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A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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#VEGANsausageroll thanks Greggs

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

But I blame the only group of people who are bigger scum than politicians (besides maybe estate agents): journalists.

Unquestionable

So someone like Rayner who gets caught out can't just go "lol I was making a joke, you know Boris is a randy bugger" because despite politics being reduced to a clown show, if she said something like that then suddenly it'd be treated super seriously. When she did it. But when Boris made off colour remark after off colour remark, that was just Boris being Boris. So she used the weapons she had available, i.e. calling it misogyny.

And here's where we disagree. Because she said it. Going "oh it's such awful misogyny" when it's her own words, acting like she is being attacked by people repeating what she said is bullshit. Rather than own what she said she pretended it was those nasty mean Tories and when caught took no ownership of lying like that.

It's not that she made a crude remark that's the issue. I don't care about that. The issue is when that made the news she pretended she was a victim and that others had made the comments when she knew it was her own words. She lied, cried crocodile tears about being targeted because she was a woman and when the truth came out took that attitude that her being the original source of those remarks still meant others should be blamed for her making them and lying about who said it.

Am I misremembering or are you also the poster who said they voted for Sadiq in London? If so your defence of Angela makes a lot of sense.

 

[AssignedEva]

The issue is when that made the news she pretended she was a victim and that others had made the comments when she knew it was her own words. She lied

The other side does it all the time. "When they go low, we go high" doesn't work in this media climate. If the Tories get away with worse sleaze continually but the media is going to pillory you for making a joke about flashing you legs? Play the media off against themselves, claim misogyny. It's the current media-politics symbiosis that made it this way, and you can probably link it all the way back to Murdoch. New Labour happened because it was the only way that Labour would ever get in again, thanks to Murdoch controlled media looking for a fresh face after Thatcher left - if Blair hadn't been such a PR puff piece, then it would have still been The Sun Wot Won It.

Am I misremembering or are you also the poster who said they voted for Sadiq in London? If so your defence of Angela makes a lot of sense.

You're correct. If there was a rerun of the mayoral elections I'd do it again, there were no strong candidates but he was the least bad option.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

The other side does it all the time. "When they go low, we go high" doesn't work in this media climate. If the Tories get away with worse sleaze continually but the media is going to pillory you for making a joke about flashing you legs?

The "other side" do do it all the time, both major political parties use near identical tactics. Your claim is that only the other side do it all the time as though Angela is the first one to do so from Labour is astounding. Or perhaps you also missed the "Risihi is pro-rapist" shit Labour pulled, for something recent and hilarious?

Neither Conservatives or Labour deserve any defence but you are claiming it's one sided from the Tories only. Which either suggests you believe every article the Guardian and Independent publish or you are deliberately ignoring Labour's nonsense.

Play the media off against themselves, claim misogyny.

Lie and act like a victim when you are not, blame men. Christ, are you trying to act like an A&N parody of a woman?

You're correct. If there was a rerun of the mayoral elections I'd do it again, there were no strong candidates but he was the least bad option.

Thanks for confirming. Thought it was you but wasn't certain. You did use the Independent as a trustworthy source when it was on a topic of one of their biases, I remember now.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

I know this but why? If you're in charge of a country, earning millions a year fucking around at office parties and diddling little boys. Why would you ever intentionally bring in a replacement population you know can't keep the party going?

You can not use the mentality of a logical person in this consideration.
Time and time again we see that the longer an iteration of a nation-state lives on, the more retarded their leadership becomes. I think it has to do with becoming stratified enough they become so disconnected with the reality of the situation, while increasingly becoming incapable of solving new issues.
There are two reasons a country falls, internal and external conflict. Since any proper external conflict in which the UK looses ends up with most of Europe (or the world) getting glassed, then you are left with internal conflict (This includes letting in moderate headchoppers who are incompatible with local values in as immigrants).

Woo, Kiwi Farms space program here we come!

The Roskomnadzor would like to inform you, due to your ongoing infraction with the image with the text "Ho ho holohoax", the VKS has order to terminate your satellite (Callsign: SNEED) unless geo-specific access to your site within the Russian Federation is terminated.

 

[3deadniggers]

Blair is the single biggest reason this country is the shithole that it is,

I'm not going to defend Blair but he's not the foundation for our problems. They predate him by 20 years. Mass immigration and a police state against wrong think were already happening but our history is intentionally hidden from us so Blair looks like the catalyst.

