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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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#VEGANsausageroll thanks Greggs

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[A-Logato]

Wait u til America has been doing it for a year and the chorus of ‘why can’t we do that..?’ Gets loud

Well as Farage has said on many other things such as having populism and funnily enough deportations in the UK:

"That wouldn't work here"

 

[Chunky Salsa]

Well as Farage has said on many other things such as having populism and funnily enough deportations in the UK:

"That wouldn't work here"

Maybe, but I'd give it a go anyway.

 

[Karen of Human Resources]

Unless we're nudged into loudly proclaiming how terrible it is out of a fear of social ostracism.

This is just where we have to be brave though.

I'm not as brave as some. I look "diverse", and I can see the visible confusion when I rebuke people in my life inside and outside of work for spouting woke dogmas that aren't law. But we all really do have to.

I had a conversation recently with a family freind who said, on the subject of the sexual abuse of children and violence against people outside their group: "We have to accept people are coming here for a better life just like us and they have a different way to what we've learned". I lost a freind of about thirty years, but sometimes a line has to be drawn and we have to just say no.

 

[Special spoonie]

This one is a particular joke.
Migrants hanging around another
school, this time Northamptonshire. Police’s only response is “don’t worry they didn’t do anything. Nothing to see here. We shall talk to them about cultural expectations!” Like fucking standing outside a school is normal behaviour. What would happen if that was a white nonce who did that, I wonder?

https://archive.ph/Qgcql

 

[Chunky Salsa]

This one is a particular joke.
Migrants hanging around another
school, this time Northamptonshire. Police’s only response is “don’t worry they didn’t do anything. Nothing to see here. We shall talk to them about cultural expectations!” Like fucking standing outside a school is normal behaviour. What would happen if that was a white nonce who did that, I wonder?

https://archive.ph/QgcqlView attachment 6903479

People need to accept that the police are not there for them, and they need to not rely on them. The police will not help you, accept it, internalise it, move onto the next rung of what to do.

 

[BrightonAndHoveAlbion]

Next time I'm going through Dover, I'll do my part and hogtie a load of browns in the boot of the car. Maybe I'll rent a lorry. They never check you going out, only when you come back in.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

Problem is, what do we actually do about it? I don't think there's any easy answer.

Firstly, get better data. This isn't just you, but the government at large.
Ages ago, some nonce in charge decided to fuck around and allow zero-hour contracts and then fudged the wording to allow those who work 4 hours a week to be classed as 'working', which they are not. It would take 10 of those cases to be equal to 1, 40 hour per week job. The data is a lie, anyone with working eyes can see that people ARE NOT working.
A shopping centre near me went from midday ghost town to being packed 24/7 within the space of a year, most of them were brownoids. This was 20 years ago/

Secondly, deport all migrants, regardless of flavour, who are working part-time or zero hour contracts and fine all employers - and there are many, for bolstering the ranks with part-time migrant labour.
If those companies go under, then good, they were contributing nothing and company that relies on cooking the books and slave labour in order to survive, isn't a healthy company and should be allowed to die through the capitalist process, rather than kept afloat akin to some woke-communism.

Thirdly, celebrate work. In healthy societies and empires, working hard is centre-piece of any administration; from the Soviet Unions' Hammer and Sickle to the slogan of "Arbeit Macht Frei", those nations, genocides aside, had work ethic that turned them from povery to superpower within a decade. Feckless, non-value added careers like 'influencer' and 'streamer' should be knocked on the head. A return to manufacturing in the North and a strong IT and Banking sector in the South is what we need; The north make it, the south sell it. It worked well for our old Empire.

Lastly, grab the EU by the bollocks and tell the WEF to stand behind the UK or fuck off. We survived without both before and we can do it again. Open the coal mines and tell China to cram it. Frack, build wind turbines and nuclear plants and sell energy cheap as chips to Germany. Use cheap energy and a joint manufacturing partnership as a sweetener to get them to fall inline.

"what can we realistically expect the Government to do about this".

Have sex with more children while doing none of the above and making everything worse. They need to get their shit together because I'll convert to Islam before I'm ruled over by a yank.

 

[SirCliveSinclairdabbing]

Lastly, grab the EU by the bollocks and tell the WEF to stand behind the UK or fuck off. We survived without both before and we can do it again. Open the coal mines and tell China to cram it. Frack, build wind turbines and nuclear plants and sell energy cheap as chips to Germany. Use cheap energy and a joint manufacturing partnership as a sweetener to get them to fall inline.

This is why Liz Truss was smeared out of government. Actually standing up for the British.

