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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[EddyRooney]

This is going to be a government of the same shit the conservatives did, beating around the bush and not tackling the actual problems our society faces and implementing more and more bullshit legislation and dead cats, just wearing a red rosette instead of a blue one.

I really wish I could be that optimistic. Anyone thinking that these parties are the same except for the colours of their flags is a bit naive.
The red flag is taking us in an authoritarian direction far, far faster than any other UK government. The old expectations of Labour "just tax a bit more, but they're basically the same "of the last 30 years is over. I see a far more insidious, spiteful dogmatism with this group and I do believe that the end game of this lot is to produce a state so powerful that it will become totalitarian. As raised earlier, the only reason for the enforcement of the woke ideology isn't just to enforce equality of outcome in some ham fisted way, it is to destroy the current capitalist system.
Labour are going to make changes through the Civil Service that are going to make it very difficult for any different government to undo them. It really is a coup by stealth in effect that right now, any person who truly believes in English values should be very concerned about what is happening, but have been quelled by the draconian reaction to the rioters and anyone making a wrongthink remark publically.

 

[fakemon]

any person who truly believes in English values

What the fuck are English values? Before WWII the place was a fucking shithole for most people. Dank damp and overcrowded, made to be fucking grateful for your pay packet, safety standards reflected what some rich cunt thought was the value of your life.

In some ways, treated like field niggers, when you squint your eyes at it.

 

[teriyakiburns]

What the fuck are English values?

English values are ideals, like fair play, respect for the rule of law, and the inviolable right of the individual to be left alone. The fact that reality was shit doesn't mean the ideals weren't constantly pursued.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

This is gay as shit. I rent out my UK house from abroad. Council tax is to pay for council services, none of which I receive. Clearly it's fair for my rentards to pay that shit rather than me

I'm not commenting on the outcome or roll-out either way, I'm just saying, on the face of it, a lot of working-class voters, who labour is supposed to be helping, would see this as a big win and a big help.
If the landlords put the rent up, then I see that as an outcome labour want. "Look! these rich, greedy landlords are raising prices because they're rich, greedy tories! We best implement some form of price fixing or punishment for them".

A new Rental Income Tax?

There was a quote from him which caught my eye that he promised to keep the triple lock for working people
That kind of implies the pension triple lock is going. they keep saying working people do I’m assuming the main attack will be pensioners and all the ‘not technically a tax’ like fuel duty.
I still think they might put vat up, but I think they will raid as hard as they can for inheritance tax, pay per mile is definitely getting rolled out - the cameras for congestion charge were always going to be used for it. Fuel duty will go up as well.
Capital gains, pensions, and every side tax and duty they can are going up.

Can you be claiming a pension and working? I know ex-forces lads do semi-retirement while cashing in their pensions. Working class don't generally work and retire, because they retire at 65/67 and can't work anymore.

Ah I get it, you're talking about some of Labour's rank and file supporters.
That does apply to some of them, the Labour MPs are not communist in either behaviour or lifestyle.

Maybe I used the term commie a little bit fast and loose or in it's real form, not its ideological form. The commies at the top of the party lived lives of luxury, while stripping assets from the working and middle class and punishing all of those who were the wrong kind of rich. Lenin gutted any business and anyone with a fair few quid, unless they were his party and his friends; they could do what they wanted.

When I think of that, two-tier kier and how willingly starmer will flip-flop for political points, I think he is following the ideas of Lenin. Starmer hates the working class, he is going to decimate the middle-class and afterwards/while doing it, he will target the rich that aren't his flavour of rich. Tory donor? Whoopsie Daisy, massive tariffs for you. Opposed Labour legislation? Out of the party you go.

Then again, I'm happy to be wrong on all counts because I don't follow it that closely, I just see what the BBC post about Starmer, what effect it will have on which group of people, laugh, then go about my day.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Regional electricity boards are sending out leaflets about power cuts. I got this one in the post this morning.



Never seen anything like it before this year. I guess they know what's coming.

