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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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Sheffield kid gets stabby

A 17 year old has attached two kids and a child using a "sharp object" in a school in Sheffield. School went in to lockdown for a few hours, incident over and the 17 year is arrested.
No name or picture released just yet. Coppers say they're staying in the area but there's no danger to the public (why are they hanging around then?).

Another isolated incident where someone goes stabby. They're all isolated, these many isolated incidents.
 
Sheffield kid gets stabby

A 17 year old has attached two kids and a child using a "sharp object" in a school in Sheffield. School went in to lockdown for a few hours, incident over and the 17 year is arrested.
No name or picture released just yet. Coppers say they're staying in the area but there's no danger to the public (why are they hanging around then?).

Another isolated incident where someone goes stabby. They're all isolated, these many isolated incidents.
Do you think these are copycat attacks based on previous incidents or do you think there's something else linking them? Seems to have been a lot of stabbings lately. I'm staying out of cities wherever possible.

Is there anything new about the attack that happened yesterday? Like the identity of the guy who did it and why?
 
Do you think these are copycat attacks based on previous incidents or do you think there's something else linking them? Seems to have been a lot of stabbings lately. I'm staying out of cities wherever possible.

Is there anything new about the attack that happened yesterday? Like the identity of the guy who did it and why?

Copycats? Unlikely I would say. There is a strange phenomena where the rate of incidents increase in relation to their media coverage. For some reason, when a celeb dies and it's publicised, other celebs die. Same with car crashes, plane crashes and suicides etc (There was a town in Wales that saw 10+ teens hang themselves in a very short space of time that was linked with this). So there's a chance that with the popularisation of the London stabbing, a few more people were tipped over the edge.

No new details on the guy from London or this fella. I saw a poster on here say that the area of London (Hainult) had a large Ukie population and there there were some stabbings between Ruskies and Ukies on British soil over the war in Ukraine. It's possible this is slav-on-slav violence.

Either way, it's a sign of bad times when normies getting stabby becomes a daily occurrence. Who had ever heard of a school lockdown before? Let alone one in the UK.
 
Copycats? Unlikely I would say. There is a strange phenomena where the rate of incidents increase in relation to their media coverage. For some reason, when a celeb dies and it's publicised, other celebs die. Same with car crashes, plane crashes and suicides etc (There was a town in Wales that saw 10+ teens hang themselves in a very short space of time that was linked with this). So there's a chance that with the popularisation of the London stabbing, a few more people were tipped over the edge.

No new details on the guy from London or this fella. I saw a poster on here say that the area of London (Hainult) had a large Ukie population and there there were some stabbings between Ruskies and Ukies on British soil over the war in Ukraine. It's possible this is slav-on-slav violence.

Either way, it's a sign of bad times when normies getting stabby becomes a daily occurrence. Who had ever heard of a school lockdown before? Let alone one in the UK.
I think I've heard of a few in recent years. A few years ago in a private school in Aberdeen there was a stabbing that happened. I remember it because shortly after it occurred, I got held back and lectured for 5 minutes at the end of the day for joking about stabbing someone with a screw-driver I made in metal-working class.

My Dad's become very concerned about the state of the country lately. He keeps talking about how he's going to put in for a gun license. I don't think we'd get one though, I have a feeling the authorities would be extremely unlikely to give one over if they suspect you want it for safety reasons. Even then, you have to keep the gun unloaded when not in use and also locked in a safe. The ammo also has to be locked in a separate safe. Police can also come knocking at your door for an inspection whenever.
 
My Dad's become very concerned about the state of the country lately. He keeps talking about how he's going to put in for a gun license. I don't think we'd get one though, I have a feeling the authorities would be extremely unlikely to give one over if they suspect you want it for safety reasons. Even then, you have to keep the gun unloaded when not in use and also locked in a safe. The ammo also has to be locked in a separate safe. Police can also come knocking at your door for an inspection whenever.

