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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[FedPostalService]

He ruled out VAT, Income tax and NI. Assuming he isn't a liar, would that mean road tax, council tax, pasty-tax, sugar tax and plastic tax will go up?

Inheritance tax is suicidal as all the Labour cattle boomers who live for five years wouldn’t vote for him if he’s stealing what is being left for their grandchildren. If he goes for the top end there will just be massive capital flight.

I can see him going after landlords to makes retards on Twitter happy and those same retards won’t put two and two together to suss out why their rent is going up.

Council tax would fuck everyone who works for a living. He’ll turn it into a neo-poll tax.

Corporation tax will just drive what little industry we have left abroad and make it more attractive for large firms to bigger off out of the UK. They’re stupid enough for that.

The economy will die a death of a thousand cuts.

It’s went from Labour needing a new Blair to Britain needing a new Thatcher in less than three months.

 

[teriyakiburns]

I wouldn't be surprised if this is true nationwide if I'm honest with you.

This has been true since the 80s. In a sense it's always been this way; enlisted get thrown into whatever sheds and hovels are available, while officers above the rank of lieutenant colonel swan about in veritable palaces.

He ruled out VAT, Income tax and NI. Assuming he isn't a liar, would that mean road tax, council tax, pasty-tax, sugar tax and plastic tax will go up?

Don't forget all the new taxes he wants. Pay-per-mile is back on the agenda, as well as new energy taxes, new business taxes, and EVs will be getting standard vehicle excise duty instead of the zero-rate they currently get. He'll probably also invent a new progressive alcohol tax, like the one they have in scotland, because they love taxing everything that makes life bearable.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

Pay-per-mile would be horrifying. Everything else would be funny to see the aftermath. Maybe we will get a vape tax?

Odd-on for a recession by Xmas?

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

Dumb headline. Proposals put forward by an NGO, not the Government.

It is click bait but I give them credit for saying it's a proposal.

Assuming he isn't a liar

He is, at best you are assuming he isn't lying this time. I'd want a damn good reason to do so.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

He is, at best you are assuming he isn't lying this time. I'd want a damn good reason to do so.

Is he retarded enough to bald-face lie about something so sensitive while simultaneously throwing a political rival under the bus?

Edit: and he's a commie. He hates the working class, but he hates the rich more.

 

[Billy Hargrove]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyn01p5npgo

Autumn Budget will be painful, warns Starmer

 

[Rusty Metal Skull Gun]

Pay-per-mile is back on the agenda

This seems to get mentioned by journalists every six months or so, but I would be shocked if even Labour would be stupid enough to do this. The anti-road pricing petition in 2007 had, I think, the largest number of signatures since the Chartists. The backlash would make the poll tax riots look tame.

If I had to guess one thing that's nailed-on, I'd say the reintroduction of the 50p income tax rate. They only promised not to increase income tax "for working people", whatever that means.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

Is he retarded enough to bald-face lie about something so sensitive while simultaneously throwing a political rival under the bus?

Edit: and he's a commie. He hates the working class, but he hates the rich more.

Yes, and to your edit Sir Kier is not a commie. His contempt is predominately targeted at people making 6 figures or less for their whiney complaints about wanting to afford to support their families, have a degree of financial security after working and saving all their lives and their desires to not be subject to casual criminality.

He will occasionally pretend to case about the workers, hence why he is in the Labour party. But he hates them as do the majority of Labour politicians these days.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

Yes, and to your edit Sir Kier is not a commie. His contempt is predominately targeted at people making 6 figures or less for their whiney complaints about wanting to afford to support their families, have a degree of financial security after working and saving all their lives and their desires to not be subject to casual criminality.

He will occasionally pretend to case about the workers, hence why he is in the Labour party. But he hates them as do the majority of Labour politicians these days.

Maybe. I see him and the labour party pandering to the working class to get the vote, but they hold them in contempt. Nu-Labour hate the rich because they have power over them and the middle-class were the ones who were getting screwed next but that snowball started a while back and picked up speed in 2020, imo.

