straight-ntwnfb
When contacted about the case by the Independent newspaper July of last year, the CPS responded: “Hate crime has a profound impact on victims and communities. Being from an ethnic minority background does not provide a defence to racially abusing someone. Our commitment to tackling these abhorrent crimes through fair and impartial prosecution is unwavering.”

But on 5 March, after a year of causing Jamila A needless anxiety, the charges were dropped. There was brief mention of the outcome on social media and among interested journalists. The world moved on.

Still, there is an issue here, for Jamila was just the latest in an ever-growing line of Black and brown people to be targeted by a state that absurdly fails or refuses to understand the difference between stark and hurtful racism and the use of terms that have become common intra-communal parlance.

Racism is a terrible blight. All robust effort should be made by citizens to protect their fellow humans from it. But context is important. As I see it, the authorities made the conscious decision to ignore the glaringly crucial context that these were just two young Black people conversing like two young Black people about another young Black person. They were not hosting a Klan rally, and there was nothing obscene or out of the ordinary in their conversation. It’s clear to me that the player was not subject to any incitement to hate at the hands of Jamila A. As her lawyers said in a statement, “No evidence of any party finding the tweet offensive, indecent, obscene or menacing had been provided”.

For the benefit of the police and the CPS: the substantial difference between the biker screaming racism at my daughter and me, and Jamila referring to Isak as she did is not a matter of spelling or semantics but intent, history, culture and community. The biker subjected us to the words – and mannerisms – of white supremacy and dehumanisation. But that experience and the experience of a Black friend or even a Black stranger referring to me as or calling me the N-word are galaxies apart.

There have been other misapplications of outrage and concern. Last year’s so-called emoji trial ended in the crown court acquittal of a Black man charged after sending a raccoon emoji to a Black Conservative politician on social media. The word “coon” has long been a viciously racist slur directed by white racists towards Black people. But there is also, among Black Britons and African Americans, the term “cooning” – a form of critique directed at Black people alleged to be collaborating with or pandering to racism in order to curry favour. Last September, Marieha Hussain, a teacher of south Asian origin, was acquitted of a racially aggravated public order offence after she carried a placard depicting Rishi Sunak and Suella Braverman as “coconuts”: one of many forms of satirical critique used about visible minorities (and formerly colonised people) alleged to over-identify with the tastes, cultural practices and behaviours of their historical colonial overloards. District Judge Vanessa Lloyd ruled that the placard carried by Hussain was “part of the genre of political satire”. So, a heavily pregnant woman faced trial for obvious satire.

All the instances involved the weaponisation of terms that are sometimes controversial, sometimes satirical, sometimes unpleasant and sometimes loving, but widely recognised and accepted as intra-communal language – and, therefore, have an entirely different communal resonance. They show the very hate crime laws that were designed to protect minorities are now being used to persecute them. For some, that may be the intention. But it erodes the credibility of the state to protect and police a multicultural society such as our own. The words and images in question may not have been kind, but neither were they reason for intervention by police officers and courts.

Just as the word “queer” has been reclaimed by the LGBTQ+ community from the speech of homophobes, there has been a wider reclamation of oppressive, denigrative and dehumanising language. It comes from a place of community, kinship, shared characteristics and a history of oppression.

And it is interesting, is it not, that there is no sign of such intrusive policing when the N-word as deployed by rappers is being used to generate billions in profits for large, predominately white-owned companies?

There should be a conversation about this. Certainly, there should be a prosecutorial rethink. The law is based on statutes and interpretation, but surely its root is in common sense. There is enough real hate crime around. Why conjure it up where it doesn’t exist?
 
If you're doing implementations with currently available AI tools at best you're about ~2 years behind where I am on working the cutting edge of AI tech. The very latest of the research in my area could easily replace large numbers of office jobs already. It's just a matter of time for it to trickle down into products usable by companies/govts.
I’m tangentially involved with a project or two that is (allegedly) at the cutting edge of implementation in our industry.
It’s great for some stuff. Diagnostics in particular it’s hilariously good at to the point people get angry. But funnily they’re not using it for diagnostics and finance like they should be (finance seem remarkably insulated) they’re using it to build retarded systems that aim to just get rid of whole layers of staff. The problem is that not a single implementation done like this has ever actually worked yet the staff get laid off and we get to do what the system and the staff should have done, on top of everything else.
I really hate how it’s used. Hopefully your industry is less evil and retarded than mine is (unless your work has you throwing car batteries into the ocean this is probably the case.)
 
