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A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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Why did it take seven years to sack the drug-taking, orgy-loving Met detective in the elite rape squad… and why has he kept his pension?

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  • Warren Arter was suspended after being investigated over anonymous claims
  • It was alleged he abused his position, attended drug parties and supplied drugs
  • It is estimated he earned around £400,000 since he was suspended over claims
The crime-fighting charity Crimestoppers received an anonymous tip-off in January 2016. A detective in one of Scotland Yard's elite 'Sapphire' units, which investigates rapes and serious sexual offences, had had 'inappropriate' relationships with sex victims.

The report referred to two women — and further alleged the officer was dating another vulnerable woman whom he'd met during his latest job attached to a Metropolitan Police Community Safety Unit (CSU), which probes domestic abuse and hate crime.

The intelligence was referred to the force's 'Line Of Duty' anti-corruption squad, and the officer identified as a recently promoted detective inspector in his mid-40s, Warren Arter.

Ironically enough, several years earlier, the accused officer had been commended for his team's 'outstanding' work in achieving the best detection rate in the Met for serious sexual offences.

A covert operation was set up to probe the claims. Several months later, senior figures in the Met's Directorate of Professional Standards (DPS) decided there was sufficient evidence to arrest Arter on suspicion of alleged misconduct in public office.

So it was that one cold, foggy Tuesday morning in December 2016, Arter's colleagues were waiting to take him into custody when he returned from a holiday in Las Vegas and Jamaica.

Neighbours recall a police van being parked around the corner at 6.30am and sniffer dogs being deployed at his semi-detached house in a quiet suburban street in South-East London. They watched as the newly married Arter was taken away to be quizzed.

What police discovered during the subsequent search of his property would send shockwaves through the DPS.

It soon transpired that Arter had had 'inappropriate' contact with other victims of crime. He was also a regular cocaine user, had possibly supplied the substance to others and had attended drug and sex parties where he turned a blind eye to wrongdoing.

His phone and its protective case tested positive for traces of cocaine, but police were initially thwarted in their attempts to examine his electronic devices after London-born Arter provided them with false PIN codes.

His arrest should have marked the swift end to his career in the Met, which he had joined in 1996. But, in an indictment of the police disciplinary process, it would take a further seven years — during which time Arter was suspended on full pay at a total cost of around £400,000 — for him to be sacked.

In May, after he was finally dismissed for gross misconduct, Chief Superintendent Trevor Lawry, of the Met, said: 'Being a warranted officer is a privilege, one that DI Arter has abused . . . It is right that he has been held to account for his actions and will now no longer be a police officer.'

But why did it take so long for justice to catch up with Arter, now 53, the tattoo-clad detective who posed bare-chested in a selfie obtained by the Mail?

And why, despite what appears to be clear evidence of criminal conduct, including pictures of drugs paraphernalia and texts to a suspected cocaine dealer found on his phone, was he not prosecuted in court?

By escaping criminal charges, the £60,000-a-year disgraced officer will one day be eligible to claim a significant portion of his police pension.

The Mail has spent weeks investigating the latest scandal to engulf Sir Mark Rowley's Metropolitan Police following the jailing of disgraced former officers Wayne Couzens and David Carrick for murder and serial rape respectively. Today, we reveal the astonishing story of how another officer descended into serial drug abuse, sordid sex and lawlessness.

With exclusive access to confidential police documents, statements, pictures of drugs parties and other evidence — including text messages seized from Arter's phone — our revelations raise serious questions about the supervision, or lack of it, of the playboy detective as he worked on sensitive squads. It also exposes the woeful inadequacies of the protracted police disciplinary process.

Pictures of his drug-ravaged appearance obtained by this newspaper are in sharp contrast to his clean-cut image on his police warrant card and in a local newspaper article from his time in the Sapphire unit, when his team were praised for their detection rates.

A former colleague in the Met's Sapphire team in Bexley, South-East London, said: 'I only found out about Warren [his crimes] from the force website about five or six weeks ago . . . I was completely shocked when someone told me what he'd done.'

So where did it all go wrong?

In February 2015, Arter — whose father was recently honoured by the King for outstanding public service — was promoted to detective inspector following his successful spell in the Met's rape command.

But by December the following year, his life was in ruins after he was arrested — accused of 'abusing his position for a sexual purpose' (APSP) with victims of sexual offences between 2006 and 2013.

