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A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[FedPostalService]

I'd very much like to get my hands on the raw data. For example I crunched the numbers on youth unemployment to make a graph showing what percentage of 16-24 year olds are actually in work, broken down by race;

If youth unemployment is so high then why does that queer Starmer want freedom of movement for under 25s so it’s even harder for them to get a job?

I fucking hate this government and neoliberalism needs to fucking die.

 

[Magnificus's #1 Student]

I’ve been lurking this thread since the southport stabbings happened but the article that EddyRooney (apologies if I mispelled it) posted a while back about the rape gangs has compelled me to break away from lurking and has me so MATI that it is hard to express into words. I’m not British so my opinion on this is probably worth jack, especially as an American, but how can anyone bear it here? The fact that thousands of girls were raped and the government actively covered it up and went to such great lengths to protect these poor girls abusers.

I know the subject has been trodden to death by this point but just reading it about from you all is enough to evaporate my blood from all the boiling it’s doing. I’ve moved over here for school but the fact that nobody seems to give a shit baffles and fucking infuriates me. The mere description of the things these politicians would have been subjected to for this in any other point in history would be enough to warrant a knock on the door. I won’t describe for that reason but my God how has it gotten to this point? How are you guys able to cope with all this, genuinely ?

I know tree of liberty being parched and all that and I’m aware of all the societal and institutional blocks you guys face but it’s hard to even wrap the head around. Am I spending too much time here or something and I just need to take a step back from the political side of the forum? Do I just need to go for a walk in the park or something? My heart breaks for these girls and the more I read into these problems the harder it is not to fedpost.

I hope this hasn’t derailed anything or been too much of a retread. Apologies if so, I just really hope those girls get some semblance of justice and reading about all this is enough to pop a blood vessel. Likewise, I hope you guys will be able to crawl out of this hole. You guys don’t deserve it.

 

[Karen of Human Resources]

If youth unemployment is so high then why does that queer Starmer want freedom of movement for under 25s so it’s even harder for them to get a job?

I fucking hate this government and neoliberalism needs to fucking die.

Because where is Starmer going to get his next promotion down the line?

He won't get a nice seat in Davos if he doesn't deliver the goods, but a promotion to a much higher paying role within the EU is near guranteed for a former head of government.

Even relative failures like Clegg and May started making the big bucks post leaving office but neither of them can hope to reach the apex of luxury the likes of Blair did while within the Union.

He could even have both if he works extra hard.

 

[AssignedEva]

If youth unemployment is so high then why does that queer Starmer want freedom of movement for under 25s so it’s even harder for them to get a job?

I fucking hate this government and neoliberalism needs to fucking die.

Because the unemployment rate is what they always point at, which is specifically defined as "without a job, looking for work within the last four weeks and able to start in the next two weeks", and that unemployment rate is generally what economists consider "healthy".

There are good reasons not to include some categories of economically inactive people - a well off housewife or uni student is not "unemployed" because they don't need to work and are not looking for work. But although "unemployment" isn't spiking, we're the only major economy that's seen our employment rate fall over the last five years. this figure is hiding a lot of people who could be working but aren't. There's conflicting stats bouncing about but it looks like around 7% of the working age population or 28% of the economically inactive population are economically inactive due to long term sickness, and this figure is growing;

53% of those economically inactive due to long term sick specifically cite depression. So you've got about 3.5% of the working age population saying they're too depressed to work. Now depression is no joke and the NHS provisions for mental health are increasingly shit, plus there's lots to be depressed about, but I suspect that there's a non zero number there who absolutely could work but have been enabled in some way to get PIP and put their feet up (which ironically can itself make depression worse). The Government clearly thinks similar, which is why they've set a target for an 80% employment rate. Although in government spending terms all they've really done is thrown pocket change at things called "NHS Accelerators" and "Regional Trailblazers", which is all very "quiet bat people". And naturally, this will count people on a zero hours contract who do one shift a week as "employed". The underemployment rate ("I want more hours but I can't get them") is about 7%, which translates to something like a tenth of all employed people

But it's easy to notice that the Government (not just this one) will tie themselves up in knots. When they want to talk about maintaining immigration or increasing freedom of movement, the emphasis will be on a low unemployment rate that's reducing labour market liquidity and nebulous skills gaps. When they want to try and prod the proles into doing something, they'll focus on the employment rate.