 

[AssignedEva]

Or perhaps you also missed the "Risihi is pro-rapist" shit Labour pulled, for something recent and hilarious?

That obviously came after "Keir Starmer protected Jimmy Saville" from Boris, followed by various manufactured claims that have repeatedly been debunked from Rishi, and is part of the wider campaign at the time:

It's gutter politics and I don't like it, but I recognise that if one side is going to get away with gutter politics thanks to the client media, then the other side is going to need to consider attempting it.

Lie and act like a victim when you are not, blame men. Christ, are you trying to act like an A&N parody of a woman?

Literally "lie and act like a victim" is the modus operandi of the modern Conservative politician - my point is if you're dealing with a group of people who disregard the Ministerial code and will say contradictory statements to the camera while journalists fail to hold them to any account (because Boris worked out the cheat code "you should resign if you breach public standards, but if you just refuse they can't make you and then you've just weakened public standards"), you're going to have to start using dirty tricks too.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

It's gutter politics and I don't like it, but I recognise that if one side is going to get away with gutter politics thanks to the client media, then the other side is going to need to consider attempting it.

What client media? BBC, Metro, Guardian, Independent and a long list of others are horrifically biased towards them and against the Tories, justifiably in some cases but shamelessly showing their backsides in others. Daily Flail and Torygraph of course go the other way but pretending the entire media ecosystem in the UK is supportive of the Conservatives and Labour are the heroic resistance surging back is delusional.

Labour are not some poor victims with no support fighting back after years of being put upon. They have been getting away with as much gutter politics as the Conservatives, if not slightly more due to the advantage of having more support in the BBC and not being the party in power, the latter of which should be the case, those currently running the country should be held to a higher standard. They have as many scandals, as much backing from sources many of whom switched their backing from the Tories as soon as they realised an election would be soon and care as much about the electorate as any of the Tories.

Literally "lie and act like a victim" is the modus operandi of the modern Conservative politician - my point is if you're dealing with a group of people who disregard the Ministerial code and will say contradictory statements to the camera while journalists fail to hold them to any account (because Boris worked out the cheat code "you should resign if you breach public standards, but if you just refuse they can't make you and then you've just weakened public standards"), you're going to have to start using dirty tricks too.

It's not just the Tories and Labour have not just started using dirty tricks. By your logic about people who disregard the ministerial code, lie to the camera and fail to be held to account by journalists justifying any tactics against them then that be used to apply to the Tories against Labour too.

Your point is entirely reliant on Labour being some blameless angels who after years of the nasty mean Tories pushing their faces in the mud have finally dared to fight back. As opposed to both groups being the exact same squealing pigs splashing the mud everywhere.

Also here is where you started with Angela

I quite rate Rayner, she's gobby and working class and she worked as a carer. She feels like a refreshingly real person to me, and she describes herself as a socialist.

Here is where you finished three hours later.

Play the media off against themselves, claim misogyny

You claim she's refreshingly real then defend her pretending to be a victim as a result of remarks she made. She's fake as they come and you are apparently comfortable with that because you consider it acceptable that the party you seem to support pursue the path of deliberately lying to divide people. That's fine, everyone is entitled to that opinion. But Angela is one more politician looking to pit voters against one another and thinking differently is going to disappoint you long term.

 

[FedPostalService]

Angela Rayner is fucking retarded and if you can’t see that you shouldn’t be allowed to vote.

 

[AssignedEva]

What client media? BBC, Metro, Guardian, Independent and a long list of others are horrifically biased towards them and against the Tories, justifiably in some cases but shamelessly showing their backsides in others. Daily Flail and Torygraph of course go the other way but pretending the entire media ecosystem in the UK is supportive of the Conservatives and Labour are the heroic resistance surging back is delusional.

The BBC has a very well established right wing bias, because they've been under the cosh from the Tories and became anxious about criticising the government. This is obvious from watching any of their political programs. Question Time's audience producer, Alison Fuller Pedley, is a far right nut and her influence is plain to see with the audience selection, which in turn has knock on impacts where the panels are disproportionately stacked with right wing voices as analysis recently demonstrated - as a form of consensus-making.
You've got The Sun, The Times, The Telegraph, The Daily Mail, The Express and the Evening Standard as right wing rags (the Mail even has Boris Johnson back writing for it).

Your point is entirely reliant on Labour being some blameless angels who after years of the nasty mean Tories pushing their faces in the mud have finally dared to fight back. As opposed to both groups being the exact same squealing pigs splashing the mud everywhere.

