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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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#VEGANsausageroll thanks Greggs

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[Rusty Metal Skull Gun]

There are 850 cinemas in Britain today and three times as many food banks.
There are 1,200 hospitals and twice as many food banks.
There are more food banks than there are public libraries.

Food banks are a recent invention, so the fact there's more than there used to be doesn't mean a great deal.

 

[3deadniggers]

Food banks are a recent invention, so the fact there's more than there used to be doesn't mean a great deal.

Food banks have existed on a small scale forever. They were run from churches and poor families could get free food from them. When I was at school 3 or 4 times a year they would do a big week of collecting tins to give to the food bank (or probably Africa). They're local things that don't draw much national attention until it's convenient to the media to show poor black women with 6 kids having to eat tinned hot dogs.

 

[Bloom Worm Cross Field]

I never know how to feel about food banks. Are they a sign that the government's policies are making more and more people destitute, or that a greater number of people in this country are happy to take anything that's free for the taking? It looks like to be eligible for a food bank you need to get a referral from a recognised organisation, but if it's anything like our visa system then I'd imagine you can just rock up and say "gibsmedat" and get one. Anyone have any experience?

 

[Amin Yasister]

There was a food bank set up in a telephone box in a local village to me during the end of the pandemic. It also had a selection of DVD's that people could take and return once watched.

It meant yhat those that needed something to see them get by for a day or two, without having to go "cap in hand" to somewhere or someone.

And guess what? It was totally cleared of everything at least half a dozen times in the first month.
And no doubt by someone that wasn't in desperate need of any of it. Taking all the DVD's FFS.

 

[AssignedEva]

Food banks have existed on a small scale forever. They were run from churches and poor families could get free food from them. When I was at school 3 or 4 times a year they would do a big week of collecting tins to give to the food bank (or probably Africa). They're local things that don't draw much national attention until it's convenient to the media to show poor black women with 6 kids having to eat tinned hot dogs.

The best sort of insight into this is the Trussell Trust, who operate around two thirds of the food banks in the UK.

In 2010 they distributed approximately 60,000 food parcels and in 2023 they distributed approximately 3 million food parcels. There's a variety of potential confounding factors here - for example, the Trussell Trust has expanded over that time, perhaps integrating pre-existing food banks. Maybe people got more used to food banks and so are going to them more than they would have 15 years ago. Perhaps with more resources they've been able to give out more food parcels than they did before, so the older numbers were artificially lower.

But the chart still is a good indicator at how much worse off people have become, that 4900% increase is not just a result of those confounding factors.

 

[3deadniggers]

The best sort of insight into this is the Trussell Trust, who operate around two thirds of the food banks in the UK.
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In 2010 they distributed approximately 60,000 food parcels and in 2023 they distributed approximately 3 million food parcels. There's a variety of potential confounding factors here - for example, the Trussell Trust has expanded over that time, perhaps integrating pre-existing food banks. Maybe people got more used to food banks and so are going to them more than they would have 15 years ago. Perhaps with more resources they've been able to give out more food parcels than they did before, so the older numbers were artificially lower.

But the chart still is a good indicator at how much worse off people have become, that 4900% increase is not just a result of those confounding factors.

Also lines up with when mass immigration really changed what cities looked like. It makes a lot of sense that as more immigrants come in wanting hand outs the demand for free stuff increases. This is different to the food banks of my era. They were to support pensioners and widowed single mothers struggling to make ends meet and the local people wanted to give charity to without being disrespectful.

 

[St.Davis]

There are more food banks than there are public libraries

My local library got converted into a house, in which a Paki family lives.

I think this is a reasonable microcosm of the UK.

 

[AssignedEva]

Also lines up with when mass immigration really changed what cities looked like. It makes a lot of sense that as more immigrants come in wanting hand outs the demand for free stuff increases. This is different to the food banks of my era. They were to support pensioners and widowed single mothers struggling to make ends meet and the local people wanted to give charity to without being disrespectful.

That's part of the increase, sure. But the sheer scale of the impact says this isn't the only reason. Half of NHS trusts are providing (21%) or planning to provide (35%) food banks to hospital staff, with nurses making up 10% of staff using food banks. Things are worse and working people are poorer than they used to be, it's not just that immigrants are looking for gibs.