I’ve moved over here for school but the fact that nobody seems to give a shit baffles and fucking infuriates me.

If it makes you feel better, people do give a shit. If you just glance at YouGov you see a picture - 44% think immigration is THE biggest issue in the country right now, 69% think the government is handling it badly and 71% think immigration is too high. Only 20% of Brits think "immigration has been mostly good for the country". The Southport riots are a testament to that. But what you'll probably find is a lot of the time these conversations are happening at home behind closed doors - a lot of people won't lapse into discussing something as bleak and upsetting as "there are roving gangs of Pakistani men raping thousands of white girls, and the powers that be colluded to cover it up" at a social occasion.

The people who do do that, which is to say salt of the earth working class locals, are generally people you're less likely to encounter as an international student. While you'll largely be getting exposed to the one demographic who are the most likely to bury their head in the sand - idealistic young people at uni. Many of that cohort are hyperfocused on Palestine and will have the mindset of "saying there's a Pakistani mass rape problem is causing me cognitive dissonance because that sounds racist but is true, and the cognitive dissonance is making me uncomfortable, so I'm going to shut down this conversation by labelling it as racist".

Enjoy your time studying here! But I wouldn't recommend considering staying after uni, our salaries are terrible compared to the US.

 

[teriyakiburns]

But what you'll probably find is a lot of the time these conversations are happening at home behind closed doors - a lot of people won't lapse into discussing something as bleak and upsetting as "there are roving gangs of Pakistani men raping thousands of white girls, and the powers that be colluded to cover it up" at a social occasion.

I want to focus on this a moment, because I think it's something that a lot of people - even over here - miss when talking about how the country is tolerating all this shit and why "nothing ever happens" is so commonly thrown about, despite things happening pretty regularly. It's purely a matter of social convention; it's simply impolite to talk about it in public. Bringing it up on a night out makes you a killjoy, unless the mood is right (and if the mood is right you'll probably not want to bring it up anyway). The British peoples generally, but the English especially, don't broadcast their intention to start a riot the way some other cultures do. They don't lead up to it with sporadic bouts of violence before the big event, or loud declarations of the intent to overthrow the state, tear down all the statues of kings, and murder everyone darker than a sheet of paper. They talk to their families, they talk to their friends, and they protest peacefully. Then one day they go bang.

The permanent state is fully aware of this, which is why it has spent the better part of the last hundred years trying to suppress that behaviour and trying to pry into the intimate and personal affairs of every man, woman, and child in the country. It's why the state reacts with such purpose when the bang inevitably happens, because they know it's inevitable and they know it will quickly sweep out of control if it isn't immediately suppressed. The exact form of that reaction varies depending on who is in charge, but the general thrust of it is always the same: suppression and division. It's why the state is currently attempting to ignore and prevent knowledge of the farmers' protests,. while characterising them as "rich people who should pay their fair share"; they still believe they can manage the problem into obedience and then suppress it with extreme measures once public attention is elsewhere, despite the pattern being the same every time.

The only responses that have every worked against this set of affairs have been:

1) capitulate, like Thatcher with the poll tax and Churchill with the underground shelter uprisings
2) make it into a joke and then throw a bone to salve the wounded egos. Blair was good at this.

Additionally there's (3): hope it rains. There is no end to the list of English revolutions that failed because of bad weather. But there's also some fights that succeeded in spite of it.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

Glorious black female saviour of the conservative party says lack of social integration was why wog went stabby

When pressed on what evidence exists that social integration was linked to the killings, super-based, totally-looking-out-for-whitey, Badenoch said "trust me, yo"

The Conservative leader is pressed by Kuenssberg, who asks her to provide evidence that a lack of integration into society was the reason behind Rudakabana'a crimes.