No, I don't think they're blameless angels. My point is that never in my lifetime do I remember seeing politicians show such contempt for parliamentary standards, the standards of public office, the electorate, the country, anything - as I've seen since Boris Johnson because Prime Minister in 2019. In fact the very first thing he did after calling the election and winning his majority was to overrule the sovereignty of Parliament by unlawfully proroguing it so he could force his legislation through with no scrutiny, all while chortling and quoting Latin and acting like a Beano character. And it's incredibly been downhill from there.
So we're in uncharted territory here. Acting like politicians from a more sensible era of politics is playing with one hand tied behind your back, while the other side mugs for the audience. the press backs them up and half the electorate votes based on who they think the funnyman is. The only difference now is the Tories shat the bed so much that the press can't run interference anymore and Rishi is uniquely unlikable, but you can still see the difference in how e.g. Kay Burleigh subjected Keir Starmer to such grilling and scrutiny and tried to interrupt him every 5 seconds, while she took a much softer approach with Rishi.

Also here is where you started with Angela
Here is where you finished three hours later.

You're framing this like these are contradictory positions to hold. They're not.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

The BBC has a very well established right wing bias

That and the Angela attitude confirm trolling or a level of conviction in your position so astounding it's impressive.

Appreciate you expressing your views. I disagree hugely with most of them but that's the nature of things.

 

[Spunt]

That obviously came after "Keir Starmer protected Jimmy Saville" from Boris, followed by various manufactured claims that have repeatedly been debunked from Rishi, and is part of the wider campaign at the time:
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It's gutter politics and I don't like it, but I recognise that if one side is going to get away with gutter politics thanks to the client media, then the other side is going to need to consider attempting it.

That third one is particularly funny. Leaving aside the sheer gall of Labour trying to say the Tories are soft on crime after they turned importing it into the national sport, the data about pedos not going to jail came from a change in sentencing guidelines in 2010, a time when Rishi Sunak wasn't even an MP. And more importantly, sentencing guidelines aren't set by the PM, they're set by the Director of Public Prosecutions. Who was the Director of Public Prosecutions in 2010? Keir Starmer. Oops.

Also, if you vote for Sadiq Khan you are either certifiably insane or a bugman. This is a man who extended the ULEZ to outer London despite 80% of affected residents voting against it. When challenged, he said "That's not what strong leaders do." The man is absolutely drunk with power and sees himself more as a medieval king than a politician, and the peons had better submit if they know what's good for them. He's a WEF stooge who rules by decree, and the fact that people actually vote for this makes me far less sympathetic towards how much of a shithole that place is than I otherwise would be. I do have the horrible feeling that his regime in London is a test-run for how Keir Starmer is going to run the country.

 

[AssignedEva]

That and the Angela attitude confirm trolling or a level of conviction in your position so astounding it's impressive.

Appreciate you expressing your views. I disagree hugely with most of them but that's the nature of things.

The main thing we can all agree on is journalists are scum.

 

[Otterly]

Rayner is an idiot. Someone actually tried to argue to me that Labour were in touch because ‘some of their advisors had free school meals!’ As if this puts them in some kind of untouchable ‘filthy token poors ’ category.

I can’t think of any Labour MPs at the moment who are even halfway sane. Maybe Rosie Duffield who is trying to hold the line against the Troon menace but that’s about it. Very few decent ones in the other side either.
The two party system is utter cancer. We really need some credible third and fourth parties to allow the electorate to signal for more extreme positions in some things.
I’ve just noticed there’s a reform candidate in my ward. I reckon Labour will get in again, but I’ll consider either reform, Tory or independent depending on where the vote will be most strategic. May gently troll the exit poll clipboard wonks as well

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

The main thing we can all agree on is journalists are scum.

And politicians. They're self-sustaining at this point alas.

 

[FedPostalService]

The BBC has a very well established right wing bias, because they've been under the cosh from the Tories and became anxious about criticising the government.

Are you fucking retarded? Are you watching a stream of the BBC from 60 years ago? Do you know “right wing” doesn’t mean “people I don’t like”?

Sometime when I read people on here I’m convinced the dimensional merge is real and already happening.

 

[East_Clintwood]

I can’t think of any Labour MPs at the moment who are even halfway sane

Graham Stringer is pretty based. Eurosceptic, led Labour Leave during the referendum, one of the handful of Labour MPs to vote against staying in the EU customs union and only Labour MP to vote against expanding coof lockdowns in the North West.