I agree about the middle-class will be taxed into poverty this election cycle. You will own nothing and be happy can't happen unless you want to trade everything for happiness.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

I see him and the labour party pandering to the working class to get the vote, but they hold them in contempt. Nu-Labour hate the rich because they have power over them and the middle-class were the ones who were getting screwed next but that snowball started a while back and picked up speed in 2020, imo.

I agree about the middle-class will be taxed into poverty this election cycle. You will own nothing and be happy can't happen unless you want to trade everything for happiness.

They don't hate the rich. They want to be the rich, if they are not already which most are, and they would drag the entire UK in something more like China if they thought that it would benefit them long term. We're literally at the stage where all the media, even those Labour leaning, are admitting that some of Labour's donors are dictating positions within the government. Not that this is different from the Tories but it's seemingly even more excessive and rapid than usual.

One of Stamer's donors provided £16,200 for his clothing alone. Which admittedly is incredibly like the excesses of leaders in many communist countries but it does show the degree to which they fail to be in touch with the rest of the country.

Oh aye, it's unquestionably about grinding down people's earnings to put them into a position of eternal debt rather than having any chance to work their way up. Got to destroy hope properly to keep the serfs from having ideas above their station. Eat your bare basic bread and pay by the month for your circuses peons. We've also redefined "happy" to be "not stabbed this week."

 

[Coolio55]

We've also redefined "happy" to be "not stabbed this week."

More like "Dutifully bleeding for the brown and big nosed paedophiles".

 

[EddyRooney]

This seems to get mentioned by journalists every six months or so, but I would be shocked if even Labour would be stupid enough to do this. The anti-road pricing petition in 2007 had, I think, the largest number of signatures since the Chartists. The backlash would make the poll tax riots look tame.

I think this is going to be introduced in London first, by our friend, Sneaky Little Shit Sadiq. All the cameras are already in place to track vehicles thanks to the congestion charge, it only needs a switch to be flipped for implementation. Rolled out to the rest of the country at a later date.

If I had to guess one thing that's nailed-on, I'd say the reintroduction of the 50p income tax rate. They only promised not to increase income tax "for working people", whatever that means.

Working people whilst obviously subjective, was kept ambiguous for as long as possible, so as not to impact the election. When pressed I think the closest TTK or Thieves got to a definition was something woolly about -

"People who earn their living, rely on our [public] services and don't really have the ability to write a cheque when they get into trouble."

Ms Reeves was asked to clarify that position, telling Sky News' Breakfast with Kay Burley on Wednesday: "Working people are people who go out to work and work for their incomes.

"Sort of by definition, really, working people are those people who go out and work and earn their money through hard work."

Hard work ? Subjective. So hard work is coal mining or working on a production line ( something that could well involve minimal skill ) but possibly isn't working in an office even if the qualifications for such a career require thousands of hours of study. All I can say is if that is the case I very much hope that work as a Member of Parliament doesn't qualify either. As with every socilaist cause it seems to be who can play the biggest victim card can claim the special treatment.

 

[Futaba]

Tax predictions:

- Inheritance tax bumped to 50%
- higher earner pensions contributions relief cut from 40 to 20%
- higher earners income tax raised to Scotland levels
- VAT on school fees starts right now actually
- council tax scrapped, land tax introduced (wildcard)


Would be really funny if they were extremely literal with their working people definition and absolutely knee capped benefits but i don't think they have it in them

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

They don't hate the rich. They want to be the rich

I always understood it as they hate the rich because they want to be rich, but the current rich have the money and power stopping [the commies] from obtaining ultimate richitude. Unlike the right wing, who will happily build a trough big enough for the pigs to feed at, the left are jealous and bitter and want to be the only ones feasting on the slop.

- council tax scrapped, land tax introduced (wildcard)

That would be something. When you rent, you have to pay council tax, same as when you own a home. If the landtax comes in, then the landlord pays for the rentees council tax, in effect. YMMV but council tax is about £120/month even with SPL discount.

That would be a popular move for a lot of people. Minimum wagies would save ~10% of their wage.

 

[Rusty Metal Skull Gun]

That would be a popular move for a lot of people. Minimum wagies would save ~10% of their wage.