Badenoch says that every time a politician tries to talk about issues of integration, there's a pushback about the language they use.

She says this sets the discussion back, and adds that she has seen lots of evidence from her work as minister for equality that more needs to be done.

"It's very difficult to get this kind of evidence, we do need personal experience, we do need anecdotes," she explains.

I did tell you that she would put darky first. She isn't the based saviour that some here were jumping about at. She's a nigger, and she will niggerfy the conservative party. Give it six months of her in charge and there will be boom boxes and tyre-swings in parliament.

 

[Geoff Capes Vapes Apes]

You can't integrate people who originate from a culture where you can wake up one morning and go "machete genocide? Sounds spiffing, just let me get my coat".

These people believe in witchcraft, cracking open albinos heads to get the gold nuggets out, penis-stealing goblins..... They need to go back .

 

[Chunky Salsa]

The basic qualification for leading the English is being English. Always has been, always will be.

 

[FedPostalService]

I want to focus on this a moment, because I think it's something that a lot of people - even over here - miss when talking about how the country is tolerating all this shit and why "nothing ever happens" is so commonly thrown about, despite things happening pretty regularly.

I think it’s because everyone gets their news from the telly box. ITV, BBC, and Sky News are just mouthpieces for the establishment.

You‘d be surprised how angry boomers are though. In my dad’s little circle of drinking buddies nearly all of them are voting Reform. Boomers are to old to go out and set shit on fire though.

The rest of the country is mostly hoping that if they ignore problems long enough the 90s will start all over again.

As Orwell said though, hope lies with the proles. The great unwashed are taking the brunt of the failings of neoliberalism and are really fucking angry.

Someone like me should be happy with the status quo and keeping my eyes shut in my leafy middle class paradise but even I can’t help noticing that when o step out of my bubble there’s fucking Africans everywhere that weren’t there six months ago.


The main problem we have is Farrage is a clown and an egoist and a coward. Maybe Trump will bully him into growing a set of balls but unless him or the Tories man the fuck up we done for.

 

[ParasiteSteve]

I did tell you that she would put darky first. She isn't the based saviour that some here were jumping about at. She's a nigger, and she will niggerfy the conservative party. Give it six months of her in charge and there will be boom boxes and tyre-swings in parliament.

I would like the faggots who were happy to have her, and thought she was some "based nigger". Plenty of KF regulars were happy to shout down any talk of her being shit, eh Spunt, too busy sucking off the next boat of niggers and hoping one will save you.

Like all niggers, she will do the typical nigger game of blame whitey, gimmie handouts, someone else sort it out and I can take credit. Typical nigger behaviors.

 

[-Jack-]

I would like the faggots who were happy to have her, and thought she was some "based nigger". Plenty of KF regulars were happy to shout down any talk of her being shit, eh Spunt, too busy sucking off the next boat of niggers and hoping one will save you.

Like all niggers, she will do the typical nigger game of blame whitey, gimmie handouts, someone else sort it out and I can take credit. Typical nigger behaviors.

Have you ever been to Gregg's?

 

[A-Logato]

Glorious black female saviour of the conservative party says lack of social integration was why wog went stabby

When pressed on what evidence exists that social integration was linked to the killings, super-based, totally-looking-out-for-whitey, Badenoch said "trust me, yo"

I did tell you that she would put darky first. She isn't the based saviour that some here were jumping about at. She's a nigger, and she will niggerfy the conservative party. Give it six months of her in charge and there will be boom boxes and tyre-swings in parliament.

Elect a wog, get wog politics. Rishi did the exact same thing with Indians and the Conservatives became the Hindu nationalist party and exploded the immigration from India to the UK. If Kemi were to ever become prime minster then we'd see an even bigger surge of Nigerians then what were already seeing on top of a massive push of their politics.