 

[AssignedEva]

Are you fucking retarded? Are you watching a stream of the BBC from 60 years ago? Do you know “right wing” doesn’t mean “people I don’t like”?

Sometime when I read people on here I’m convinced the dimensional merge is real and already happening.

I actually do wonder if you're watching a different BBC to me. Their political reporting protocols mean they go out of their way to show "impartiality" to an extent that if one person says the sky is blue, they'll try and find someone to argue that the sky isn't blue, and then interrupt the person saying the sky is blue.
This is obviously entirely separate to their entertainment offer which is overwhelmingly left wing to far left wing.

 

[Overly Serious]

I actually do wonder if you're watching a different BBC to me. Their political reporting protocols mean they go out of their way to show "impartiality" to an extent that if one person says the sky is blue, they'll try and find someone to argue that the sky isn't blue, and then interrupt the person saying the sky is blue.
This is obviously entirely separate to their entertainment offer which is overwhelmingly left wing to far left wing.

But this is also the same organisation that specifically excluded White people from applying for a job. And it wasn't some acting role where you might legitimately want people who look a certain way, It was a trainee journalist position.


Someone made a browser plug-in which swapped the words white and black on a web-page. Instantly the BBC website became filled with articles with such titles as "Is Blackness a problem?" "How do we tackle Blackness?" and my personal favourite: "What's wrong with Black people?"

I actually appreciate and agree with quite a lot of what you are saying but from the sidelines on this conversation so far it feels a little like the conversation is taking place at two levels. One group saying the game is rigged and you saying "but X is better than Y". It's not that your arguments for X being better than Y aren't supportable. And it's not like I personally entirely reject the principle of being pragmatic and going for the least bad option. But you're smart, you know the game is rigged. When you say things like you vote for Sadiq Khan because he's not as bad as _______ (which I'd actually dispute personally but that's besides the point I'm making), people respond by saying the game itself has to change. Like, if there are no good candidates, we should actively get more involved ourselves. We being destroyed over and over by a carefully managed game of present two things we don't want, one of which is slightly less bad than the other.

 

[3deadniggers]

The BBC has a very well established right wing bias, because they've been under the cosh from the Tories and became anxious about criticising the government.

I genuinely hate lefties for this opinion because it's so incredibly stupid. The BBC is heavily progressive and it will do put up sock puppets to pretend it's unbias. They've been putting trannies in soap operas for 10 years now and they always push multiracial stuff and all the other modern things progressives do. They represent the right wing like this.

Left wing says "Trans rights are human rights and they're hecking valid!"
Murder happens by a tranny
BBC says Aura Coben killed 3 men today in an unprovoked attack outside of Asda. She beat them to death with an axe handle then screamed death to whitey until the cops man handled her.
Right wing old lady gets her letter read out on their holding the BBC accountable segment "Why did the BBC use female pronouns for Aura Coben after he killed 3 people?"
BBC responds "The BBC does whatever the fuck it wants, but we read your letter old bag so it's fair."
And thus the leftie thinks the BBC is actually giving the right wing a voice, despite never validating a single right wing idea and only using the most basic push back. They use the complaints to validate the idea, never to question it.

The main thing we can all agree on is journalists are scum.

You're dodging the point entirely here. You're being very political even. GB news is the closest thing the UK has to a right wing news source and it really isn't. I don't know about any one else but I don't read news papers any more with one exception. The daily sport because it's just a complete shit post and I will find a few stories to laugh at.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Angela Rayner is fucking retarded and if you can’t see that you shouldn’t be allowed to vote.

You can see that in her self-described backstory. She got herself knocked up at 16 and dropped out of school right before taking her GCSEs, and claims that she was illiterate because her mum didn't have books in the house, which is nonsense; if she was illiterate it was because she was fucking and running with street gangs instead of reading. It's played off as a "woe is me, I'm one of the poors so I understand the struggle of the working stiff", despite the fact that she went barely put the minimal amount of work in before getting a comfortable job in local government. She's not intelligent, but she is cunning, like Prescott or Hague. She's a real-life equivalent of Philomena Cunk; an ignorant gobshite, who plays off her ignorance as "just saying it how it is" whenever she shits in her own mouth and spits it at people. Every difficulty she's faced in her life is one she's made for herself.

And I'll repeat it: she's got knives out for Starmer. I'd almost celebrate if she ended up charge of a Labour government, because she'll bring it all crashing down in short order and then perhaps the party can begin its restoration.