 

[Tony Martin's Force Ghost]

So in terms of tax I am going to be honest the outcome is very bleak. Remember this guy and his retard WEF bitch Reeves just think tax more and make line go up. Reeves makes Brown look like a servant in comparison, this stupid cunt has absolutely no clue whatsoever. I actually liked Hunt and Sunak, they understood the fine line you have to take and sadly they were the few "sane" people surrounded by mongoloids. FFS Mogg thought you could plug in a nuclear sub into the mains, he actually did...

For tax I predict this;

• Inheritance tax - 60%, this guy fucking hates generational wealth.
• Income tax; 25%, 50%, 60%
• Business rates up
• A non-dom tax
• Corporation tax 30%
• Council tax, threshold of inflation lifted and free reign.
• Remember rent rates on social and most likely private are lifted too
• A new poll-tax on top of council ta, remember retard Rachel has been found in the past to call numbers as if x amount pays it.

This guy is just leaning into being hated now and thinks it is his duty to guide the UK (off a cliff)

Another thing to note Starmer is trying to change how parties elect new leaders now by having only MPs and not members elect the new leader. Wow, I wonder what this could mean.

There is a bright side to this though;

1. He operates a government less popular than Thatcher and just above Truss'. He is trying to centralize power and operations very fast and it is incredibly transparent.
2. They always eat their own, the problem with Starmer is he a doing what the Tories did but worse to his own party. Blair and Brown nearly destroyed Labour but Starmer will 100% kill them. There is always someone to jump in and try to save the party. I am more likely to think Rayner and she will lead back benchers. The problem with Starmer is all his sycophants are at the front of the party. The further out you go the more they dislike him. I cannot say anything because of the person I know who works in Westminster but I will say from them "he is not popular". It's what has held my optimism to be honest.
3. Starmer's plan is ultimately doomed. The problem with his plan is he wishes to centralize everything including the Police and basically turn them into a gestapo. The issue with this working in the popular for people is viewed as social suicide but also its a body that will collapse in a matter of years. The police cannot afford to hire currently but also are so inexperienced and understaffed, you in turn have no way to exercise control making you a paper tiger. If Starmer came in 40 years ago he would be grinning ear to ear but in a way the Tories cucked him by giving him a ravaged police system.

It will get bad yes, the shit thing is the economy was steadying and Sunak was a mong for calling the election this early. Imagine being the 6th richest country and having power cuts, wild. I did get a message from British Gas too, I think they sent an email too.

 

[Dude Snakes]

I posted this in the Summer of Discontent thread as part of the general fuel for the fire that is going to lead to more protests, but on reflection may be better here as a general State of the Country post. This was Friday night / Sat morning Birmingham.

Spoiler: stabbing, blood, not nice

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https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/police-appeal-after-four-arrested-29804035

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The sheer inhumanity of this is shocking. These people are not part of society as I recognize it. And communities are not allowed to fight back.

Yeah I saw this too. That's a father being murdered in cold blood for the crime of being white. The UK has fallen. This is coming to Canada. What the fuck does one do when the state allows this violence to go unpunished?

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

Regional electricity boards are sending out leaflets about power cuts. I got this one in the post this morning.

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Never seen anything like it before this year. I guess they know what's coming.

We had power cuts in the 90s so often that we had a draw with candles, a lighter a torch and some D batteries (remember them!?), they warned of them during COVID and I think it's a bit of a nothing-burger.
Imagine the civil unrest caused if the autistic always-online kiddies lost access to the internet for 24 hours?

If there are power cuts, it will probably be rolling brown-outs to reduce carbon emissions, which may point to a carbon tax increase.

 

[Overly Serious]

If I had to guess one thing that's nailed-on, I'd say the reintroduction of the 50p income tax rate. They only promised not to increase income tax "for working people", whatever that means.

This is going back quite a few years but a survey of British voters on introducing a 50p tax even if it didn't result in greater income is instructive:


@Morethanabitfoolish said that the Communist types (forgive me, don't have the post to hand) wanted to be the rich. Perhaps. But for many of the rank and file, what they most want is for the rich to be poor.