Social integration is the issue as far as that the sheer amount of foreigners coming over have made integration impossible as they have their own enclaves to operate within. Southport is not such a case as it's overwhelmingly a white area going off of the data released in the 2023 census. Perhaps for a second it wasn't whiteys fault for not being nice enough to the invaders and maybe, just maybe this nig was a psychopath that Prevent (an organization started by the conservatives btw) should have picked up on and stopped years ago.

 

[Karen of Human Resources]

I would like the faggots who were happy to have her, and thought she was some "based nigger". Plenty of KF regulars were happy to shout down any talk of her being shit, eh Spunt, too busy sucking off the next boat of niggers and hoping one will save you.

Like all niggers, she will do the typical nigger game of blame whitey, gimmie handouts, someone else sort it out and I can take credit. Typical nigger behaviors.

Not entirely on board with your assessment. But I will agree she's useless.

I've always thought she was a temporary shield personally. Things have shifted since the current regime landed and Trump was inaugurated in that, despite how fiercely you are attacked for criticism of left dogmas, the fierceness of the attack hasn't waned so much as its being directed at far more dissenters at once than before. Its less focused.

Had a white person stood opposite from any member if the cabinet at PMQs at the very start, they would have been hounded as a racist. As sad as it is, Badernoch does have a distinct advantage as the child of African migrants that makes her much harder to brand as one. Being an Asian woman like Braverman or Patel isn't enough anymore, you've got to do better.

I don't think she was intended to lead the Tories into the next election. I think she was "Fuck we're on the defensive" choice.

Rayner can yell across the commons that the tories are gammons, bigots and every flavour of demon in the modern theological paradigm but it is still exceptionally hard for a white person to accuse the proud black woman done good of being a national socialist which is exactly what would have happened in the first 100 days of government otherwise.

 

[Crispy Jakes]

You‘d be surprised how angry boomers are though. In my dad’s little circle of drinking buddies nearly all of them are voting Reform. Boomers are to old to go out and set shit on fire though.

I hope that's true, but the Conservative party will live on thanks to boomers saying "right, enough is enough, I'm voting for Olukemi Olufunto Adegoke Badenoch to end this nonsense!", while imfamously but unsurprisingly work-shy Kemi "I'm-On-My-BREAK" Badenoch uses what little time she actually spends in parliament to debate which African backwater serves up the best jollof rice.

Boomers are the people who litter the comments of GBNews and Daily Mail articles covering immigration or net-zero with "we need Boris back!".
You know, the man who not only gave us the highest levels of immigration ever experienced in the history of this country, but is also who we owe for having an even more retarded energy and environmental policy than Germany.

 

[Chunky Salsa]

Not entirely on board with your assessment. But I will agree she's useless.

I've always thought she was a temporary shield personally. Things have shifted since the current regime landed and Trump was inaugurated in that, despite how fiercely you are attacked for criticism of left dogmas, the fierceness of the attack hasn't waned so much as its being directed at far more dissenters at once than before. Its less focused.

Had a white person stood opposite from any member if the cabinet at PMQs at the very start, they would have been hounded as a racist. As sad as it is, Badernoch does have a distinct advantage as the child of African migrants that makes her much harder to brand as one. Being an Asian woman like Braverman or Patel isn't enough anymore, you've got to do better.

I don't think she was intended to lead the Tories into the next election. I think she was "Fuck we're on the defensive" choice.

Rayner can yell across the commons that the tories are gammons, bigots and every flavour of demon in the modern theological paradigm but it is still exceptionally hard for a white person to accuse the proud black woman done good of being a national socialist which is exactly what would have happened in the first 100 days of government otherwise.

The people that care about if you're a racist, are the people that also believe in internalised racism. The people that don't, don't want a non British person in charge. We're so far past 'See, I can't be racist because my token friend here!' That it's not even funny.

 

[teriyakiburns]

I don't think she was intended to lead the Tories into the next election. I think she was "Fuck we're on the defensive" choice.

She's good at the BIFF BAM show politics of PM's questions, and she was initially right when saying the party needed to re-orient before it started setting out policies. She was better than Tuginghat and Jenrik for that post-election period. I think she'll be gone in a year.