 

[Free the Pedos]

They’ve conserved the elite’s grip on power and marched us a bit further back to feudalism. Other than that nothing.
Lived experience? Well, it’s been raining solidly for about 16 months now, the roads are disintegrating. The bins don’t get picked up much. The police are non functional for actual crime but very keen on nabbing anyone who upsets a protected class. The alphabet menace/ woke demon has infiltrated every core institution we have. The rivers and beaches are being filled with sewage when a few years back they were clean enough to swim in. The trains still don’t run on time but the fares have almost doubled. Utility, water, sewerage electricity and gas prices have rocketed. We no longer have even a pretence of freedom of expression
The entire country is packed to the ginnels with fighting age men from every country in the world all claiming benefits, the NHS is in bits, and Labour are about to get in and make everything an order of magnitude worse.
Did I miss anything?

This post could be medically prescribed to induce depression. I’m so sorry Brit bros.
(Not that the US is doing better in all these categories.)

 

[Vesperus]

It's when there suddenly aren't any food banks you need to worry...

 

[Judge Dredd]

I'm curious - what have the UK Conservatives "conserved" in the 14 years they've been in power? I keep hearing that everything is fucking shit, I see that everything is shit (through YouTube), but what's the lived experience of people in the UK right now?

Depends on who you trust.

I live "oop north" and my experience hasn't been what I see on the internet. I'm seeing the population replaced by foreigners and the collapse of town centers, but I've not seen pride police cars or things like that. There's a house I sometimes pass when walking the dog that still has current thing plastered all over the windows like "Save the NHS" and "scan this QR code to help Ukraine", but they are an outlier.

As for the conservatives, a good US expression is the Uniparty. Conservatives and Labour basically want the same thing. I live in a place that is a Labour stronghold, but no one really cares for their policies. It's mostly a generational thing.

 

[3deadniggers]

That's part of the increase, sure. But the sheer scale of the impact says this isn't the only reason. Half of NHS trusts are providing (21%) or planning to provide (35%) food banks to hospital staff, with nurses making up 10% of staff using food banks. Things are worse and working people are poorer than they used to be, it's not just that immigrants are looking for gibs.

Have you been in a hospital or surgery recently? They're all brown and black staffed now. Last time I saw a doctor he was trying to remember words and went "I remember from growing up in pakistan" when he recalled it. The NHS is one of the biggest importers of foreigners. It demands as many black nurses as Nigera can offer.

This post could be medically prescribed to induce depression. I’m so sorry Brit bros.
(Not that the US is doing better in all these categories.)

Keep a stiff upper lip lad! We're all gonna.. drown in a river of blood on the designated shitting country.

 

[EddyRooney]

There are 850 cinemas in Britain today and three times as many food banks.
There are 1,200 hospitals and twice as many food banks.
There are more food banks than there are public libraries.

So we've got more brazen ponces ?

 

[Free the Pedos]

Keep a stiff upper lip lad! We're all gonna.. drown in a river of blood on the designated shitting country

Hey, it’s white boy summer. Maybe get the lads together for a lil white microstate? Just for a treat?

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

Also lines up with when mass immigration really changed what cities looked like.

YMMV but this happened in the 90s. The talk of mass migration being a problem now, is like complaining that the horse has bolted, had kids, died and was fed to dogs who are pissing on the open stable door. The time to talk about migration was the 80's. The time to stop it was the 90's. By 11/9, that we didn't deport every possible terrorist for 'safety' of the country, and instead bombed camel-herders abroad, should tell everyone what the plan was.

The only way to fix the migration problem now, nearly 30 years late, is to mass deport every first and second generation African and muslim. But, we won't, because just like the conversation in the 80's or the deportation in the 90s', the mere thought of it was so extreme that it would never happen.

If we don't deport now, in 20 years time, we will be looking at even more extreme options that no-one really wants to stomach. Unfortunately, if we don't do something then, the British will be gone. Call this extreme, but people called Enoch Powell a racist and extremist. How many people have been mugged, raped and killed by non-British?