A number of electronic devices were retrieved from his home. Mysteriously, his personal phone had been returned to factory settings before it was downloaded by detectives. It was not possible to identify when exactly it was wiped, how, where or by whom.

He also provided the incorrect Pin for his iPad via his representatives. The Met eventually accessed it and discovered he may have been using class A drugs and may also have offered to supply to a woman.

Police looked at his phone records and inquiries established he had been at a property where regular drug parties took place.

A few weeks before his arrest, Arter exchanged the following messages with a woman whom the Mail is not naming:

Arter: 'We have four lines of coke left I will bring them up x.'

Woman: 'Mmmn you little **** xx.'

Arter: 'You love it.'

Woman: 'I do.'

Between November 18 and December 5, 2016, he was abroad, first in Las Vegas then in Jamaica.

According to a police document, on arrival in the U.S. he searched on his iPad 'for the best place to buy drugs in Vegas' and looked at two web pages relating to buying cocaine.

While in Jamaica on December 3, 2016, he used his iPad to search for 'purple anchor e pill' and 'purple anchor ecstasy'.

Like a plot from the BBC's Line Of Duty detective drama series, the more anti-corruption officers delved, the more disturbing evidence they uncovered. Did his colleagues previously turn a blind eye to any suspicious behaviour?

As his career came under closer scrutiny, it emerged that in late 2007 and early 2008, Arter was involved in investigating a fraud in which he was the victim.

According to a police document, he accessed and made changes to the investigation crime report, left supervisory reviews and gave instructions to the investigating officers.

An allegation was also made that Arter used derogatory and inappropriate language about victims in front of his team. His behaviour apparently got worse while he was suspended on full pay following his arrest.

By 2018, the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) was involved in the case, prompting a further arrest of the suspended detective for two criminal offences: supplying or offering to supply controlled drugs to others, and corrupt or other improper exercise of police powers and privileges. He declined to answer any questions and didn't provide a written response later.

It soon became clear he had not cleaned up his lifestyle. As he was not working but still on full pay, taxpayers appear to have been feeding his cocaine habit. Among the items seized from his home was a 'grip seal' plastic bag containing powder residue, found in a chest of drawers in his bedroom, which tested positive for cocaine and MDMA.

Another bag, found in his dressing gown, contained powder residue and tested positive for cocaine.

Also discovered was a set of digital scales with white powder residue (cocaine) near his television console.

Police further discovered he had taken and stored a number of seemingly incriminating photographs on his mobile phone, including one of a mirror with three lines of white powder, a card and white straw on it, resting on the coffee table in his living room.

He was tested for heroin and cocaine, and came back positive for the latter.

He disputed the results and was tested again for cocaine, which again came back positive.

Line Of Duty detectives also discovered he had exchanged sordid text messages referring to unprotected sex and orgies. Some of those he had contact with used a notorious website for swingers, sources say. A search of his phone showed he exchanged a series of messages on Kik messenger, an instant-messaging and social-networking app, with an individual calling themselves 'ariel2110 T D'. Arter had the username 'wozup69'.

One exchange involving the officer shortly before his arrest was particularly distasteful:

Wozup69: Naughtier the better.

Wozup69: As long as none (sic) gets hurt I'm up for any thing.

Ariel: Drunk sex is the filthiest sex with me lol.

Wozup69: Mmmmm I ****ing love a pissed up **** x.

Wozup69: Naught (sic) situations do it for me . . . if it's bad it's good x.

Ariel: Lol I have to be careful because of work.

Wozup69: Same.

Wozup69: Discretion is a must.

Wozup69: I like a few lines . . . party atmosphere . . . good banter . . . Drink . . . Filth . . . party . . . More filth

Ariel: I don't do drugs ever.

Wozup69: I don't need them and I respect your preference so I won't when with you.

He also exchanged messages in October 2018 about his liking for drugs with a person calling herself 'Bunnygirl1964 Te Amo'.

But it got worse. The Met discovered that since his arrest in 2016, Arter had been present at gatherings where he witnessed people possess and consume controlled drugs including cocaine and GHB/GLH. At no stage did he report any of these individuals for drugs offences.

On August 6, 2018, he exchanged emails with a mystery man known on his phone as 'Oz', whom police believe was his cocaine supplier.

Arter: 'Hey Oz, Woz here . . . hope you are well . . . Mate when are you seeing that guy again as want to buy the same again from him . . . £110. Can you let me know buddy.'

