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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.
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It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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FedPostalService said:
I would move to New Zealand but they’re all really faggy and all those sheep might start making me feel some unnatural desires.
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They put something in the water. Just don't drink from the tap and you won't be wanting to bugger any sheep.

FedPostalService said:
If you’re a Tory then you’d better have a career you can fall back on as there’s no corrupt network like that for you.
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If you're a Tory no-talent and lose your seat, you get a job on GBNews (i.e. Miriam Cates) or TalkTV (i.e. Jonathan Gullis).
If you're a Lib Dem no-talent and lose your seat, the party make you a Lord.
 
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@EddyRooney What you say is mostly true (barring the part about her being a Sweaty Sock which I don't understand and don't want to). However, I feel a little differently than you about the student loans / going to university. 18 year olds often aren't able to make a proper decision about this for a couple of reasons. One is that the brain is still developing significantly at 18. The other is that unlike in olden days, an 18 year old typically has zero relevant life experience. The expansion of school years up to 18, the living at home without working... They simply have no background in which to assess their choice against alternatives. The Higher Education industry nabs them just before they start to become capable of understanding alternatives and they're just slid along by their teachers and careers advisers into the University system which everyone else around them is also going into.

The idea that you might be capable of getting into university and choosing not to do so, is a pretty radical one that is only just starting to gain traction. A person in their mid twenties or later and has these attitudes I start to view as you do. But 18 year olds are idiots and the universities and loan companies treat them as such. Once they hit that magic 18 they become legally targetable as adults in all sorts of ways, even though they lack the experience and development to act as such.
 
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@EddyRooney What you say is mostly true (barring the part about her being a Sweaty Sock which I don't understand and don't want to). However, I feel a little differently than you about the student loans / going to university. 18 year olds often aren't able to make a proper decision about this for a couple of reasons. One is that the brain is still developing significantly at 18. The other is that unlike in olden days, an 18 year old typically has zero relevant life experience. The expansion of school years up to 18, the living at home without working... They simply have no background in which to assess their choice against alternatives. The Higher Education industry nabs them just before they start to become capable of understanding alternatives and they're just slid along by their teachers and careers advisers into the University system which everyone else around them is also going into.

The idea that you might be capable of getting into university and choosing not to do so, is a pretty radical one that is only just starting to gain traction. A person in their mid twenties or later and has these attitudes I start to view as you do. But 18 year olds are idiots and the universities and loan companies treat them as such. Once they hit that magic 18 they become legally targetable as adults in all sorts of ways, even though they lack the experience and development to act as such.
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Sweaty Sock = Jock

Wrt the rest, having wasted sums of money on a degree myself I would strongly advise any young person to find a degree apprenticeship instead. 5 years of earning a wage and gathering workplace experience and you get a Bachelor's at the end of it vs 3 years of running up scads of debt for the same degree
 
Never seen the massive appeal to Australia myself, besides the nice weather and beaches, but that gets boring (personally).

If you leave your home country simply because it’s woke then I feel you’re on the same level of retardation as “the woke”, granted it was also economy.

Maybe it’s due to being raised/living around the Capital that I don’t see the massive appeal of big countries like Australia or America, it would be an amazing experience to travel and potentially live temporarily but the convenience of the Capital/South is just too good/cosy for me and I would miss it.

I should start preparing to show my ID for more than 3 bars of chocolate, government might one day say I’m too much of a lardass to qualify for purchase, lovely dystopia!
 
It's a funny cycle really, my parents moved over to the UK when I was a wee babber for work as the economy down under was in the shitter at the time. Now I've returned for pretty much exactly the same reasons.

Cozzie livs in Australia is pretty much on par with the UK these days with the food being a bit more expensive. The wages however are much higher I would say.
 
Chaotic Pizzaparty said:
They are trying to replace it with AI but don't realize the problems that will entail politically or economically for them, also AI is very far from being that good it is mostly a creative engine at the moment.
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I was hoping the AI fascination had left with tech bro Rishi but Starmer's been banging on about it. Both sides of the aisle clearly see it as a silver bullet to fix the bloated public sector, but very clearly what will happen is the genius minds behind "let's give Mauritius the Chagos Islands, and then also a load of money" will end up doing the shittiest possible AI implementation, and then we'll all be stuck in a Kafkaesque nightmare of arguing with computers that keep hallucinating the wrong answer.
 
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@EddyRooney What you say is mostly true (barring the part about her being a Sweaty Sock which I don't understand and don't want to). However, I feel a little differently than you about the student loans / going to university. 18 year olds often aren't able to make a proper decision about this for a couple of reasons. One is that the brain is still developing significantly at 18. The other is that unlike in olden days, an 18 year old typically has zero relevant life experience. The expansion of school years up to 18, the living at home without working... They simply have no background in which to assess their choice against alternatives. The Higher Education industry nabs them just before they start to become capable of understanding alternatives and they're just slid along by their teachers and careers advisers into the University system which everyone else around them is also going into.