 

[3deadniggers]

YMMV but this happened in the 90s. The talk of mass migration being a problem now, is like complaining that the horse has bolted, had kids, died and was fed to dogs who are pissing on the open stable door. The time to talk about migration was the 80's. The time to stop it was the 90's. By 11/9, that we didn't deport every possible terrorist for 'safety' of the country, and instead bombed camel-herders abroad, should tell everyone what the plan was.

The only way to fix the migration problem now, nearly 30 years late, is to mass deport every first and second generation African and muslim. But, we won't, because just like the conversation in the 80's or the deportation in the 90s', the mere thought of it was so extreme that it would never happen.

If we don't deport now, in 20 years time, we will be looking at even more extreme options that no-one really wants to stomach. Unfortunately, if we don't do something then, the British will be gone. Call this extreme, but people called Enoch Powell a racist and extremist. How many people have been mugged, raped and killed by non-British?

Everyone here agrees with what you're saying. I'm saying the 2000s is the turning point where the brown hordes took over the cities in ways they never had before. 70s-90s breed the second generation and 80s-2000s bred the third and that's when 2 became 10 and 10 became 64 and then all their in-laws got free invites. In 2020 now we're seeing foreign towns. Not just the cities but the smaller ex industrial towns are being swarmed with them. The London/Leicester/Birmingham/Coventry run off has started to make up the majority of many places in the center of England and it's spreading outwards.

Enoch was right. If Farage wasn't a faggot he would go on live television and say "Enoch Powell was right" and hold up all the pictures of bloody corpses caused by the foreigners. Unfortunately the sack of shit is too busy rambling about potential terrorists and Muslims like it's still a week after 9/11. He's 20 years out of date and we're in a dire situation that can only be resolved with a final solution.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

Enoch was right. If Farage wasn't a faggot he would go on live television and say "Enoch Powell was right" and hold up all the pictures of bloody corpses caused by the foreigners.

I disagree. I don't want the ovens fired up or millions of innocent, decent people being put against the wall. It's why I'm an advocate for being a little nasty (then) and a bit nasty now, so that we don't get put in a position where we genocide them, or they genocide us. For all of the larping, nobody wants that.

 

[GratsTheat783]

I've seen some people on here say that Nigel Farage is planted opposition. What makes you think that? I don't know much about him other than that he used to be a banker and that he's a right-wing populist. I've been told that populism is overall bad, as a populist politician will always have to change his plan to whatever's popular at the time, meaning nothing that gets started gets complete unless done quickly (which the system mostly prevents).

GB News made me realise just how much people look to the TV to decide what opinions are acceptable or not. When I had reservations about the vaccine, my parents and family would call me a conspiracy theorist and I ended up succumbing to their pressure to take it, yet once hosts on GB News started questioning it, they also started questioning it. I've also noticed it with climate change, immigration and probably some other topics.

 

[Doctor Love]

I've seen some people on here say that Nigel Farage is planted opposition. What makes you think that? I don't know much about him other than that he used to be a banker and that he's a right-wing populist

He's the ideal opposition for the state, since Farage, at his worst, is still tolerable and easy for the state to deal with.

He is permitted, i.e not assassinated, because he saps life away from legitimate opponents.

 

[Otterly]

ended up succumbing to their pressure to take it

I say this with no rebuke at all, because I do get the pressure, and I do sympathise because it was awful. So I’m not saying this in a snarky or sarcastic way at all, this a genuine question that I’ve asked myself as well
So - they will do something similar again. It may or may not be vaccines, but there will be A Thing that you know you don’t want to do and the pressure will be intense. When that time comes, think of this. Think of how you feel about the shots now before you make your choice to comply with The Thing or not.

just how much people look to the TV to decide what opinions are acceptable or not

Yeah, it’s a weird thing isn’t it? Once seen it cannot be unseen. You’ll start noticing and awful lot more of it the more you look. I’m afraid it gets quite depressing the more you see.
The answer of course is that decent people need to do their own long march through the institutions and capture the media. I don’t like the idea that 85% of people are programmable cattle, but humanity is doing its best to act that way.