In total, he was alleged to have been in possession of and/or consumed controlled drugs on 21 stated occasions.

In March 2020, more than three years after his first arrest, Arter was served with a further and final notice of investigation outlining scores of drugs allegations.

He was also formally notified about the evidence relating to his alleged pestering of female victims of crime.

One IOPC document, seen by the Mail, said: 'There is an indication that from 2006 onwards, during his time working as a police officer on the Sapphire and CSU units, he engaged in inappropriate contact and developed inappropriate relationships with a number of vulnerable women.

'In a number of instances, he was the case supervisor or OIC [officer in charge] of the investigation into the women's allegations.

'There is an indication he failed to ensure the allegations made by all of these women were properly investigated.

'It has been alleged by multiple witnesses that while he worked in the Sapphire rape command, on occasions between 2009 and 2014 he engaged in inappropriate conversations and used inappropriate and derogatory language when referring to victims of serious sexual offences, in front of other police officers.'

For reasons that remain unclear, it would be a further three years before Arter was thrown out of the Met. At the three-day misconduct tribunal in May, he watched the first day of the proceedings remotely and snubbed the rest of the hearing.

The files seen by the Mail appear to show compelling evidence of criminality yet prosecutors declined to take him to court, where, if convicted, he would have lost much of his police pension. Citing 'personal information', the Met declined to say when Arter will be able to claim his pension. 'We can offer no reportable information on such matters about specific officers,' it said.

In a statement, the Crown Prosecution Service said: 'We received a file of evidence from the IOPC in June 2020 following an investigation into allegations of drug offences. In September 2020, following a careful review, we concluded the case did not pass the evidential test to provide a realistic prospect of conviction.

'It is not the function of the CPS to decide whether a person is guilty of a criminal offence, but to make fair, independent and objective assessments of the evidence in accordance with our legal test.'

The Met is still considering whether Arter should face a misconduct board over his 'inappropriate' contact with victims and vulnerable women. Given that he has already been sacked, senior officers might decide it is not in the public interest to take further action.

An IOPC spokesperson said: 'This was a complex investigation, involving historic allegations, over several years, and multiple victims. In August 2020 we concluded our investigation and determined that DI Arter had a case to answer for gross misconduct and sent a referral to the CPS for a charging decision for misconduct in public office; the CPS decided not to charge.'

Many former colleagues believe he has got off lightly.

Former Met chief superintendent Phil Flower, who once worked in the DPS, is scathing of how long it took to bring Arter to justice. He demands: 'Why were his managers not aware of his conduct? There appears to have been a failure of supervision at every level. It should not have been allowed to get to this stage.'

A senior Scotland Yard source, who has detailed knowledge of the Arter case, was even more furious.

The source said: 'This man's behaviour has been disgusting and reprehensible. The fact that he was allowed to perform duty dealing with such vulnerable people, and go undetected so long, shames the Met. Without doubt he should've faced criminal trial and the dubious quality of the IOPC investigation means once again the public suffer.'
 

An Asda checkout worker who was kicked up the backside by a 'smirking' female colleague has won his sex discrimination case after he argued a man 'would have been sacked on the spot'.

Choon Seng Goh and his colleague Mercy Asante 'joked and laughed' but were 'never close' while working together at the supermarket in Croydon, south London, an employment tribunal heard.

But things got out of hand after Ms Asante 'humiliated' him when she kicked him up the backside and walked away laughing, the hearing was told.

On another occasion, she kneed him in the backside, forcing him to see his GP.

In their initial investigation of the claims, Asda bosses said the co-workers had a 'very playful/banter relationship'.

But Mr Goh argued it had not been banter but 'bullying' or 'harassment' - and reiterated his complaint was of sex discrimination.

Now Mr Goh is in line to receive compensation after a judge ruled Asda's investigation had been 'seriously flawed' and the supermarket had discriminated against him on the grounds of his gender.

Bosses took months to start investigating his claims before eventually finding the woman who booted him from behind, Mercy Asante, had 'no case to answer', the hearing was told.

Mr Goh had started working at the Croydon branch in December 2010.

The tribunal heard that while at his checkout in January 2019, Ms Asante 'kicked him in the backside', although Mr Goh didn't report it at the time as he thought it was 'a one off'.

However, in February Ms Asante then 'kneed' him in the backside with enough force that he 'jolted forward' and later needed to see his GP.

