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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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That's you, in this thread (not you Eekum, you know who I'm addressing though). You are the smug utopian extremist rejecting any movement in the right direction because it is not TND, right now. If it isn't Oswald Moseley* marching anyone even slightly brown to the gas chambers, this afternoon, it's unacceptable and is rejected.

*Oswald Moseley would not have done this anyway, so you would presumably have rejected him too.

It's not going to happen. It is NEVER going to happen. And even if it did, it won't happen tomorrow, from the position the country and its people are in now. And you sit there and smugly reject all the policies that you supposedly support because they don't go far enough, or the wrong person is suggesting them, as the country goes further and further down the toilet. You refuse to lift a fucking finger to improve this place because it might harm your precious ideological purity. You are a waste of space, politically. You may as well not exist. You contribute nothing, and in fact you are closer to becoming part of the problem. When you don't vote, or participate politically, some leftist out there does in your place. The people in power in this country calculate, correctly, that you can be safely ignored. You pose NO THREAT to the system as you sit there and wait for your delusional utopia while other people risk their lives and liberty to at least try to halt the slide. As a rightist, you fucking disgust me. You are just as much the enemy as Starmer or Rayner. You cause more problems than you solve. Fuck you and your ideological purity. Tell that to the girls getting raped by grooming gangs or troons that you didn't vote for the politicians who promised to end these injustices because they weren't racially pure. I'm sure your high-minded principles will heal their scars.
Yes, it's me.

I am not a 'rightist'. I don't support any policy Badenoch has claimed to support beyond the implementation of the Cass review.

I am however a nationalist. I've got my wee party card. I had a vote in the last SNP leadership election, and even though I preferred Humza Yousuf on policy terms, I did not vote for him because he is not white.

I don't know if the increasing brownination of England obscures this a little, but Scotland is an overwhelmingly white (96% at last census) nation. The political and moral leadership of that nation should not in any circumstances be drawn from less than 4% of the population.

And I was right. Humza spent so much time fannying around about his terrorist in laws in Gaza, and passing ridiculous hate crime laws to suit his fellow paktards, he did sweet fuck all about the things which actually matter to the 96% white population of the nation he was pretending to lead. He flung people out of the party for not supporting the self ID insanity when he himself was carefully missing from the votes, of course he was, because how the fuck can he face his imam and his community after that?

I don't want those values. The value of "this is okay for white devils, but not for my precious Muslim community" isn't a value I want the leader of a white country to display, and I absolutely do not trust any non-white person to govern in the interests of white people when those conflict with their own communities' needs and agendas.

I did not vote for the SNP in any election whilst Humza was leader, and despite my heartfelt wish to remove the Tories at the last GE, I absolutely did not and will not vote Labour whilst Anas Sarwar is in charge. Sarwar sent his sons to a fee paying school but not his daughter, because her education isn't as important. Most of this city knows this story by now. Those are not white values. Those are goatfucker mudhut values, and I will not vote for anyone who has displayed them in their private or public life.

This is a white country and it should be run by white people. Badenoch may say things that 'thuh grassrootz' like now, but when it comes down to it, she will protect the position of people like her own children - third generation nonwhite immigrants - over the needs and priorities of native white people. Her famous 'policy platform' command paper is rammed full of 'diversity audits' and 'equity committees'. Look at what she does, not what she says. She will protect herself and her own kids and people who look like her own kids. That is human fucking nature, and it is fresh pressed organic copium to think otherwise.

I will only vote for white people because white people are Like Me in a way that nonwhite people can never be, regardless of whether we share socioeconomic interests or not. If you think a white PM would have left the D Day commemorations to give fucking interviews, I do not know how to disabuse you of this notion. Brown people can become legally UK citizens. There are often good reasons for that to happen. What they cannot become, without relinquishing entirely their communities, their languages, their religions, their folk customs, absolutely everything that unites them as an immigrant group, is ethnically English, or Scottish, or Welsh.

They cannot become Like Us or One Of Us whilst they still adhere to anything at all that makes them different; and even then only generations of assimilation would make them Like Us. That can never happen in the current UK where people are free to live in their own little communities and wear hijab and have social workers of their own ethnicity and have their own places of worship and all this other fucking 'multicultural' shit.

This is a white country. It has one culture: the culture of indigenous white people of this island. If that is not your culture, whilst there are good arguments to leave you sort-of in peace to practice the least nasty bits of your own culture, you cannot represent ours.

