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A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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#VEGANsausageroll thanks Greggs

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[teriyakiburns]

The whole "make babies to fight the immigants" thing is retarded anyway. The British Isles are already overcrowded. England has a similar population density to Japan, with a steadily decreasing area of arable land; we've been a net importer of wheat and barley for decades, never mind anything else.

Any viable solution to the problem requires expulsion, but simply throwing out everyone who fails the paper bag test isn't practical or even remotely palatable. A focus on prevention of any new immigration and gradual repatriation is the only thing that will get any sort of traction in the current political landscape. Give them 20 grand and a one way ticket back to the home country, or the nearest equivalent. But first, you have to get into power.

So if your policy hinges on "Step One: Overthrow the government and install yourself as dictator", it's probably not a very effective policy.

God dammit...

 

[Otterly]

Mat leave should be done like it is in Sweden - the mother must take a few weeks, and then the rest is ‘parental leave.’ Each parent has a set number of days they must use or lose but the bulk of it can be transferred between parents as needed so that both take time off. What tends to happen there is the mother and father take the first couple of weeks together (there’s a short time you can both be off at the start) then the mother takes a chunk of time, then the father .
This leads to both sexes being able to spend time with their children, it allows breastfeeding to be established and carried out for a few months minimum and it seems to result in a far more child focused society.

As for hormonal contraception- well I wish there were non invasive, non hormonal and reversible methods that were very reliable but there aren’t so many. More work needed there. I’m sure many women would prefer not to need to take hormones for years as well. But the outcome there would be a sharp drop in the availability of women for sex. Now I’m ok with that, but are men? The tinder lifestyle stops the moment the contraception does. There will be no shagging casually. You will need to put a ring on it to have sex. Again, I’m fine with that, but I think you’d get pushback from men as much as women.

Nothing will be solved until we return to high trust homogenous societies that can control their own laws and borders. Everything else flows from that

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

Election guess, and I can show my spergings workings, but I'll keep it short:

Reform form a coalition with Tories. Farage becomes new Tory MP with Suella Braverman as either Deputy PM or new leader of reform, all backed by the tory party backbenchers.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

Reform form a coalition with Tories. Farage becomes new Tory MP with Suella Braverman as either Deputy PM or new leader of reform, all backed by the tory party backbenchers

I'm rating you optimistic because insane seems unfair.

 

[Overdrive]

Election guess, and I can show my spergings workings, but I'll keep it short:

Reform form a coalition with Tories. Farage becomes new Tory MP with Suella Braverman as either Deputy PM or new leader of reform, all backed by the tory party backbenchers.

I'll take whatever hopium you've been huffing please.

 

[AssignedEva]

Election guess, and I can show my spergings workings, but I'll keep it short:

Reform form a coalition with Tories. Farage becomes new Tory MP with Suella Braverman as either Deputy PM or new leader of reform, all backed by the tory party backbenchers.

You need 326 to form a majority in Parliament. We can be generous here and say that the DUP are along for the ride again. The closest I can get on the Financial Times tool to that is having both the Tories and Reform climbing to around 27% of the vote share each and Labour dropping to 30% of the vote:

Latest Redfield & Wilton poll has Labour on 43%, Reform on 18%, Conservative on 18%, Lib Dems on 12%, Greens on 5%, SNP on 3% and other on 1% which yields this:

That would put Labour as having about 75% of the seats and a massive majority, with the Lib Dems as the Opposition (and Reform having twice as many seats as the Tories, who would be a smaller Westminster party than SNP is now). Admittedly the models are breaking down a bit as the Conservatives perform so abysmally (and I'm not sure how they're weighting SNP or Plaid Cymru vote share on this).
Even with the Financial Times "poll of polls" which has Conservatives on 22%, Labour on 42% and Reform on 14%:

the Conservatives would be the Opposition, Reform would have no seats and Labour would still have about 75% of the seats. I can't really see where this massive swing in voting intention would come from in just two weeks to make your vision come true, especially since postal ballots (which are a mainstay of Tory voters) have already been getting sent off.

 

[isalaide]

As for hormonal contraception- well I wish there were non invasive, non hormonal and reversible methods that were very reliable but there aren’t so many. More work needed there. I’m sure many women would prefer not to need to take hormones for years as well. But the outcome there would be a sharp drop in the availability of women for sex. Now I’m ok with that, but are men? The tinder lifestyle stops the moment the contraception does. There will be no shagging casually. You will need to put a ring on it to have sex. Again, I’m fine with that, but I think you’d get pushback from men as much as women.