The tribunal, held in south London, heard this left him feeling 'angry and humiliated' and so he reported the 'unacceptable' incident to his manager.

In a statement, Mr Goh wrote: 'I feel that Mercy's behaviour was inappropriate and my concern is that she might be doing this to other colleagues and [could] cause harm.'

A colleague reported the incident, saying Ms Asante's knee had caused 'immediate distress and injury' to a 'shocked' Mr Goh.

However, the panel heard that following Mr Goh's complaint 'nothing was done' by his manager over the following months.

When Mr Goh overheard colleagues in June talking about him being kicked, he was 'upset' and approached the store manager, who told him to re-submit his complaint.

That month he sent an 'identical' copy of his February complaint, which caused a 'fact-finding' process to be initiated.

When interviewed by managers and asked about his relationship with Ms Asante, Mr Goh said they 'joked and laughed' but were 'never close'.

He recounted the first incident where Ms Asante 'smirked' at him as as she walked away from kicking his backside and said he had 'no idea' why she had done it.

Telling bosses about being kneed, he said it had been 'eight out of 10' on the pain scale and he'd had problems with his bowel since.

Ms Asante was interviewed by a different manager and said she did not remember hitting Mr Goh, claiming the pair 'always hit and punch each other as a joke'.

She was told she 'shouldn't take these jokes to another level and be aggressive'.

After three 'fact-finding' meetings had taken place with Mr Goh, Ms Asante and another witness, the tribunal ruled it was 'entirely unclear' who was in charge of the investigation.

At a mediation hearing that December, Ms Asante then claimed Mr Goh had touched her breasts - something he strongly refuted and said was 'completely untrue'.

The tribunal heard that following this he took out a formal grievance, saying he should be able to attend work 'free of inappropriate conduct, violence, discriminatory bullying behaviour and offensive language, gestures or conduct'.

Mr Goh was 'furious' it had taken nearly a year for a 'serious complaint' to be acknowledged and addressed, it was heard.

At a formal grievance meeting he claimed the matter would have been dealt with quicker 'had he not been male' - and had a man done what was alleged they would have been 'sacked on the spot'.

After more meetings, Ms Asante was issued with disciplinary counselling and it was decided she had 'no case to answer'.

The investigation concluded Ms Asante had a 'very playful/banter relationship' with Mr Goh and said of their investigation that 'gender had not come into it'.

In May 2020, Mr Goh appealed against the rejection of his grievance.

He said the incidents had not been 'banter' and also said Ms Asante had 'groped his private parts', but he had been too embarrassed to mention it previously.

However, he was told his appeal grounds 'were not clear' and he had to re-submit them - something the tribunal found was unnecessary because his reasons were 'clearly articulated'.

At the appeal hearing, Mr Goh argued it had not been banter but 'bullying' or 'harassment' - and reiterated his complaint was of sex discrimination.

He suggested that if 'genders had been reversed' it would have been dealt with differently, but his appeal was rejected.

It was then he launched legal proceedings against Asda.

The tribunal panel ruled the sex of the perpetrator was a 'relevant circumstance'.

Addressing Asda's handling of his complaint, Employment Judge Stephen Heath said: 'We have little difficulty accepting Mr Goh's complaints were not taken seriously.

'We further accept Asda subjected the claimant to a detriment by not taking his complaint seriously in this time period.

'This was not simply an unjustified sense of grievance, Mr Goh was entitled to feel that his welfare and safety were not being accorded any significance by his employer.'

Ruling the grievance had been 'mismanaged', he added: 'There was no proper attempt to grapple with the core part of his complaint, namely, that had he been a woman his complaints would have been dealt with differently.'

'We conclude that the appeal hearing and its outcome was mismanaged. The focus was not on addressing his complaints... the outcome was significantly flawed in that it did not address a crucial element of the complaint.'

The tribunal therefore found Asda had not taken the assaults seriously, delayed the investigation, not interviewed all relevant people and mismanaged the grievance and appeal processes.

He won claims of direct sex discrimination.

A remedy hearing to decide on how much compensation he receives will take place at a later date.

An Asda spokesperson said: 'We acknowledge that our established processes for dealing with complaints of this nature were not followed in a timely manner on this occasion. We have taken learnings from this to help avoid this happening again.'
 
The surname is Kenyan and many Christian Africans pick virtues as names.
Interesting. With the name of the man involved looks like it's Kenyan on Chinese action. So we know now that when the Asda HR team get that problem on their desk they move to sex to decide who's in the wrong.
 