 

[FedPostalService]

"Arbeit Macht Frei"

You might want to look where that phrase was posted in wrought iron before you start celebrating it.

 

[Smyrna]

A poll by Opinium for tomorrow's Observer newspaper marks a minor polling milestone (for those sad acts like me who are interested in psephology) - it puts Reform at 27%, which is a Westminster voting intention record for any party led by Farage. The previous record was 26%, achieved 4 times by the Brexit Party in the aftermath of the Maybot's ultimate malfunction and matched earlier this week by FindOutNow.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

You might want to look where that phrase was posted in wrought iron before you start celebrating it.

Read, nigga. I acknowledged where it came from and anyone who doesn't know that it's at Auschwitz should be sent to shower there.

 

[Mound Dweller]

The economic arguments for TOTAL BOATWOG DEATHPORTATION are compelling indeed even from a purely non-racialist perspective; it's the economy stupid everyone can agree to that (even if my own take on the ultimate answer is techno-feudalism). Why the fuck doesn't it get any air time though hmmm?
I don't buy into it being a conspiracy of interests keeping the truth down I look at the dull gormless eyes of those who lead us and think; they really don't know any better do they, could just be another fallacy I suppose.
Is Farage and the like even mid-IQ? He has some real toff moments sometimes.

 

[EddyRooney]

A well run country that lets the free market exclusively decide salary will often trend towards poverty wages.

This statement is nonsense. By definition, if a country is well run, the labour market will have a more equitable balance of power between industry and workers.

A well run country wouldn't have a massive surplus of illiterate, cheap foreign labour undermining the indigenous supply. You need your domestic "D-streamers" doing these jobs - even to the extent of removing benefits if they refuse to do them. Pride in work and conrtibuting to society should be encouraged. Instead we have a society where sections think poncing a living off the welfare state is clever and not exceedingly shameful.
In theory if well run there would be a domestic supply of labour that matched the demands of industry and evolved accordingly. Any importing of labour would only happen as a short term fix to an industry specific shortage.

I think your arguments are massively outdated and socialist in origin. "Collective bargaining comrades, that's how to oppose these evil capitalists". Labour is fluid nowadays, there should be and is freedom of movement within the country. When the unions were formed people didn't have the opportunity to move they have now, both geographically and across industries ). Thus if a worker decides a wage is too low, then they can move to another job ( I appreciate there are real world issues that mean fluidity isn't perfect, but over time it should be ). This would mean if CEOs conspire to lower the wage ( in effect through forming an oligopoly ) - they simply won't be able to hire anyone and the company will fail. The demon is allowing foreign workers in to undercut the market by encouraging immigration or to allow offshoring.

I'm not completely against collective bargaining, but as ever, the argument is incredibly nuanced and it's very difficult to talk in generalisations. I didn't agree with Thatcher's policy of crushing the unions and closing the pits. That was ideologically driven ( right wing / free markets / international trade - comparative advantage being mutually beneficial ) - but completely ignored the damage it was doing to whole generations in these communities. It was worth the government subsidising these industries to keep natives employed, paying taxes, contributing to the economy, building a pension and the social coheseion and well being of the area.
More than anything I would want the government to maintain some sort of equilibrium between industry and the unions where neither side is too powerful - that way we won't have train drivers being paid £65k a year basic nor will we have CEOs being paid a thousand times their average employee.

An awful lot of this is very tightly linked to productivity. Unions act as a dampner on this key economic indicator , as do overpaid CEOs making poor decisions. The reason why we are falling behind is we have tolerated far too many negative influencers on productivity for far too long. This is a key reason why we are falling behind comparitively to other countries in terms of relative pay.

 

[Chunky Salsa]

The economic system is largely not relevant when the political will we live under hates us. The issue of economy and finance is a rung up the ladder of what the issue is. The rung we're actually on is essentially debating the question as follows: "Do the British people as an entity deserve to exist in their own nation." The government says no. A government of commies, Nazis, Anarchists or Ford worshipping capitalists could all come into power one after the other, and nothing would really change if they all still agree with the previous governments stance of 'No' to that question. Our issue is that we're ruled by people who seem to just want to strip the country out and sell it off like sausage scraps at the market; before abandoning ship and zipping over to somewhere else.

Our wages are also dogshit low as well though.

 

[AssignedEva]

Firstly, get better data. This isn't just you, but the government at large.
Ages ago, some nonce in charge decided to fuck around and allow zero-hour contracts and then fudged the wording to allow those who work 4 hours a week to be classed as 'working', which they are not. It would take 10 of those cases to be equal to 1, 40 hour per week job. The data is a lie, anyone with working eyes can see that people ARE NOT working.