If I married a darkie in Lagos and then I ran for the presidency of Nigeria, do you think the people of Nigeria would be huffing mass copium about my "strong Nigerian values" and how I was really "one of the good ones" and they should "compromise" on having a pure white cracker raised by foreign parents in a foreign nation lead a country she could not possibly understand or belong to, just because I offered some tax breaks?

We all know the answer to that.

It suits a certain whiny section of the left to believe that nationalism, or as they characterise it blood and soil nationalism, only exists on the far right wing of political thought. It absolutely does not. It is not a ''left or right wing" issue. It is the question of how you define your in group. Who then, is your neighbour? Whose team do you belong to when resources have to be shared, when priorities have to be set?

I believe, absolutely, that I will always belong to the white people team before a team of "people with similar tax arrangements to me". That's my team. This is my nation, my nationality, because I was born here to generation upon generation of people who were also born here.

This is my blood. This is my soil. This is my country, and no wog speaks for me in how its future should be shaped.

I don't fall into the trap popular on the right wing of "being racist except for the good ones". There are no good ones. There are only people who are different to me. It is no longer possible to remove all nonwhite people from this island. There are major communities that operate on completely different values and ethics to those of white people, and that's how "girls get raped by grooming gangs". By kowtowing to nonsense about 'cultural difference' and 'not upsetting the applecart', especially when the applecart is being driven by a brown face. This cannot be prevented by allowing brown people to influence how this country runs at a political and administrative level. Not by 'compromising' with whatever goatfucker is thought to be 'one of the good ones'. By keeping brown hands absolutely off the levers of government control in this country.

We get to disagree about this, because that's a white people value. Our culture is that we disagree in a friendly manner here, and neither of us does anything at all to stop the other one voting in a manner we don't agree with. I will defend utterly your right to vote for all the wogs you want.

That particular value isn't all that important in the cultures from which our wog and paktard politicians come. We need to think very long and hard before we fatally poison our political system with people who fundamentally do not believe and respect its institutions and norms.

This is nothing to do with 'ideological purity'. This is to do with identity and community. The most important identity marker in our species, throughout history, has been our ethnic group. Our tribe. Our nation. I believe we cannot allow an outgroup to determine the values of a nation to which they are an outgroup.

You have every right to disagree with me. But I will not lift the master's tools to pull down the master's house.
 
So gentlemen, how fucked do you think the UK will be if Trump wins the US election after Labour decided to run interference and piss him and the American right off?
 
What are you doing, exactly, other than complaining at and about the people who are doing something?

You ARE complicit in destroying the UK.
And what has Kemi done and what is she doing? Her track record is awful, the only thing she consistently rallies against is troon nonsense. She has consistently claimed to be Nigerian to own those pesky libs and been part of a government that's seen record levels of migration (alongside Priti Patel, another overrated politician amongst certain demographics). She has not made a promise to leave the ECHR like Jenrick has, she is not attempting to outflank Reform, she constantly makes gaffes in interviews and is overall a liability. You seem rather adamant that she'll save this country rather than keep the status quo going for as long as she possibly can, why is that?

In case you all also don't realise, we hate Boris too, we hate him and his "Boriswave" of Bomalians that came over to this country during his tenure and have further destroyed the makeup of our towns. Every member of the Tory party who is alive as of this moment has played their part in the destruction of this nation. And I can say this with damn certainty as a Northerner that "civic nationalism" will not save you, your towns will become shitholes of grey mass too.
 
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I don't know if the increasing brownination of England obscures this a little, but Scotland is an overwhelmingly white (96% at last census) nation. The political and moral leadership of that nation should not in any circumstances be drawn from less than 4% of the population.
Have you visited a Scottish city recently? The SNP are full on importing the third world and the next census will panic you.

When they start showing up in your villages it’s too late.

In the meantime, enjoy your civic nationalism!
 
Have you visited a Scottish city recently? The SNP are full on importing the third world and the next census will panic you.

When they start showing up in your villages it’s too late.

In the meantime, enjoy your civic nationalism!
My dude, I live in one. Not in the brown ghettos on the south side though, obviously, white people can't live there. I live in the bits where people don't sell their houses to brown people. I know how many brown people are around, and the shithole they make of everywhere they live.
I do not believe in civic nationalism. I do not vote for brown people or white settlers, I mean English immigrants.
They're not from around here.
The SNP are a busted electoral flush and will not meaningfully survive the next Holyrood election, at which point a literal fucking Pakistani will be imposed on us because "muh diversity" and Scottish Labour did not have the balls to insist on a white man leader. Absolutely fucking ridiculous. People going out to vote for a man who wouldn't even let you in his house because you're a white devil.
 
