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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.
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It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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isalaide said:
Not sure why you are shitting on genuine refugees saying that, now their home nation is safe, they will no longer continue to seek refuge in another country but to go home. That sounds more than reasonable tbh.
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If they were genuine then they wouldn't have skipped over every country in Europe and safe parts of the middle east to come here.
 
A-Logato said:
If they were genuine then they wouldn't have skipped over every country in Europe and safe parts of the middle east to come here.
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They mostly travelled here directly due to having family here and speaking mostly English as a second language. Most of Syria's healthcare staff had been trained in the UK at some point. You will remember even Assad himself and his wife practiced as NHS consultants here in the North East of England.

Syrians who fled were disproportionately educated professional people. As you said yourself - doctors and engineers. They had the money and ability to flee Assad and did so.

If your government tomorrow started rounding up its 'ideological enemies' - and something tells me you didn't vote Labour last time - and holding them indefinitely prior to execution, and you could get the fuck out to your sibling in a safe country to claim asylum, you'd grab your kids and fucking go. Nothing the fleeing Syrians did was something any of us wouldn't have done in the same situation.

People have every right to be upset about the long term effects of mass migration over decades, and indeed every right to be flat racist and say they just don't want any brown people coming here. But let's not act stupid and pretend there are no circumstances in which we would book it out of this country before the fucking secret police came for us and our families. We all would, if we were able to.

I'm glad they will be able to go home and hope desperately that the new Syrian regime is able to rebuild from the catastrophe that has been the last decade there. I also hope that if the government here starts dropping white phosphorus on my kids' fucking schools, there is a country somewhere who will understand why I am standing in their airport with my shitty blue passport throwing myself on their collective mercy.
 
A-Logato said:
here are those doctors and engineers in action. Similar clips from London as well.
https://x.com/Tauroctonia/status/1865832671584084288
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You have a rando tweet. I have a number of years volunteering with church and other social organisations who have helped with meeting basic needs of Syrian refugees.

Posting on the internet "they shouldn't be hereeeeeee reeeeee" is not the same thing as looking into the face of a severely injured woman your own age, who lost three of her four kids in two separate bombings trying to flee her home country before her entire extended family was liquidated, and ree'ing "why did you leeeeeeave". I don't have that capacity for fucking lying. I do not have that capacity to pretend she came here "for the benefits reeee". She came here because she was running for her fucking life and she has suffered more than I hope I will ever have the misfortune to experience.

I hope if our positions were reversed someone would take me and my surviving child in and try to help me survive. As long as I hope for that, I do not have the hypocrisy to say I want my country to refuse everyone and anyone who turns up on its doorstep desperate and asking for help.

You are as ever entitled to think and act differently.
 
I worked for a few years (~2012-2018 )with a Syrian refugee that was, prior to fleeing the country, a highly skilled and placed telecoms engineer. While I got very harsh vibes from him based on the regime he had escaped from, Wayne (Wafiq) always struck me as a genuine guy trying to do the best for his family. I never really held any illusions that he would shoot me right in my fucking face if I came between him and providing for tribe, but that was never a vibe I had a real issue with. To be expected, really.
 
isalaide said:
You have a rando tweet. I have a number of years volunteering with church and other social organisations who have helped with meeting basic needs of Syrian refugees.

Posting on the internet "they shouldn't be hereeeeeee reeeeee" is not the same thing as looking into the face of a severely injured woman your own age, who lost three of her four kids in two separate bombings trying to flee her home country before her entire extended family was liquidated, and ree'ing "why did you leeeeeeave". I don't have that capacity for fucking lying. I do not have that capacity to pretend she came here "for the benefits reeee". She came here because she was running for her fucking life and she has suffered more than I hope I will ever have the misfortune to experience.

I hope if our positions were reversed someone would take me and my surviving child in and try to help me survive. As long as I hope for that, I do not have the hypocrisy to say I want my country to refuse everyone and anyone who turns up on its doorstep desperate and asking for help.

You are as ever entitled to think and act differently.
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I've had to live around a lot of Syrians for a while and I can safely say that I have little to no sympathy for them and I'll leave it at that. As well no one said they couldn't leave Syria but they choose to come here of all places and looked over so many other countries and I think we know exactly why they'd want to come here of all places.