Interesting. With the name of the man involved looks like it's Kenyan on Chinese action. So we know now that when the Asda HR team get that problem on their desk they move to sex to decide who's in the wrong.
And considering how big Africans are compared to Asians there's a good chance she really did physically harm him by kneeing him someplace sensitive. Hulking woman on manlet violence indeed.
 
The daughter of Capt Sir Tom Moore has been told to knock down an unauthorised building used as a spa after a planning application was rejected.
Hannah Ingram-Moore and her husband used the Captain Tom Foundation name on the first plans for the building, with later revised plans turned down.
The charity is also no longer taking donations or making payments due to an ongoing inquiry into its finances.
Ms Ingram-Moore and the foundation have been contacted for comment.
Central Bedfordshire Council said the demolition order was subject to an appeal to the Planning Inspectorate.
The Army veteran walked 100 laps of his Bedfordshire garden at the start of the first coronavirus lockdown in 2020, raising £33m for NHS Charities Together.
Capt Sir Tom, who was born in Keighley, West Yorkshire, died in 2021 aged 100.
After he became an international figure, his family set up a separate charity in his name.
In a statement on the Captain Tom Foundation website, the charity said its "sole focus...is to ensure that it cooperates fully with the on-going statutory inquiry by the Charity Commission".
"As a result, The Captain Tom Foundation is not presently actively seeking any funding from donors. Accordingly, we have also taken the decision to close all payment channels whilst the statutory inquiry remains open," it said.

The statement added that when the inquiry concluded it would "be in a better position to make a decision in relation to its future".
When the inquiry was started a year ago, the Charity Commission said "concerns have mounted" over the charity and independence from a business run by Capt Sir Tom's family.
Hannah Ingram-Moore is the youngest of Capt Sir Tom's two daughters and lived with the Army veteran at the family home in Marston Moretaine, Bedfordshire.
It has emerged the Ingram-Moores requested planning permission for a "Captain Tom Foundation Building", which was "for use by occupiers... and Captain Tom Foundation", according to documents submitted to Central Bedfordshire Council in August 2021.
The local authority granted permission for the single-storey structure to be built on the tennis courts at the Grade II-listed home, as first reported in The Sun.
Then, in February 2022, the family submitted revised plans for the already partly constructed building, which called it the "Captain Tom Building".
The plans included a spa pool, toilets and a kitchen, which the Design & Access and Heritage Statement said was "for private use".
In November 2022, Central Bedfordshire Council refused the retrospective planning permission for the revised plans.
A council spokesperson said: "An enforcement notice requiring the demolition of the now-unauthorised building was issued and this is now subject to an appeal to the Planning Inspectorate."
The Captain Tom Moore Foundation did not respond to the BBC's request for comment on the planning application, but told The Sun the trustees were unaware and "would not have authorised" the plans had they known.

Wasn't enough that she basically killed him for a free holiday, but then has to shit all over his legacy as well.
 
The school run by a head teacher who took her own life after a critical Ofsted report has been rated as good after a new inspection.
Ruth Perry died in January after being told Caversham Primary School in Berkshire was being downgraded from outstanding to inadequate.
The school was re-inspected after Ms Perry's death, which prompted an outpouring of anger about the system.
Ofsted has defended its one-word grades, which are not being scrapped.
The watchdog inspected the school again in June in line with government guidelines to monitor schools that need to improve - and not as a result of Ms Perry's death.
In their latest report, seen by the BBC, the watchdog said: "The school's work to address previous weaknesses has been swift, thorough and effective."
The primary school was initially inspected in November 2022 and subsequently rated inadequate after concerns were raised over leadership and management.
Ms Perry's family said the inspection process caused her significant distress.
 
That doesn't read very well. Are they implying that the reason for the inadequate rating was because of the previous head-teacher?
The primary school was initially inspected in November 2022 and subsequently rated inadequate after concerns were raised over leadership and management.
I'm sure I've no idea what they meant by this.

Meanwhile in Scotland they're come up with a novel idea for how to lower their crime figures regarding drugs. Just legalise them.


Downing Street today dismissed demands from Scottish ministers for the decriminalisation of all drugs for personal use.

A new policy paper has urged the UK to loosen laws or give Holyrood more powers over the system north of the border.

The SNP has come under heavy fire over its failure to tackle drugs issues in Scotland, with the death rate the worst in Europe.