Family conversations tell me that she's losing the tory base, though. The staunch tory side of the family are all openly saying they'll vote reform now, despite Farage being in charge. My brother said it's because Kier is radicalising him, so naturally I reported him to the police for hatespeech.

 

[A-Logato]

At this point were well beyond the Tory brand of politics, by all metrics their not a right wing party. Even the Boomer consensus of racism has been long since dismissed as pure nonsenses that got us in this state in the first place. The Teal Tory's in Reform are not going to be able to fix these issues unless they get really serious between now and the next election and actually decide to follow what Americas doing but even then that wont be enough.

This Labour government has some how been so bad, so fast that the Overton window has swung rightward purely in response to just how bad things have gotten under Labour who really don't seem to care and appear to be trying to force through as much as possible before their either outed or a horde of angry gammons show up with pitchforks and torches.

The Tory's are one thousand cuts, Labour is a shotgun blast to the face.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

At this point were well beyond the Tory brand of politics, by all metrics their not a right wing party.

My favourite argument against any lefty-fags who say the right-wing are evil and the tories are right-wing, is to say:
BSP - "the Tories aren't right-wing, or conservative"
NPC - "Yes they are!!"
BSP - "They have a black female in charge, support gay marraige and welcome migrants. Which part of that is right-wing?"

What follows is always, without fail, a blank stare and silence as the mental cogs spin furiously as they search their 'reddit-brain' for an answer.

We have 0 right-wing or conservative parties in this country. 0. At best we have centrist/slightly-left-of-centre parties.

 

[A-Logato]

My favourite argument against any lefty-fags who say the right-wing are evil and the tories are right-wing, is to say:
BSP - "the Tories aren't right-wing, or conservative"
NPC - "Yes they are!!"
BSP - "They have a black female in charge, support gay marraige and welcome migrants. Which part of that is right-wing?"

What follows is always, without fail, a blank stare and silence as the mental cogs spin furiously as they search their 'reddit-brain' for an answer.

We have 0 right-wing or conservative parties in this country. 0. At best we have centrist/slightly-left-of-centre parties.

The average labour voter has been raised on a diet of anti-tory and anti-thatcher propaganda and somehow believes the modern conservative is the same as the ones from the 70's and 80's. No matter how progressive or liberal the law the Conservatives passes, their still the big boogiemen who shut down the coal mines and took milk from kids (even though these people hate the working class).

If anything the Tory's are more left wing then Labour but I don't think their ready for that conversation.

 

[Karen of Human Resources]

The average labour voter has been raised on a diet of anti-tory and anti-thatcher propaganda and somehow believes the modern conservative is the same as the ones from the 70's and 80's. No matter how progressive or liberal the law the Conservatives passes, their still the big boogiemen who shut down the coal mines and took milk from kids (even though these people hate the working class).

If anything the Tory's are more left wing then Labour but I don't think their ready for that conversation.

What always astounds me on this front is that Labour constantly portrays itself as the cutting edge of "progressive values", and yet they've always been vastly more socially conservative through history!

Who brought in gay marriage? The Tories.
Who brought in the Equality Act? The Tories.
Who gave votes to women? The Tories.
Who keeps finding itself with non white and female leaders? Also, Tories.

Who is it that is currently promoting religious interests? Labour.
Who is it that brought in blasphemy laws? Labour.
Who is it that can't elect a woman as leader, because it'll piss off all their religious/naturalised voters? Labour.
Who is it that hides rape gangs under their skirts for the good of what the Jones' think? Labour.

Even the Labour predecessors, the Whigs, were rabid non-Anglicans who had an urge to impose puritanism on the population at large unlike the comparatively mild and largely indifferent High-Church Anglican Tories. While the Tories aren't indifferent anymore, I think there's a nice continuity in the urge to impose morality from the self defined left side of UK politics.

The Tories have, oddly, been marked in modern history with a surprisingly tolerant outlook on others within the UK (exception perhaps to Northern Ireland, but that's a can of worms for another day) But they never got the credit for this.