The country has gone down the shitter. When the people (older generation) who lived through recessions, winter of discontent, miner strikes, technological changes and decades of immigration, turn around and say "this is the worst it's ever been" then it's time to be prepared.
Not to go on a rant but i've been growing my own food as much as I can, learning wilderness survival techniques, scoping out places around the UK i can 'bug out' to even for a few days while any potential shit storm blows over and, just like your old man, looked into getting a gun. It's easier than I thought though I wouldn't go down the legal firearm road. I would go for a gas-powered air-rifle and buy upgrade springs to take it beyond the legal limit. One of those puppies with a rotating magazine would punch enough holes through someone to stop them in their tracks.
 
Not to go on a rant but i've been growing my own food as much as I can, learning wilderness survival techniques, scoping out places around the UK i can 'bug out' to even for a few days while any potential shit storm blows over and, just like your old man, looked into getting a gun. It's easier than I thought though I wouldn't go down the legal firearm road. I would go for a gas-powered air-rifle and buy upgrade springs to take it beyond the legal limit. One of those puppies with a rotating magazine would punch enough holes through someone to stop them in their tracks.
I suppose now is a good time as any to point Bonger Kiwis who're thinking about bugging out or prepping for SHTF in the direction of a book called The Modern Survival Manual by Ferfal Aguirre. What sets Ferfal apart from other preppers is he's been through the Argentinian economic collapse way back in 2001 and not only has experience of what life is like during a major crisis like that, but also isn't afraid to slap some sense into you about common things preppers tend to do and believe.

Also a word of caution: Be very careful about talking about taking methods of self defense past the "legal limit", even on a place like Kiwi Farms. It could come back to bite you in the ass depending on how far the law is willing to go to put you in jail for a comment like that.
 
Be sure to tag your local police department if you're gonna glow like this.
FWIW, the legal limit for air rifles is 12 footpounds of force. It's common for shooters of air rifles to up it a bit, which is illegal, but it doesn't turn it into an AK or a Barret 50 .cal. It just adds a bit more punch.
Isn't stabbing people basically the same as saying hello over there?
"'Allo, 'Allo, 'Allo, what's stabbing on here then", is how our coppers greet us.
 
Do you believe that the best place to talk about making illegal modifications to your air rifle is a public Internet forum?
I was speaking hypothetically, I don't own a weapon but to put it in perspective, it's about as illegal as saying you speed on the motorway.

Though I get your point. Luckily I'm a retard, autist, paranoid-schitzophrenic down-syndrome spastic and my posts are all lies and for entertainment (ymmv) and satirical purposes only.
 
Do you believe that the best place to talk about making illegal modifications to your air rifle is a public Internet forum?
Well, it's hardly like he's demonstrating how to produce nitric acid on an industrial scale, is it?

"B-but what about the police" is the faggiest, whiniest shit you could come out with. The guy has given legitimate advice for anyone who wants to try it.
 
Holy shit, what the actual fuck is going on with the Co-op Live arena? They cancelled another show, this time just before it was due to start, after people were already queuing, and now they've cancelled this weekend's shows. Was it somehow cursed by gypsies, or built on a haunted graveyard or something?
 
Holy shit, what the actual fuck is going on with the Co-op Live arena? They cancelled another show, this time just before it was due to start, after people were already queuing, and now they've cancelled this weekend's shows. Was it somehow cursed by gypsies, or built on a haunted graveyard or something?
It was never going to be ready on time, they held off till the last possible minute to cancel the premier events and they continue to refuse to cancel things in the desperate hope something will be able to go ahead. It's getting worse because postponed dates are moving to new ones and being cancelled again.

It's the competency crisis in action.

Oh wait, sorry, my mistake. It's Brexit.


The man behind Co-op Live has revealed exactly why the opening of Manchester's new arena has been delayed again. In an exclusive interview with the Manchester Evening News, Tim Leiweke explained why the £365m venue has pushed back Peter Kay's two performances for a second time and rescheduled The Black Keys' show tomorrow (April 27).