The outward migration figures coming over the next few months will validate me.
 
6MillionCoofs said:
We would all do the same.
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Absolutely. And you can, probably should, take that as both a strong signal that we are all just humans trying to make our way through life, and also fucking apes willing to gank each other at a moment's notice. It's not personal, but at the same time the more fool you if you pretend that dynamic doesn't exist.
 
>Highly educated
>Syrian

lol, lmao even. The place is a shit hole. It's like hiring the best Lawyer in Papa New Guinea.
 
isalaide said:
You have a rando tweet. I have a number of years volunteering with church and other social organisations who have helped with meeting basic needs of Syrian refugees.
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Small Syrian diaspora in my home town. Nice polite people and really hard working. A bit of wealth behind them too. All trying hard to integrate too.

I know there’s arseholes on boats but even my old dad and is old school racist friends like the ones near us.

So can agree.
 
Instead of sperging at one another about it, why not just be happy that they're doing the right thing? It gives space to introduce the idea of voluntary repatriation into the public discourse.
 
No problem with actual refugees who are escaping death as long, as apparently stated, they return home when it is finally safe for them to do so. I understand the argument about not stopping and staying in the first safe country you get to (which many Syrians did actually do), but if I was in that situation and I had the means to, I also would try to get to a country where I felt I had the best chance or family/personal connections in already to continue my life

I await with baited breath to see how many of them actually do go back to Syria however.
 
I'll be the asshole and say I really don't care about foreigns dying. Nor would it bother me to send them back. Good on the ones that go back of their own choice; but they shouldn't be here anyway; they have no claim to come here, and I don't care if they all die. I get why they won't agree, but I also don't care about that either.
 
isalaide said:
I hope if our positions were reversed someone would take me and my surviving child in and try to help me survive. As long as I hope for that, I do not have the hypocrisy to say I want my country to refuse everyone and anyone who turns up on its doorstep desperate and asking for help.
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There is a difference between accepting women and children, and accepting the infinite hordes of adult men.

There is also, and my pet peeve, a difference of this woman and her spawn then going on to pontificate on how everything offends her and we must all change our lives to accommodate her and her children's beliefs.

I'm actually approaching the stage I would reject these people too, because the hand that gives has just been bitten one time too often and I don't want to wait twenty years for them to grow up and decide they need to murder Godless heathens.

I'm a non white migrant who has lived half a dozen places in the west and adapted to each of them in succession, but I'm fucking really done with this shit.

Wasn't it one of the Trump's who said that "I've got a big jar of sweets here and only one will kill you, would you like some?" or words to that effect?

They're right.
 
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Futaba said:
On assisted dying - the NHS accidently kills people far too often, giving them the ability to deliberately kill people is insane.

Add into the mix foreign (limited English) NHS staff and our mini dark age where science is obscured by ideology - it should be a resounding no. We are simply not in a fit state to have this law. It feels incredibly rushed as well.

Thinking about Letby - regardless of whether she did it or not, that's 17+ babies who were either deliberately or accidently killed. Either way the NHS tried to cover themselves until it got too obvious. Covering your back is something we cannot legislate for and by devaluing life it will become even more rampant.
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They also intentionally kill people using the Liverpool "Care" Pathway, where they decide a patient is due to die soon, load them up on midazolam and withdraw food and fluids. It's a known thing and has been happening for years.

They tried it with my Grandmother. Decided the End Was Nigh and tanked her up on sedatives. We got this decision overturned, bought her home and she lived another 10 years in relatively great health (minor arthritis, at the time they decided she was dying she had pneumonia but responded well to treatment once off the tranqs. She had a decent social life, would go to a luncheon club three times a week, played bridge, liked to "read" via audio books, loved Classic FM and her grandchildren and spending time with them).

The NHS already kills people they deem unworthy of continued treatment and they get it wrong, all the time, however because it's the public sector they categorically refuse to accept liability and they close ranks to ensure there's never any responsibility taken ever.
 
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The NHS already kills people they deem unworthy of continued treatment and they get it wrong, all the time, however because it's the public sector they categorically refuse to accept liability and they close ranks to ensure there's never any responsibility taken ever.
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The NHS is a scourge on the British public and I can't wait for it to collapse.
 
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