 

[teriyakiburns]

We had power cuts in the 90s so often that we had a draw with candles, a lighter a torch and some D batteries (remember them!?)

The 80s, too, but they were caused by freak incidents rather than fundamental structural issues. There was never any leafleting about it that I recall.

The shift to "renewables" is fucking over the grid. Renewables don't provide reliable baseload and aren't dispatchable, so they have to be compensated for by ramping other supplies up and down, which only works if you have enough spare generation capacity. We don't. Baseload plants have been shutting down for the last 20 years without replacements. The only thing keeping the grid stable is the use of gas peakers that were never intended to constantly run up and down at such short intervals (they were designed to respond to occasional demand spikes while providing some baseload, but they're currently cycling up to peak output and down multiple times a day, which is causing them to wear out far faster than expected). If a couple of those offline in succession, the entire grid collapses.

It feels like we're being prepped to accept rolling blackouts as a regular thing. They started talking it up even before covid, so using that as part of the nudge doesn't surprise me. The difference between then and now is that two more coal plants have closed and Drax is reducing its output. The industry has been quietly shitting itself about this for the last decade or more, seeing the cliff rapidly approaching, but unable to really fix it because no new stable generation sources are being built. Just wind and solar.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

The 80s, too, but they were caused by freak incidents rather than fundamental structural issues. There was never any leafleting about it that I recall.

It was caused by the a good chunk of the country nipping to pop the kettle on during the advert breaks on Corrie. A very British fact.

The shift to "renewables" is fucking over the grid. Renewables don't provide reliable baseload and aren't dispatchable, so they have to be compensated for by ramping other supplies up and down, which only works if you have enough spare generation capacity. We don't. Baseload plants have been shutting down for the last 20 years without replacements. The only thing keeping the grid stable is the use of gas peakers that were never intended to constantly run up and down at such short intervals (they were designed to respond to occasional demand spikes while providing some baseload, but they're currently cycling up to peak output and down multiple times a day, which is causing them to wear out far faster than expected). If a couple of those offline in succession, the entire grid collapses.

Wind could have been a saviour for us, with solar being completely useless in a country that only sees the bleeding sun 1 month of the year, but the WEF (Sunak) refused to bring Wind turbines on-shore, where most of the wind is and maintenance is easier. Combine that with wind giving us the ability to vastly reduce the energy bills and we can't be having that.
Rolling brown-outs and black-outs would occur in the event you described and I agree that this will be the likely scenario of what's happening.

It feels like we're being prepped to accept rolling blackouts as a regular thing. They started talking it up even before covid, so using that as part of the nudge doesn't surprise me. The difference between then and now is that two more coal plants have closed and Drax is reducing its output. The industry has been quietly shitting itself about this for the last decade or more, seeing the cliff rapidly approaching, but unable to really fix it because no new stable generation sources are being built. Just wind and solar.

I agree we're being prepped for it, but I'm a lot more jaded, paranoid and retarded than you are, so I believe the blackouts will be the responsibility of the ISP's - consider how much electricy would be saved if the internet was turned off vs the grid itself; Consoles, PC's and TV's would be rendered mostly useless to the majority of the population, with the added bonus of having IPS blackouts during civil unrests, riots or stab-enjoyer rampages.

Eggborough and Ferrybridge shut down a while back and the last I heard (10 years ago), Drax's scaling back was put on hold and Ferrybridge was getting recommissioned to fire back up, because of the demand for power. If they've knocked that on the head then it's almost as retarded as the idea to not mine the coal from 10 mile down the road and instead ship it to the UK from China on a boat.

 

[EddyRooney]

the Communist types (forgive me, don't have the post to hand) wanted to be the rich. Perhaps. But for many of the rank and file, what they most want is for the rich to be poor.

Surely you can't be implying that the majority of socialists are motivated by their own petty jealousy....I can't believe that for a second. You must mean that they don't believe in the Laffer Curve, they must think it's voodoo economics ( if you know, you know ).

 

[Overly Serious]

Surely you can't be implying that the majority of socialists are motivated by their own petty jealousy....