The Bolton comedian's official opening show was supposed to take place on Tuesday (April 23). But with just one day to go, it was postponed to a week later. Now, the two Peter Kay gigs are set to take place on Thursday, 23 May and Friday, 24 May, while a performance by The Black Keys scheduled for Saturday (April 27) has been moved to May 15.

Mr Leiweke, who is the managing director at the American Oak View Group, told the M.E.N. he is confident the 23,500 capacity arena will be ready for Olivia Rodrigo's two nights starting on Friday (May 3). That will follow a performance by Boogie Wit Da Hoodie planned for Wednesday (May 1), at which the upper tiers will be closed.


The Co-op Live boss blamed Brexit, Covid and a record amount of rainfall for the delays to the construction of, what he describes as, 'the best arena outside of North America'. He admitted the company knew the deadline for the original opening show by Peter Kay scheduled for Tuesday (April 23) would be 'tight' as some testing still had to be completed.

Mr Leiweke said bosses at the new venue discovered there was still 'a lot of work to do' following a test event on Saturday (April 20), which saw Rick Astley take to the stage. Hours before the event, ticket holders were told the capacity had been cut from around 11,000 to 4,000, with some offered tickets to see The Black Keys instead.


It came after concerns were raised by police and the fire service when tests took place. The M.E.N. understands Greater Manchester Police was not satisfied with the strength and reach of the radio system inside the venue.

A GMP spokesperson told the M.E.N. the force raised the importance of suitable coverage for emergency services communication in 2023. The force added that this month, it found the coverage is still not sufficient.

Mr Leiweke told the M.E.N. that in the last three weeks, GMP requested a special radio system be installed to overcome the issue. The venue's boss said he personally called the president of Motorola in the US to find a solution.

He said: "The biggest bugaboo has been the request on a special radio system that is for the police only on their system. And so, this is something we've spent the last couple of weeks trying to get definition. Once we got definition, literally, I called the president of Motorola in Chicago and said, 'I got a problem, I need to find it in a day'.

"It's here today and getting installed, and then we'll test it. But we've agreed with the police to let them test it. Now, that was a bit of a curveball for us. That wasn't something that people were telling us three years ago, or two years ago, or a year ago.

"We're good. We get why the police want it. We're the only arena in the UK that will have this exclusive secure line just for the police department. But it takes a couple of extra days.


"Out of an abundance of caution, I don't want to install it and then hope it works tomorrow. So let's install it and give ourselves two days to test it.

"The police are grateful for that. As much as everyone's saying we're at odds with them, we're not. We are giving them what they want.

"That's a temporary solution and then we're going to work on the long-term solution. But that temporary solution, again, is the most technologically advanced radio system in any arena anywhere in the UK and no one has it - including the AO.

"It takes time. When you build something like this, when it's the biggest arena in the world, you're going to have a few hiccups."

Mr Leiweke said the fire service also asked for 'another couple of extra days' to complete testing at the new venue. He explained that one of the health and safety features of the building that still needs to be tested is the emergency opening of all of the doors around the venue, which relies on the airflow system popping them open.

He said: "We've got the fire alarms, we've got the CCTVs, we've got the command centre which ultimately has to be up and operating - which it is. They would prefer that we spend a couple of more days and not be in a situation where today at 5 o'clock we cancel tomorrow."

Mr Leiweke thanked the artists for agreeing to reschedule at such short notice. He told the M.E.N. The Black Keys, who were supposed to perform tomorrow (April 27), will now come to Co-op Live at the end of their UK tour.

He praised Peter Kay, who is not currently on tour, for his 'very good sense of humour', claiming the Bolton comedian backed the venue and did not want to risk postponing his performance at short notice again. However, Mr Leiweke said he is confident Oliva Rodrigo's two concerts starting on Friday (May 3) will go ahead.

He said: "We've looked at this a hundred different ways in the last 24 hours. She's good. We'll deal with any issues that arise. Do I expect that we will be at full capacity next Friday? Yes. So [do] the police, so does the fire department, so does our contractor BAM and SES, which is our electrical contractor."