But the latest proposals argue that decriminalising possession for personal use would allow addiction to be treated as a 'health' issue rather than a matter for the courts.

They also suggest people in recovery would have a better chance of getting jobs without criminal records.

However, Rishi Sunak's official spokesman gave the push short shrift, saying there are 'no plans to alter our tough stance on drugs'.

A source close to Home Secretary Suella Braverman warned the plan were 'irresponsible and would do untold damage to our neighbourhoods'.

Labour also rejected the idea, with shadow chancellor Rachel Reeves saying she was 'stunned' it was an SNP 'priority'.

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The document outlined measures which could be implemented through further devolution, independence, or UK Government action.

It suggested this would allow Scotland to push ahead with initiatives such as supervised drug consumption facilities.

The paper back updating the drug classification system based on harms caused.

The idea of a 'regulated' market for drugs supply is also floated, although it stresses Scottish ministers do not currently 'advocate' the policy.

'While we do not currently advocate for this policy, implementing a more evidence-based approach to drugs policy could be the basis for considering the potential of introducing regulated markets for the reduction of harm and the safe control of substances,' the paper said.

'This could be supported by a Citizens' Assembly to consider the evidence and give a perspective from a representative sample of the public.

'This would enable a mature, informed conversation about the level of regulation and control that we as a society are comfortable with for substances, based on an expert assessment of their relative harms.'


Scotland's Drugs Policy minister Elena Whitham said the proposals could 'save lives'.

'We want to create a society where problematic drug use is treated as a health, not a criminal matter, reducing stigma and discrimination and enabling the person to recover and contribute positively to society,' she said.

'While we know these proposals will spark debate, they are in line with our public health approach and would further our national mission to improve and save lives.

'We are working hard within the powers we have to reduce drug deaths, and while there is more we need to do, our approach is simply at odds with the Westminster legislation we must operate within.'

But a source close to the Home Secretary said: 'Illegal drugs destroy lives and communities.

'The SNP proposals are irresponsible and would do untold damage to our neighbourhoods.

'This Government's focus is on protecting people and preventing lives from being ruined - we've absolutely no intention of decriminalising illegal drug use.'

Asked during a visit to Scotland whether Labour would implement it, Ms Reeves said: 'The short answer is no. I don't think this sounds like a good policy.

'I find it quite stunning that this would be a priority for the Scottish Government when we're here today talking about the Tory mortgage bombshell and what we would do to address that.

'We're here meeting people training to do jobs in the industries of the future.

'We've got more than 700,000 people in Scotland on NHS waiting lists – pick an issue.'

Scottish Labour leader Anas Sarwar said drug deaths are three times as high in Scotland as elsewhere in the UK despite the same drugs laws, while Ms Reeves added that it was not a 'constitutional issue'.

I had to listen to what sounded like a figure of minor nobility point out in the world's poshest accent that the SNP do not understand that when it comes to distribution drug dealers do not personally wander around with their entire stash in their pockets waiting for the police to search them and instead distribute them into smaller amounts for delivery specifically because they knew the Scottish police already aren't arresting people caught with "personal" amounts of drugs on them. And he's fucking right despite sounding like a man who attends weekly fox hunts.

It's another SNP effort to cry about Westminister not letting them do what they want which can only be solved by independence.
 
It's another SNP effort to cry about Westminister not letting them do what they want which can only be solved by independence.
Let them go, cut them off, and build a new wall on the border. Can call it the Sunak Wall. And if/when they try and cross, the English can start staffing it with Gurkhas and pay them by the ear.
 
Personally, I would legalise cannabis in Scotland and flood the country with as much cheap weed as possible. We know that the Scottish are cheap bastards, so they'll take the free weed over paying for some crack or heroine.

Problem of drug deaths solved.
They've been de facto legalising it for about 3 or 4 years now by the police never referring people to prosecutors. As the Labour member quoted notes they have 3 times the drug related deaths of elsewhere in the UK despite the same laws, which likely is in part due to shitty enforcement of those laws. Outright legalising it could see that increase greatly.
Let them go, cut them off, and build a new wall on the border. Can call it the Sunak Wall. And if/when they try and cross, the English can start staffing it with Gurkhas and pay them by the ear.
Damnit you changed it from Sikhs before I could suggest to do so.
That said we have better jobs for the Gurkahs.

Honestly if the Scots go wholesale drug legalisation then a wall might be needed.
 
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