I did not vote for the SNP in any election whilst Humza was leader
And just to break into that summary.

Did you vote for Sturgeon? Because her white values were to give infinite rapists full access to all the women and girls they wanted as long as they were willing to put on a dress before claiming access to their spaces. And those have been the SNP's values for a while now.
 
And I was right. Humza spent so much time fannying around about his terrorist in laws in Gaza, and passing ridiculous hate crime laws to suit his fellow paktards, he did sweet fuck all about the things which actually matter to the 96% white population of the nation he was pretending to lead. He flung people out of the party for not supporting the self ID insanity when he himself was carefully missing from the votes, of course he was, because how the fuck can he face his imam and his community after that?
Kemi isn't a Muslim. As in so many respects, Islam is its own special thing.

If you think a white PM would have left the D Day commemorations to give fucking interviews, I do not know how to disabuse you of this notion.
I could see Starmer doing this to be fair.
 
So gentlemen, how fucked do you think the UK will be if Trump wins the US election after Labour decided to run interference and piss him and the American right off?
I think the uk will be fine, but perhaps starmer won’t.
I do hope trump gets in. Still not confident re: election though
 
I do not believe in civic nationalism. I do not vote for brown people or white settlers, I mean English immigrants.
On that note where do we carve up our tribal lineages, it's a commie talking point that "we iz all immugrunts 1 luv" but there's no denying the island of mutts hypothesis when all you have to do is check the marriage registry to see how much (local) intermingling there is, can we blood quantum Celticness? am I honorary potatoe person? (God I hope not).
Easiest way would be to base on which football team you cheer for but that risks including diasporoids.
There's very occasionally open musing from Guardian readers over what an Englishness is which sort of tries to pretend to give a toss about the non-british identifiers, otherwise don't see much of it.
 
My dude, I live in one. Not in the brown ghettos on the south side though, obviously, white people can't live there. I live in the bits where people don't sell their houses to brown people. I know how many brown people are around, and the shithole they make of everywhere they live.
I do not believe in civic nationalism. I do not vote for brown people or white settlers, I mean English immigrants.
They're not from around here.
The SNP are a busted electoral flush and will not meaningfully survive the next Holyrood election, at which point a literal fucking Pakistani will be imposed on us because "muh diversity" and Scottish Labour did not have the balls to insist on a white man leader. Absolutely fucking ridiculous. People going out to vote for a man who wouldn't even let you in his house because you're a white devil.
That was a lot of words to say “I’m a dole scrounging porridge wog, I shouldn’t even count as white, my vote shouldn’t matter, the Act of Union was a mistake, the Clearances shouldn’t have just been the Highlands.”
 
On that note where do we carve up our tribal lineages, it's a commie talking point that "we iz all immugrunts 1 luv" but there's no denying the island of mutts hypothesis when all you have to do is check the marriage registry to see how much (local) intermingling there is, can we blood quantum Celticness? am I honorary potatoe person? (God I hope not).
Easiest way would be to base on which football team you cheer for but that risks including diasporoids.
There's very occasionally open musing from Guardian readers over what an Englishness is which sort of tries to pretend to give a toss about the non-british identifiers, otherwise don't see much of it.
The older immigrant groups we had boiled down to two categories:
The first were conquerors who took over the UK, took up ruling-class positions, and then had the natives gradually adopt their language, with the two slowly mixing over centuries as assimilated natives moved up to ruling positions, and the descendants of the conquerors dropped down into the lower classes for various reasons. These are your Angles, Saxons, Normans, and Norsemen.
The second were small groups of migrants who arrived, usually fleeing persecution on the continent, who would assimilate over a couple generations as they mixed with the natives. The best example we have of these are the Huguenots fleeing persecution by French Catholics, or some groups of Belgae fleeing Caesar's conquests of Gaul.

The most important part though, is that with all these groups, the amount of arrivals was small, compared to the level of migration the UK has gotten post-WWII.
The Huguenots that arrived only numbered 50,000 people over multiple decades.
The Angles, Saxons and Jutes that migrated to the British Isles consisted of around 200,000 people over the course of multiple generations.
Only around 30,000 Vikings are believed to have actually settled in England, over multiple generations.
Meanwhile, the amount of migrants that arrived in the UK in 2023 alone was over 1,000,000. In one year.

Assimilation only really works when the amount of arrivals is small; if too many people are arriving too quickly, assimilation becomes impossible for many, many different reasons.
 
Easy way to divide on racial lines:

If you're white, you're alright
If you're black, fuck off back.