Yeah, this, and the main group you would get pushback from is married/partnered men. You all think husbands complain a lot now about dead bedrooms and frigid wives? Wait until every disappointing three minute marital duty carries the very real risk of yet another mouth to feed.
You might get away with leaving a tinderella with a bun in the oven and only your burner mobile number, but an actual pregnant wife is much harder to shake loose. Better figure out how your precarious low wage gig employment is going to keep five or six kids.
Before you kid yourself that 'of course' married men are going to be more responsible than that, take a look around you and listen to the couples you know cheerfully admitting how many of their kids are the result of a blase attitude to contraception. My own dear husband is objectively a smart person, and he has four more kids than he ever intended to have because he just would not learn his lesson about playing bareback baby roulette. Four. And he was all in his feelings about the last two, but tough shit, no take backsies, my body my choice.
Now, we can afford them, and his dreams of early retirement and holiday home in Italy are the only casualties of his own stupidity. But if that sort of thing starts happening (again: ever listened to your grandmothers and great grandmothers?) in families that are middle class and below, there will be a slow disaster of destitution in Britain.

 

[teriyakiburns]

I'm going to play fantasy elections now. Trying to match roughly what I've been projecting in the politics thread.



Clever little tool.

 

[3deadniggers]

Most kids in the past weren't planned. They were accidents (intentional some times) with the pill or running out of/not wanting to use condoms any more. Communities supported new families and ends were made to meet through local not governmental support. Grandmas helped raise the kid while the mother recovered and grandpa helped make the home ready for the baby and make sure everything needed was there. The solution isn't for the government to offer more money because it isn't enough to encourage birth rates. You have to completely change the culture so that women feel like being a mother is an essential part of being a woman (because it is) and not have them acting like pooners trying to wear the trousers in the relationship. Men need to engage with women as responsibly leaders able to support a mother and not spend all his time in front of a games console or tinder. Couples need to live close to their families and close to their childhood friends so when the first woman gets knocked up all the rest start to get broody and join in. Which is usually the way you make women want kids. Jealousy and wanting to be part of the Mummy group when their friends are.

Any one saying getting rid of the invaders has to be done nicely needs a reality check. What the fuck do you think is going to happen to a white minority in this country? We already see gangs of pakis and nogs beating up white kids because American propaganda had brought them up to hate whitey. While you're arguing about population size they're ramming vans into Christmas markets. It's a race war while you debate the economics and human rights of people wanting you in the next ISIS beheading video.

@isalaide Birth control causes many dead bedrooms. Tricking a woman into thinking she's pregnant really changes how she acts. Her sex drive is not going to be the same.

 

[AssignedEva]

You have to completely change the culture so that women feel like being a mother is an essential part of being a woman (because it is) and not have them acting like pooners trying to wear the trousers in the relationship. Men need to engage with women as responsibly leaders able to support a mother and not spend all his time in front of a games console or tinder. Couples need to live close to their families and close to their childhood friends so when the first woman gets knocked up all the rest start to get broody and join in.

What policies do you propose that the electorate would have appetite for?

A big part of this shift is because people move for work, including women, because we live in an age where two incomes are required for a reasonable standard of living (and even then, things are expensive without kids). Grandma might not be able to help with the childcare because the couple doesn't live anywhere nearby (because the couples can't afford anywhere near their parents and/or they need to live elsewhere for decent paying jobs). Grandma might not be available for childcare because she's still working. Houses aren't being built and qualitative easing keeps inflating the cost of properties (yes immigration is not helping either), so young couples struggle to actually put down roots anywhere since they keep renting as they can't get on the property ladder - if they can buy, it's increasingly on a newbuild estate with no local amenities, and if not they'll often live in HMOs (or with parents), which is making it harder for them to form and maintain proper relationships in the first place.

And that's without unpicking the brainrot of pornography, social media and dating apps that seem to be causing young men to give up on dating and young women to only want a man in finance, trust fund, 6'5", blue eyes. Something needs to be done, but I suspect "we're going to ban pornography, social media and dating apps because they're bad for you and you can't be trusted to use them with moderation" isn't going to be a vote winner.