Mr Leiweke also revealed three stands will be 'nicely' boarded up when the venue opens and are set to be completed in the next phase of construction. Responding to claims some toilets are still not operational, he said that some will still not have water while the building is being tested, but they will be up and running by Friday.


Mr Leiweke is confident the venue will be ready by next week

Mr Leiweke is confident the venue will be ready by next week (Image: Manchester Evening News)
The venue previously said the issues that led to Peter Kay's performance being postponed were related to the power. The M.E.N. was told by one contractor electricians were behind schedule, causing knock-on delays.

Asked about these delays, Mr Leiweke said he had 'nothing but nice things to say' about the 10,000 people working on the project. But he told the M.E.N. a lead contractor was crying last night 'because he felt he let us down'.

He said: "I've got 10,000 people who've worked on this project. 10,000. A lot of people, emotionally, have put a lot into this. A lot of us have staked our careers, and our company on this.

"We have contingencies. We're not going to need it for Olivia [Rodrigo]. We will open up next Friday."

The M.E.N. understands a completion certificate is yet to be issued by Manchester council's building control team. That can only be issued once construction is complete, but the venue can open to the public before that.

The venue was originally supposed to open at the start of the year, before pushing back the opening back to April (Image: Manchester Evening News)
Mr Leiweke said inspectors are going through the building today (Friday, April 26) and tomorrow with a 600-point 'punch list'. But he said some of the items on this list may not be checked off for another six months to a year.

He said: "Every building I've ever opened, we've had a punch list of as long as 10,000 items. Some of it's easy like paint. Some of it's a little more complicated like lighting systems."

The venue was initially scheduled to open at the start of this year, but the opening was postponed to April. Mr Leiweke said this was down to workforce shortages, which he blamed on Brexit, and disruption caused by Covid.

He said: "That is the thing surprised me the most. Finding skilled labour is a lot harder to do right now in the UK than it was before Brexit. When I built the O2, we still had issues trying to fill the jobs, but Brexit has had a remarkable impact on the skilled trades craftsmen. So the double shifts are harder to do quite frankly right now."

In a joint statement, Manchester council, Greater Manchester Police, Greater Manchester Fire and Rescue Service, North West Ambulance Service said: "As a whole group we support the decision of Co-op Live to step down the event tomorrow, and we will continue to work together as they move to completion.

"We have discussed with the Co-op Live venue this week the actions that they needed to take ahead of their planned public opening and while a considerable amount of work has taken place, and learning taken from last week’s test event, we all agree that there is more to complete before the venue can welcome audiences safely.

"Whilst we understand this will be disappointing, we cannot compromise on public safety. Our focus is, and always will be, the wellbeing of residents and visitors to our city. Following last Saturday’s test event, where temporary mitigations were put in place, we were assured that our concerns about the venue would be addressed before a public opening. That work is continuing as they move to welcoming events with larger audience numbers.

"The elements outstanding include a fully tested emergency services communication system, and some remaining internal security systems, and fire safety measures. Work is progressing quickly in all of these areas, and all partners involved look forward to the venue being open and able to welcome guests safely once they are completed."

Speaking on behalf of all emergency services, a GMP spokesperson told the M.E.N: "Emergency services raised the importance of ensuring the provision of suitable coverage for emergency services communication in 2023. The most recent testing has been taking place this month and has indicated that coverage is not yet sufficient to meet our safety needs. Work on resolving this is currently taking place and we are confident that it will be resolved soon."

Most recent cancellation was only announced after the doors were due to open.


Fans have reacted with shock and confusion as Manchester's troubled new Co-op Live arena called off its opening concert at the last minute.

Thousands were queueing to see rapper A Boogie Wit Da Hoodie at the £365m venue when his show was cancelled.
One fan told the BBC it was "very unprofessional", while another criticised the "bad organisation".
The arena has had a series of problems, and later said Olivia Rodrigo's shows this weekend would also not go ahead.
Some fans outside the venue were handed a sheet of paper saying A Boogie Wit Da Hoodie's gig had been cancelled for "technical reasons".