As for the Kemi box-tonguers. Enlighten us on how she will improve the country through the policies which she believes in and not because you feel sorry for poor wog woman who plays the race card like a blackjack dealer at a vegas casino.
 
On that note where do we carve up our tribal lineages, it's a commie talking point that "we iz all immugrunts 1 luv" but there's no denying the island of mutts hypothesis when all you have to do is check the marriage registry to see how much (local) intermingling there is, can we blood quantum Celticness? am I honorary potatoe person? (God I hope not).
There's a lot less muttery than is popularly believed, with most people being mostly of native stock, with relatively little admixture from the angles and jutes and so forth. This terrible map should give you a rough idea:

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(I wrote Celtic when I meant Gaelic, so just pretend it starts with a G)

West of the north/south line is predominantly Brythonic and Gaelic. East is more prominently Anglo-Saxon, Norse, and generally Germanic (the Picts were culturally assimilated by the Gaels, who migrated from Ireland to Scotland). The line north/south is not absolute, but is nevertheless a measurable cultural and genetic division. The absolute majority of the population of western England are some form of brythonic or possibly gaelic by ancestry (the Irish did invade a few times), with some small level of anglo-saxon muddled in. East of the line, the population is markedly more mixed, but the predominant ancestry is a mix of brythonic and germanic, with a little bit of franco-norman thrown in for good measure.

Layered on top of that is the cultural legacy of the seven kingdoms of the so-called heptarchy, the borders of which are still visible in the cultural sub-divisions of England. Draw a horizontal line across the north of England from the mouth of the humber. The culture above that line is markedly different from the culture below it. Draw another line from bristol to london and them up to kings lynn and the culture below that line is again markedly different from the culture above it. The most mixed, and therefore least "native" population lives below this line.

So it's pick your poison, really.

(I'm from the green bit.)

This is, of course, all relative. The British Insular cultures developed for centuries after the Saxon migration and later Norman invasion, without the imposition of mass immigration, and are as validly native as any other "protected" culture around the world. The narrative of "we're all immigrants so we should welcome more immigrants today" is a modern invention designed to undercut the cultural unity of the nations of these isles. The fact that they use the same story in Ireland, which saw essentially no immigration other than by English conquest until the 20th century, shows how insincere the whole thing is.
 
Easy way to divide on racial lines:

If you're white, you're alright
If you're black, fuck off back.

As for the Kemi box-tonguers. Enlighten us on how she will improve the country through the policies which she believes in and not because you feel sorry for poor wog woman who plays the race card like a blackjack dealer at a vegas casino.
I have no idea if she will fix the country. My distrust of her though is not because of an aversion of her skin colour but rather because she is a politician and none of them can be trusted until proven otherwise no matter the race or ethnicity.
 
The older immigrant groups
I agree fuck continentals, however what I had in mind were localized garden varieties ala:
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Can you always spot a Scot? How about West Countrymen? How many layers of racialistism can we go down if we really wanted to and would anyone even care?
This is, of course, all relative. The British Insular cultures developed for centuries after the Saxon migration and later Norman invasion, without the imposition of mass immigration, and are as validly native as any other "protected" culture around the world. The narrative of "we're all immigrants so we should welcome more immigrants today" is a modern invention designed to undercut the cultural unity of the nations of these isles. The fact that they use the same story in Ireland, which saw essentially no immigration other than by English conquest until the 20th century, shows how insincere the whole thing is.
Indeed, there were plenty old divisions as reflected by the frequent regional revolts well into early modern times (stuff like the prayer book rebellion/Jacobite risings) but they seem to have experienced a sort of reverse ethnogenesis, long gone are the likes of West Saxons and Cumbrians to be replaced by doughy terms like Scouser and Ulster Scots which are based more on urban dwelling/mere accent than any sense of shared blood and soil.
Actual racial tensions with utter interlopers from India make these lines even less solid which is why @isalaide mentioning English carpetbaggers in the same league as Kemi makes me go hmmm. Maybe it's just a salty jock thing.
 
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I have no idea if she will fix the country. My distrust of her though is not because of an aversion of her skin colour but rather because she is a politician and none of them can be trusted until proven otherwise no matter the race or ethnicity.
Why defend her then?
 
Does anyone know where to get a good fucking roast beef in this country? All the supermarkets are selling grisly crap that's been rolled to disguise it. Even Marks and Sparks are doing it.
I've got a bint who's always complaining about it even though she just keeps buying the crap anyway.
I - on the other hand - buy mince and steaks and chicken because I'm a smartboy.
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