So what proposals do you actually have that would shift the cultural dial in this way? It's all well and good saying "we should go back to the 1950s" but you've not actually established how you'd achieve that. It's pointless to say "we need stronger communities" when we don't currently have strong communities and there's significant barriers to rebuilding them. Providing tax credits for children and providing more free childcare is going to help, because it'd lessen the burden of the cost of living - how expensive everything is with the cost of raising children on top is a commonly cited reason for why people aren't having children or having more children (or at least the sort of people you want to be having more children).

 

[3deadniggers]

What policies do you propose that the electorate would have appetite for?

You keep saying "How do you fix the system from within the current system?" and you can't. It's broken by design. It is collapsing around us and the replacement will look nothing like how we live now. Hitler 2 won't appear and magically save us all but a collapse will make a power vacuum and whoever wins the most territory won't be doing democratic systems. A lot of the foreigners will naturally return home once the benefit system collapses and others will have to be fought for territory one way or another.

 

[Otterly]

What policies do you propose that the electorate would have appetite for?

This won’t be done through policies. It will be done when things have gone so wrong we’ve turned into a cross between Haiti and Brazil and people are poor and hungry and desperate.
Our elites are creating a system of control because they have no alternative with homogenous societies destroyed (by them.) a society will manage itself and breed if it sees a future for itself. Now they’ve destroyed that, they realise that the turmoil will kill them too so they desperately flail around thinking that if only we just control everything everyone does and says and thinks it’ll be ok.
It won’t, of course. We will continue to circle the drain, and when the uk and Europe are utterly broken and look like the third world hellholes the invaders fled from, there will be an awful lot of very nasty violence and blood, and whomever is left will build something new, and that need to consolidate and expand will drive another baby boom.
There is no nice policy that gets us out of this. In the grim darkness of the far future there is only war.

 

[Coelacanth]

I'm going to play fantasy elections now. Trying to match roughly what I've been projecting in the politics thread.

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Clever little tool.

Hehehehehe

A lot of the foreigners will naturally return home once the benefit system collapses

Problem with this is that the foreigners probably wont. Why return to a country that might actually punish them by hanging for raping and beheading a woman even though she was wearing her hijab when they can stay here and continue fucking women, girls and little boys and be lauded for it? The poos and pakis have already turned the NHS into their own scheme as it is too - no doubt they'll just give services to their own kind and happily let the natives rot and fester away.

This won’t be done through policies. It will be done when things have gone so wrong we’ve turned into a cross between Haiti and Brazil and people are poor and hungry and desperate.

We're basically becoming Venezuela - only we're introducing the nanny state policies first. I dread whats going to happen when the violence breaks out because I've read just what the fuck goes through the minds of barbarians who manage to figure out the family owning the house they've just broken into doesn't have any means of self defense.

 

[3deadniggers]

Hehehehehe

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Problem with this is that the foreigners probably wont. Why return to a country that might actually punish them by hanging for raping and beheading a woman even though she was wearing her hijab when they can stay here and continue fucking women, girls and little boys and be lauded for it? The poos and pakis have already turned the NHS into their own scheme as it is too - no doubt they'll just give services to their own kind and happily let the natives rot and fester away.


We're basically becoming Venezuela - only we're introducing the nanny state policies first. I dread whats going to happen when the violence breaks out because I've read just what the fuck goes through the minds of barbarians who manage to figure out the family owning the house they've just broken into doesn't have any means of self defense.

South Africa.

Communities will form to fight the barbarians. It's weird to think villages may become fortified like the days of old.

 

[Coelacanth]

Communities will form to fight the barbarians. It's weird to think villages may become fortified like the days of old.

Well you have a point. We have these things out in the bumblefuck nowhere that is the countryside after all.

In the right hands they could be made into Killdozers. And if we block off the roads during the winter the fields will do more than enough to halt invaders with the sheer amount of mud.

 

[3deadniggers]

Well you have a point. We have these things out in the bumblefuck nowhere that is the countryside after all.

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In the right hands they could be made into Killdozers. And if we block off the roads during the winter the fields will do more than enough to halt invaders with the sheer amount of mud.

We'll be needing those to clean all the shit out of paki land.

 

[Coelacanth]

We'll be needing those to clean all the shit out of paki land.

Nah that won't do it. A good combine harvester will be more than enough to send them running.

Oo Ar, lads!

 

[3deadniggers]

Nah that won't do it. A good combine harvester will be more than enough to send them running.