The nice thing about working in a role that is equal parts sitting at a desk having big thinks and getting covered in hydraulic oil while braying stuff with a hammer, I'm really not concerned about an AI eating my chips until Skynet T-800s start cutting about the place.

Sucks to be an Excel colouring-in guru, but so it goes.
 
I can't comment on Tate as I've never seen any of his videos myself and it would be wrong to judge not having an idea of what he espouses. However it seems as though he fills a void in the lives of his acolytes,perhaps one created by the absence of a strong, authoritarian male role model.
The screeching weirdos are right about Tate as he is a scumbag of the highest order. Sadly their screeching made him famous.
 
Today on 'horrors within my comprehension' we have this gem:

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That thing that they say doesn't happen sure keeps fucking happening, doesn't it?

(Also I'm aware this is shitty daily mail)
 

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Problem is the Flail and Torygraph tend to be the only ones actually publishing the articles. Because the Guardian and Independent hate to have it pointed out that, "they raped someone so they can't be deported" is straight from the mouths of anti-immigrant racists and also reality.
 
I have a quick question regarding Adolescence ( small spoiler alert ) -

In the second episode the detectives go to the school to get information from the kids regarding a motive and in the hope to recover the murder weapon. Whilst there, the fire alarm goes off and everyone musters to the playground. In the playground, Jade ( in a seemingly unprovoked attack ) then punches Ryan to the floor, in full view of the teachers and in the very near ( if not eyeline ) of the two detectives, and proceeds to stomp him multiple times whilst he is on the floor. Ryan is bloodied on the floor, is helped up woozily and escorted to the nurses office. Jade is subdued and removed by a member of staff. The two detectives DO NOTHING and then ask to question Ryan, to which the teacher replies that she's not sure about that given his state.

I'm curious, and unlike certain politicians I appreciate this is fiction, but should the detectives not have arrested Jade or at least done something ? Is that not at least common assault, if not common assault occasioning actual bodily harm ?
 
I'm curious, and unlike certain politicians I appreciate this is fiction, but should the detectives not have arrested Jade or at least done something ? Is that not at least common assault, if not common assault occasioning actual bodily harm ?
We as a society accept kids will get into scuffles as they are kids.

What you are suggesting will make this country gayer than what even Kier Starmer wishes.
 
I’m tangentially involved with a project or two that is (allegedly) at the cutting edge of implementation in our industry.
It’s great for some stuff. Diagnostics in particular it’s hilariously good at to the point people get angry. But funnily they’re not using it for diagnostics and finance like they should be (finance seem remarkably insulated) they’re using it to build retarded systems that aim to just get rid of whole layers of staff. The problem is that not a single implementation done like this has ever actually worked yet the staff get laid off and we get to do what the system and the staff should have done, on top of everything else.
On a totally off topic discussion Alex the ok has an interesting video on using an ai or at least a neural net to search for polish crop dusters
 
Reform's candidate in Runcorn & Helsby is former (Tory then independent) councillor Sarah Pochin, who was also the Tory candidate for Bolton South East at the 2017 general election.

A token attempt was made at scrubbing her social media, but not enough to, for example, obscure her attendance at a pro-refugee event a few years ago in her capacity as Mayor for Cheshire East.

So a pretty good insight into the sort of candidate you can expect Reform to put up from now on - rejects from other parties who show no skill except in toeing the given line. Which is largely what I expected.
 
The screeching weirdos are right about Tate as he is a scumbag of the highest order. Sadly their screeching made him famous.
And it really does say a lot that everyone respinded to the screeching with ‘yes and we’d rather listen to them than you what does that say about you?’

As Tate pointed out some time ago ‘they are just mad that they tried to make an example out of me and it backfired and they don’t know why’

Which is honestly the funniest thing. All these supposedly smart people and they can never work out the obvious.
 
And it really does say a lot that everyone respinded to the screeching with ‘yes and we’d rather listen to them than you what does that say about you?’

As Tate pointed out some time ago ‘they are just mad that they tried to make an example out of me and it backfired and they don’t know why’

Which is honestly the funniest thing. All these supposedly smart people and they can never work out the obvious.
Tate is the lowest form of life form that there is. I can’t stand women beaters. They make me want to fedpost and I hope someone friend of the Clinton’s him.
 
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