I'd very much like to get my hands on the raw data. For example I crunched the numbers on youth unemployment to make a graph showing what percentage of 16-24 year olds are actually in work, broken down by race;

This was a fudge job though, because the full raw data set is not available. We're lucky in the UK that the ONS does provide a surprising amount of data, but it's often heavily filtered or presented non-contiguously. For example, you can daisy chain certain things together:

So if you calculate the percentage of people actually in work by combining the economically inactive rate with the unemployment rate, and then you use the figures on full time employment to do a percentage of that percentage, you get the following table:

Ethnicity	Inactive	Unemployed	Employed	Of employed, full time	Overall full time
White Other	15%	4%	81%	82%	66%
Indian	20%	4%	76%	82%	62%
White British	21%	3%	76%	76%	58%
All	22%	4%	74%	76%	56%
Asian Other	24%	7%	69%	77%	53%
Asian	26%	6%	68%	77%	52%
Other	28%	6%	66%	76%	50%
Black	26%	7%	67%	74%	50%
Pakistani/Bangladeshi	33%	9%	58%	69%	40%

So you can see that the majority of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis in the UK do not work in full time employment. Once again, if you had the full data set you could probably drill down further and work out the average tax contribution per capita of each group contrasted with the average benefit expenditure of each group, and then work out if they're net fiscal contributors or drains. But they're not going to share that data analysis publicly. You know they have it and they've done the maths, but they're not going to publish it; they're going to keep things separate to make them nice for press releases. You might be able to gradually freedom of information request it out of them, but it'd be a struggle.

This statement is nonsense. By definition, if a country is well run, the labour market will have a more equitable balance of power between industry and workers.

A well run country wouldn't have a massive surplus of illiterate, cheap foreign labour undermining the indigenous supply. You need your domestic "D-streamers" doing these jobs - even to the extent of removing benefits if they refuse to do them. Pride in work and conrtibuting to society should be encouraged. Instead we have a society where sections think poncing a living off the welfare state is clever and not exceedingly shameful.
In theory if well run there would be a domestic supply of labour that matched the demands of industry and evolved accordingly. Any importing of labour would only happen as a short term fix to an industry specific shortage.

I think your arguments are massively outdated and socialist in origin. "Collective bargaining comrades, that's how to oppose these evil capitalists". Labour is fluid nowadays, there should be and is freedom of movement within the country. When the unions were formed people didn't have the opportunity to move they have now, both geographically and across industries ). Thus if a worker decides a wage is too low, then they can move to another job ( I appreciate there are real world issues that mean fluidity isn't perfect, but over time it should be ). This would mean if CEOs conspire to lower the wage ( in effect through forming an oligopoly ) - they simply won't be able to hire anyone and the company will fail. The demon is allowing foreign workers in to undercut the market by encouraging immigration or to allow offshoring.

I'm not completely against collective bargaining, but as ever, the argument is incredibly nuanced and it's very difficult to talk in generalisations. I didn't agree with Thatcher's policy of crushing the unions and closing the pits. That was ideologically driven ( right wing / free markets / international trade - comparative advantage being mutually beneficial ) - but completely ignored the damage it was doing to whole generations in these communities. It was worth the government subsidising these industries to keep natives employed, paying taxes, contributing to the economy, building a pension and the social coheseion and well being of the area.
More than anything I would want the government to maintain some sort of equilibrium between industry and the unions where neither side is too powerful - that way we won't have train drivers being paid £65k a year basic nor will we have CEOs being paid a thousand times their average employee.

An awful lot of this is very tightly linked to productivity. Unions act as a dampner on this key economic indicator , as do overpaid CEOs making poor decisions. The reason why we are falling behind is we have tolerated far too many negative influencers on productivity for far too long. This is a key reason why we are falling behind comparitively to other countries in terms of relative pay.

I will concede that I didn't quite understand what your meaning of a "well run country" was. I'd say that Victorian Britain was "well run" in many regards, in that it was an economic powerhouse that ruled the world and could effortlessly pull of gigantic infrastructure projects... but so many people didn't have so much as two pennies to rub together. But if you're saying a well run country is one where workers have more of a say, then we're somewhat aligned. We might disagree with exactly how to get there, but we both agree that the flow of cheap labour needs to be halted and there should be an emphasis on British protectionism. That will inevitably involve going against what the markets want, however.