Fan Jamie Cornwall from Lincoln said he'd "got the day off for no point"
Yasin, 20, told BBC Newsbeat he paid £25 for parking and arrived at the venue to be handed one of the pieces of paper.
He said: "I'm thinking, is this real? Why isn't it online? It was very unprofessional, I couldn't believe it almost, like is this the way we're finding out that it's been cancelled?"
Yasin said he had been looking forward to attending the show and had been listening to the rapper's music "on repeat" for two weeks.
"It makes me question future events, if they're going to be planned properly or if it's going to be organised enough", he added.
The venue later put the cancellation down to a part of the heating and ventilation system coming loose during the soundcheck before Wednesday's show.

Yasin paid £25 for parking before finding out the gig was cancelled
Fan Katie Barnsley, who travelled up from Kent for the gig, found out it had been cancelled just as she was about to get a tram from Manchester city centre to the arena in the Etihad Campus.
The 28-year-old insurance broker had travelled up from near Dover with her partner and his sister, and estimated they had spent around £600 on tickets, accommodation and petrol.
She said: "We were going on the tram and were asking the attendant how we got to the campus and he said, 'Don't bother, it's been cancelled'.
"Then I went on Twitter and saw the tweet from the arena."
Ms Barnsley said she had been apprehensive about travelling to Manchester because of the cancellation of earlier gigs at the venue but had been reassured by recent tweets from Co-op Live saying other shows would be going ahead.
Comedian Peter Kay had been due to open the venue last week but his shows have now been postponed twice, while a concert by US rock band The Black Keys has also already been scrapped.

Some fans found out about Wednesday's cancellation on social media. The venue posted at 18:40 that the show would no longer go ahead - which was 10 minutes after doors had been due to open.
Others heard when the news spread by word of mouth outside.
"We found out from other members of the public telling us, to save us from queuing up - not that there were any actual management telling us," said Radhika, 17, from Manchester.
"I just think personally it's bad management, bad organisation."

A letter was handed to fans outside the arena
Zack, also 17, had come from Blackpool for the show. "I'm on crutches and we queued up for about two hours, wasting our time," he said.
"They came out with these sheets of paper saying 'we're sorry about this', but we'd found out already from people shouting, people running around shouting that it's cancelled before they [the staff] even came out themselves."
Teoni Kirkham, 21, said: "We literally hopped out of our Uber and just saw everybody turning around and walking the opposite way. We found out literally when we got here.
"It's just messy, really. It seems like there's no organisation. With Ticketmaster on my phone, I thought, surely if it's been cancelled I would have got notification. They've not done a good job I don't think."

"We knew that the other ones had been cancelled last week," added Lucas Sheriff, who had travelled from Sheffield. "So we were a bit unsure whether this was going to get cancelled." The eventual announcement was "very last minute", he said.
"If we'd found out at least in the afternoon, we would have been a bit less disappointed."
Jamie Cornwall, 21, had come from Lincoln, and also found out on the way to the venue. "I got sent away by the security and told to go back home," he said.
"Technical issues? You'd think they would have solved that. I know a few events have already been cancelled. So it's not great. You see all these sad faces everywhere."
A Boogie Wit Da Hoodie, real name Julius Dubose, wrote on social media: "Something happened with the venue while I was at soundcheck today that caused cancellation of the show.
"We are working on rescheduling in the next few days.
"I'm heated about the situation too, but safety first Manchester, I got you, just stay tuned for further info."
A spokesman for the venue said: "We appreciate the inconvenience this will cause for many, and are deeply sorry for all those impacted."
 
So the government have allocated another ~£200k for the police to go on holiday to the Algarve the Madeline McCann investigation.
Responding to a parliamentary written question by Conservative peer Lord Black of Brentwood, Lord Sharpe said: “For the year 2024-25 the Home Office has agreed to provide up to £192,000 to the Metropolitan Police Service through special grant funding for Operation Grange, the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

“At March 31 2024, the total cost of the investigation was £13.2 million.”
 
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