Oo Ar, lads!

https://youtube.com/watch?v=btEpF334Rtc

Combine running over a river of shit is a good way to paint the town brown

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

Nah that won't do it. A good combine harvester will be more than enough to send them running.

Oo Ar, lads!

I do hope our apocalyptic future is set to the background music of the Wurzels and Lancashire Hotpots.

 

[Doctor Love]

There is no nice policy that gets us out of this. In the grim darkness of the far future there is only war.

Oh, sweet, this looks like an opportunity to glowpost!

I have been figuring out what is available - and it turns out that everything which the state has tried to ban is just out of reach for the third worlders, who have invented nothing, but there's a wealth of information on the historical methods.

Fermenting urea is a good one - it's a modernised variation of the old method of producing gunpowder. In the past, it was limited by two things - the availability of urine, and the availability of air. In the modern era, we have aerobic fermentation - stick it in a big bucket, stick a hose in the bucket, stick an air pump onto the hose. Keep it warm, and just bubble air through it. If you run out of piss, use AdBlue - which is 33% urea. If you add in potassium via wood ash, you get some potassium nitrate. This is the one which I have investigated - it works, but could definitely be improved upon.

If you use a plant pot as a membrane, you can use it (and a bucket) for electrolysis. The plant pot will allow ions to pass through it, only when charged - so, you can bring out the acid to one side, and the alkali to the other, without them mixing. With one electrode inside the pot, and one outside, you can bring ions across the membrane - which opens the door to any number of possibilities.

Epsom Salts (Magnesium Sulphate) and table salt (Sodium Chloride) can be electrolysed into Magnesium Hydroxide and Sulphuric Acid, and Sodium Hydroxide and Chlorine. If you bubble the chlorine through water, you get Hydrochloric Acid.

Those are the big three. You can also get sulphuric acid from battery acid - and if you react potassium nitrate with sulphuric acid, you'll get your nitric acid and potassium sulphate. Nitric acid can be distilled, i.e heat it, collect the vapour and deposit it in a separate container.

Nitric Acid and Hydrochloric Acid is agua regia, so you can dissolve gold and if you react it with iron filings, you get - mercury fulminate, the highly sensitive explosive! This can be used as a primer - the part of an ammunition casing which is impacted by the hammer, igniting the rest of the propellant. If you want to get fancy, you can do some crazy shit with electronics, too.

Nitric Acid and Sulphuric Acid are used as the method of nitration - nitration is what turns cotton and vegetable oil into nitrocellulose and nitroglycerin, which are two very valuable substances. They can be mixed to make modern smokeless powder.

My actual chemistry knowledge is kinda limited - since I'm not a Chemist - but for DIY jobs, you can get most of this done with a heat gun, pots and pans, steel, a dremel and a drill. You can also use a heat gun to blast hot air into a coal-fired furnace, which will make it hot enough to melt steel.

The rest is relatively simple metalwork - there is access to all three major acids through the salt routes, and the only one which was hard to get is the nitrate salts. Most of the UK's laws focus on prohibiting Nitric Acid - as you can see, it's extremely important and is the "lynchpin" of the entire series. The other two can't be regulated, since they can be made from sea salt - nitrate salts are the most prohibited substance in the UK, by far. All firearm legislation in the UK (and the world, for that matter) depends on the restriction of, specifically, nitric acid from purchase.

With the appropriate chemical knowledge, once you have access to metalworking gear, you can continually improve your methods. I'm sure there are better ways to do all of these, none of it's perfect - but you can DIY all three. If you think about it, professional is just DIY with a lot of experience.

Generally speaking, seamless tubes - which are just hollowed-out solid cylinders - are the best kind of vessel for high-pressure systems. A stack of pennies can be melted together, cast in sand and then finished on a lathe, or cut with a dremel, for whatever part you need. The only bit which is restricted or hard to get is those nitrates.

I've read just what the fuck goes through the minds of barbarians who manage to figure out the family owning the house they've just broken into doesn't have any means of self defense.

Well, I figured that if I am going to die due to third-world shit within the NHS, then I am spiteful enough to find a counter to the last 30 years of political abuse. I've had a lot of downtime due to my health, so I think I used it wisely.

In the right hands they could be made into Killdozers. And if we block off the roads during the winter the fields will do more than enough to halt invaders with the sheer amount of mud.

I have a much better use for farming equipment!