You might think that. I couldn't possibly comment.

consider how much electricy would be saved if the internet was turned off vs the grid itself;

But without access to Facebook and Twitter, British police would have nothing to arrest people over.

 

[Apustajan apustaja]

Surely you can't be implying that the majority of socialists are motivated by their own petty jealousy....I can't believe that for a second. You must mean that they don't believe in the Laffer Curve, they must think it's voodoo economics ( if you know, you know ).

https://youtu.be/X_wHBlouFSc

I think it is not only socialists that are driven by jealousy. I am insanely jealous of my neighbour who is ideologically unemployed, and makes 200€ less than I do working my shitty job. I want all benefits cut, mostly out of jealousy.

 

[Titted Biscuits]

He ruled out VAT, Income tax

No income tax, no V.A.T.
No money back, no guarantee

 

[Otterly]

so I believe the blackouts will be the responsibility of the ISP's - consider how much electricy would be saved if the internet was turned off vs the grid itself; Consoles, PC's and TV's would be rendered mostly useless to the majority of the population, with the added bonus of having IPS blackouts during civil unrests, riots or stab-enjoyer rampages.

The blackouts will be done via smart meters probably at postcode level . It will be you only get power during these times, or it’ll be specific appliances banned during specific hours. If you don’t have a smart meter yet dont let the fuckers install one.
Fuel duty is going up, inheritance tax is and they will try to put council tax up too.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

But without access to Facebook and Twitter, British police would have nothing to arrest people over.

Riot ends. People share pictures they took on their phones when the internet was down, all of those people are arrested. Stay inside, local lockdown orders during civil unrest, don't notice citizen, or else.

A cynical person could be forgiven for thinking that internet lockdowns during riots forces more people on the streets so that the police have more political opponents to arrest. No commie party has had low arrest figures. Coincidence?

The blackouts will be done via smart meters probably at postcode level . It will be you only get power during these times, or it’ll be specific appliances banned during specific hours. If you don’t have a smart meter yet dont let the fuckers install one.
Fuel duty is going up, inheritance tax is and they will try to put council tax up too.

Imagine having a smart meter. I remember being laughed at and looked down upon because I couldn't access my smart meter at work and turn the radiators on so the house was warm when I got back.
"If you can access your smart meter, they can, and they will and they'll turn it off on you"
"Bog, you're a fucking retard, stop being a peasant and upgrade, it's free! get with the times (2016)".

Smart meter tariffs have been more expensive than their dumb-meter equivalents since COVID. They're recouping the money from the 'free' installations.

You're bang on the money that they will bring blackouts using smart meters. I'll be sat nice and toasty while my neighbours sit in the dark and freeze.

 

[Coolio55]

I very much doubt there'll be blackouts. Why on earth would they allow the 24/7 propaganda boxes to shut off?
Just think of all the things that couldn't have happened without constant internet and TV. No troonism. No saint george. Actual moments of self-reflection.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Smart meter tariffs have been more expensive than their dumb-meter equivalents since COVID.

It's the same with water meters. Apart from a short period after they were first introduced, they've always been more expensive. I didn't have any smart meters at my last place, but they were already installed here when I moved in. I've got a generator, but that relies on having access to safely stored fuel, which is a bit of an ask even with preservatives.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

It's the same with water meters. Apart from a short period after they were first introduced, they've always been more expensive. I didn't have any smart meters at my last place, but they were already installed here when I moved in. I've got a generator, but that relies on having access to safely stored fuel, which is a bit of an ask even with preservatives.

I was lucky, I bought my house from an 'ex' smackhead who wanted the cash. He had prepaid meters installed because of his delinquency. The leckie company pestered me to put a smart meter in, but said they couldn't until I agreed to a normal meter, monitored for six-months, to make sure I was going to pay the bills, as the previous owner ran up a bill before leaving.
I left it as a prepaid meter so they couldn't force an upgrade, which they did to a few houses nearby. Worked out much cheaper and the only inconvenience was nipping to the shop once a month.