No they wouldn't, as landlords would put up rents to accommodate the new fee.

"People who earn their living, rely on our [public] services and don't really have the ability to write a cheque when they get into trouble."

I wouldn't do too much Kremlinology, as it was vague enough that they could decide what it really meant later.

I'm sceptical that they'd increase inheritance tax, as the people it'd most affect are the North London luvvies who are now the party's core vote.

 

[Clem Fandango]

That would be something. When you rent, you have to pay council tax, same as when you own a home. If the landtax comes in, then the landlord pays for the rentees council tax, in effect. YMMV but council tax is about £120/month even with SPL discount.

That would be a popular move for a lot of people. Minimum wagies would save ~10% of their wage.

This is gay as shit. I rent out my UK house from abroad. Council tax is to pay for council services, none of which I receive. Clearly it's fair for my rentards to pay that shit rather than me.

If they bring that in, I'm raising the rent to take it into account. Make that illegal, and I'll have to sell up, and that's one less rental property on the market. Doesn't take a genius to see what happens to the rental market when that happens en mass.

 

[FedPostalService]

- council tax scrapped, land tax introduced (wildcard

They’ve been floating the idea of a local income tax for a while.

 

[Otterly]

He ruled out VAT, Income tax and NI. Assuming he isn't a liar, would that mean road tax, council tax, pasty-tax, sugar tax and plastic tax will go up?

There was a quote from him which caught my eye that he promised to keep the triple lock for working people
That kind of implies the pension triple lock is going. they keep saying working people do I’m assuming the main attack will be pensioners and all the ‘not technically a tax’ like fuel duty.
I still think they might put vat up, but I think they will raid as hard as they can for inheritance tax, pay per mile is definitely getting rolled out - the cameras for congestion charge were always going to be used for it. Fuel duty will go up as well.
Capital gains, pensions, and every side tax and duty they can are going up.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

I always understood it as they hate the rich because they want to be rich, but the current rich have the money and power stopping [the commies] from obtaining ultimate richitude

Ah I get it, you're talking about some of Labour's rank and file supporters.
That does apply to some of them, the Labour MPs are not communist in either behaviour or lifestyle. Indeed current Labour has embraced many of what used to be capitalist ideals a few decades ago.

they keep saying working people

It's more identity politics. When it comes in and affects loads of people they want those unaffected thinking "why are those rich gits complaining, I was unaffected so I'm working class and they aren't."

The amount of people this works on makes me want to say unkind things.

 

[missnaptime]

Ah I get it, you're talking about some of Labour's rank and file supporters.
That does apply to some of them, the Labour MPs are not communist in either behaviour or lifestyle. Indeed current Labour has embraced many of what used to be capitalist ideals a few decades ago.


It's more identity politics. When it comes in and affects loads of people they want those unaffected thinking "why are those rich gits complaining, I was unaffected so I'm working class and they aren't."

The amount of people this works on makes me want to say unkind things.

You're absolutely right.

Post thatcher, they completely pivoted to 'new labour', they started embracing more and more right wing policy and less and less left wing policy to make up a consistent voter base that was disenfranchised with the Tories but still fiscally and socially conservative/centrist. Palatability. Because more voters, more electability, more coins.

Very, very few labour MP's actually are socialist or believe in socialised policy. And the ones that do, a la Corbyn, get nuked out of the party. A lot of labour party members (not MP's) have actually resigned because of this, seeing it as a complete divorce from the politics that they conscribe to. A lot of people feel massively disenfranchised in the soft left, myself included. It's fucked.

Kier Starmer is a greasy wet wipe fucktard who doesn't know his arsehole from his mouth. This is going to be a government of the same shit the conservatives did, beating around the bush and not tackling the actual problems our society faces and implementing more and more bullshit legislation and dead cats, just wearing a red rosette instead of a blue one.

Its depressing if nothing else. You'd think we'd pull a french and demand better from the people we pay for but it seems like the public are just in an apathetic comatose of placid acceptance. We just accept the shit handed to us and do nothing about it. Something's gotta give eventually, I guess.