The idea that you might be capable of getting into university and choosing not to do so, is a pretty radical one that is only just starting to gain traction. A person in their mid twenties or later and has these attitudes I start to view as you do. But 18 year olds are idiots and the universities and loan companies treat them as such. Once they hit that magic 18 they become legally targetable as adults in all sorts of ways, even though they lack the experience and development to act as such.
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Is every 18 year old an orphan now ? Or do they all just hate their parents and don't want to talk to them ? Is the government their surrogate parents in some Big Brother style Orwellian nightmare ?
When I was at that age, I took on board the advice of my parents, friends and teachers before making the decision. In fairness for me at the time it was an absolute no brainer to go to university, it was the logical thing to do. I was incredibly fotunate ( or was it the result of hard work ? ) that the university I applied to dropped the grades required for me to go because they really wanted me there and I was awarded a scholarship, so in effect I was paid to go.
But my point is I talked with my parents about it. I had enough common sense at 18 to realise running up a pile of debt to secure a degree that wouldn't raise my earning potential was absolute folly. As it was, a degree was required for me to enter into my chosen profession. The university was also the best place for me to pursue my international sporting ambitions. Both my parents worked, so I wasn't required to contribute to the houshold whilst on my studies ( I appreciate not all students have that freedom ). So realistically there were only positives to me going.
Do 18 year olds not have conversations with their parents along the lines of what I've outlined above ? Is there no heirarchy in their decision making ? What I mean is, I would consider the advice of my immediate family and hold it in greater influence than whatever the government, or a third party organisation with a vested interest advises me. Don't get me wrong, if it's a medical expert or similar, then that would be reasoned in the family discussion, but fundamentally, it would be my decision, as advised by my family and friends, considering the relevant third party expert advice.
Before you say the average 18 year old doesn't think that way - I did. So did all my friends. Also, if you are of the calibre of mind where you are even considering university, you should be able to think critically, weigh up different sources of advice ( consider their bias ) and reach a sensible, logical conclusion.
Personally I think there is a prevalence within society to give people the benefit of the doubt and to compensate them for making their own bad decisions. I don't agree with the concensus that if you make a bad decision, you should be exonerated from the consequences of it. Why should society ( namely other people ) have to bear the burden ? If you went to university and took on debt, then you did so knowingly, why should the expectation be anything other than you pay it back ? There needs to be real world consequences for real world decisions. You can say 18 year olds are still developing and don't understand the consequences of their actions - I think that is naive. I think the majority of young adults do understand, but are reckless, because they expect society to compensate them for the results of their irresponsible behaviour.
 
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EddyRooney said:
Is every 18 year old an orphan now ? Or do they all just hate their parents and don't want to talk to them ? Is the government their surrogate parents in some Big Brother style Orwellian nightmare ?
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The scum of or society boot the kids out their house as soon as they turn 18 and expect the council to house them and feed them with gibs.

Im terrified when I've seen the parenting skills of some middle class parents too.

You had great parents, which means you are also a great parent or will be one one day.

Sadly there’s less parents around like that these days.
 
FedPostalService said:
The scum of or society boot the kids out their house as soon as they turn 18 and expect the council to house them and feed them with gibs.
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Now to be fair, it was several weeks after my 18th birthday my mother threw everything I owned onto the lawn and announced I was now homeless. Maybe she thought I just hadn't got the hint.
 
EddyRooney said:
Before you say the average 18 year old doesn't think that way - I did. So did all my friends. Also, if you are of the calibre of mind where you are even considering university, you should be able to think critically, weigh up different sources of advice ( consider their bias ) and reach a sensible, logical conclusion.
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Yes and no. I went to uni. Back in the days where you got a grant, which wasn’t much (I think mine was about 1800 quid a year which I actually lived off with several part time jobs…) you could take a loan on top of that if you wanted but tuition was free. I think if I’d been looking at 40k in fees alone I’d have made a different choice perhaps, but I went, and I had no idea.

The problem with kids like me was nobody in our family had ever been to university and we were all working class plebs. My parents were supportive but it was a world they knew absolutely nothing about, and so the sum total of their advice was ‘good luck.’ This was pre internet as well. Who could I ask? I didn’t even have an email address until I’d graduated. There was no one to ask.
When I got to the nice posh uni, I realised that everyone else bar maybe 5% of us were from fee paying, public or grammar schools and had parents who had been to uni and knew the system well. They’d had tutors or consultants to help with exams and admissions statements. They knew the system. It was like a different world and I’ll not lie, it made me angry to see just how much better education is if you have money.

The average pleb told they could now go to uni and should go to uni in 1999 or whenever they brought fees in? What kind of advice could a non uni educated parent give? They relied on the school careers people and they were pushing the idea that All Should Go. Most people didn’t have internet access those days. They bought the uni thing hook line and sinker.
 
Otterly said:
The social worker I know who was beaten by one of these rape gangs worked in such a home - one the high intervention types with amazing staff to kid ratios.
The gang would wait outside the building and take the girls. The police did nothing. Even in these homes they aren’t safe.
What we need to do is exterminate the bastards raping kids.
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Seeing how much of the goverment is outright Muslim, methinks Luiginomics is the only approach outside of keeling over and dying.
 
Otterly said:
The average pleb told they could now go to uni and should go to uni in 1999 or whenever they brought fees in? What kind of advice could a non uni educated parent give? They relied on the school careers people and they were pu
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The big problem now is there is that many graduates that even entry level office jobs are looking for degrees.

Plus its nearly impossible for a 16 year old to get a decent entry level job as everyone is expected to be in some form of education until 18.

Apprenticeship or university are pretty much the only two routes now. Anyone who doesn’t could be doomed to a life of low level service sector jobs, which they’ll be pushed out of by immigrants who will work cheaper, especially if Starmer pushed through with the retarded “freedom of movement” for under 25s from the EU.
 
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