 

[EddyRooney]

Further considerations ( excluded from your data as not declared by respondents ) -

what percentage is illegal employment ( drugs trade, etc ) ?
what percentage is black market employment ( cash in hand, keeping money in the family, not taxed, etc ) ?
how much money from employment is sent back home overseas ( effectively not contributing to our economy ) ?
I'm sure there are many more factors. As much as I appreciate your post as a kind of cost / benefit analysis, as you allude to, I'm not sure you will ever be able to get all the data to provide a full picture. It's subjective and I am cynical, but I would imagine if we knew the full extent of all this, we would be outraged - and that is why it is kept from us.

 

[AssignedEva]

Further considerations ( excluded from your data as not declared by respondents ) -

what percentage is illegal employment ( drugs trade, etc ) ?
what percentage is black market employment ( cash in hand, keeping money in the family, not taxed, etc ) ?
how much money from employment is sent back home overseas ( effectively not contributing to our economy ) ?
I'm sure there are many more factors. As much as I appreciate your post as a kind of cost / benefit analysis, as you allude to, I'm not sure you will ever be able to get all the data to provide a full picture. It's subjective and I am cynical, but I would imagine if we knew the full extent of all this, I would imagine we would be outraged - and that is why it is kept from us.

Even with the incomplete data, it just frustrates me. It took 5 minutes of googling to find the ethnic breakdowns of unemployment, economic activity and percentage full time employed on the ONS website. It's then a very simple multiplication of decimals. I don't have a mathematical background but you don't need to be good at maths to crunch these numbers. So why aren't any journalists doing it? Only 40% of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are in full time employment - why? It's not racism, because Indians have a 62% full time employment rate - higher than White British. So why is nobody raising this? Journalists just copy and paste press releases from government these days.

 

[Snekposter]

I would love trump and whatever Rottweiler he has installed as outreach to our fair isle to simply turn up and vindictively bitch slap the entire administration into shape. I’d pay to see it.
Remember Khan’s trump baby blimp? Such disrespect - I cannot think of any other world leader getting even a hint of such treatment in the UK. Ffs we host genuine dictators and give them fancy dinners.

To you its disrespectful, but to me its the best way London could have shown what a petulant mess it is.

 

[InteracialBowelSyndrome]

This one is a particular joke.
Migrants hanging around another
school, this time Northamptonshire. Police’s only response is “don’t worry they didn’t do anything. Nothing to see here. We shall talk to them about cultural expectations!” Like fucking standing outside a school is normal behaviour. What would happen if that was a white nonce who did that, I wonder?

https://archive.ph/QgcqlView attachment 6903479

"Nothing to see here. That's why we've stepped up patrols and multiple articles are being written about this."

Remember that the plod are on the side of the enemy. Don't help them.

 

[TheAlgaeRhythm]

Ethnicity	Inactive	Unemployed	Employed	Of employed, full time	Overall full time
White Other	15%	4%	81%	82%	66%
Indian	20%	4%	76%	82%	62%
White British	21%	3%	76%	76%	58%
All	22%	4%	74%	76%	56%
Asian Other	24%	7%	69%	77%	53%
Asian	26%	6%	68%	77%	52%
Other	28%	6%	66%	76%	50%
Black	26%	7%	67%	74%	50%
Pakistani/Bangladeshi	33%	9%	58%	69%	40%

Indians have a 62% full time employment rate - higher than White British.

I won't pretend to have much insight, but just a few observations

First, the obvious: certain employment percentages are likely inflated by those working in various family-owned businesses, compared to the average brit whose parents work outside the home and can't really do all that much to help them gain employment.

Also, two significant groups where native youth unemployment is concerned: the drug dealers/school-leavers who got tied up in gangs or other criminal elements, bearing in mind "certain criminals" (bongposting without a loicense, sorry) grooming young boys into gang/illegal activity is as prevalent as them raping young girls, and uni-leavers. Unskilled and unemployable in the current climate. School til 16, college til 18, uni until you're 21 or older- but then what? They might not even have had a job yet, holding out until they get the degree for better pay or better offers, meanwhile Abdul's been snatched up as a "living wage" diversity hire fresh out the exam hall.

Go a bit older and the dealers are either dead or got a plastering job, the uni-leavers finally wiped the stars out their eyes, swallowed it and got a retail job while keeping an eye out for something better, and Abdul's moved on to his next DEI quota-fill because he could barely read english and was inappropriate with a young intern.

I'm sure there are other elements boosting certain numbers (single fighting age men coming to a country without family to support them and living ten to a box still need to eat afterall) and damaging others (are the employment rates of young-ish people whose formative years weren't damaged by a pandemic of delusion and hysteria faring any better in comparison?)

I don't know enough to say which numbers would rise and fall if the net was widened, but I do have a hunch based on my own lying eyes. The cynical part of me wonders about potential suppressing of employment of native whites, also.