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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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You know, once upon a time when the British ruled India, the Hindus explained to them that suttee was their custom. Charles James Napier gave the following response:
Be it so. This burning of widows is your custom; prepare the funeral pile. But my nation has also a custom. When men burn women alive we hang them, and confiscate all their property. My carpenters shall therefore erect gibbets on which to hang all concerned when the widow is consumed. Let us all act according to national customs.

What the hell happened to you guys?
 
You know, once upon a time when the British ruled India, the Hindus explained to them that suttee was their custom. Charles James Napier gave the following response:


What the hell happened to you guys?
The best part left and made their own country.

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Serious answer? They started valuing politeness and feelings more than anything else and devalued anything that contradicted said feels.
 
The suffering of the girls who must endure such a barbaric and pointless practice - I can't begin to imagine. It is less cruel than castrating boys, but it is still unnatural to the vilest degree.
 
Honestly, fuck the brits. They deserve it for being arrogant racists: "hey, I'm sure those pooooor Africans are gonna be so delighted and grateful when they see we're so nice to allow them in our countries and be our friends". No, fuck it. They don't want to be your friends: they hate you and want to rape your kids and use your women as slaves because they think they're superior to all of us.

Is this why kebobs turn to raping little boys? Because the alternative is the mutilated clit less, vulva less, and breast less women their horrible culture produces?

Even intact, they never had a chance.

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And if someone believes only the men are bad, they're fooling themselves. The mothers are equally evil. They are the ones holding their own women to be punished, beaten, mutilated, and even killed.

Serious answer? They started valuing politeness and feelings more than anything else and devalued anything that contradicted said feels.

that's not being polite. You can politely tell a person to fuck themselves.
 
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47019912

Speaking on the BBC's Andrew Marr show, Matt Hancock said: "If we think they need to do things they are refusing to do, then we can and we must legislate."

But he said it would be better to work jointly with social media companies.

The minister earlier called on social media giants to "purge" material promoting self-harm and suicide in the wake of links to a teenager's suicide.

Asked if social media could be banned, Mr Hancock said: "Ultimately parliament does have that sanction, yes" but added: "it's not where I'd like to end up."

Molly Russell, 14, took her own life in 2017 after viewing disturbing content about suicide on social media.

Speaking to the BBC, her father said he believed Instagram "helped kill my daughter".

Mr Russell also criticised the online scrapbook Pinterest, telling the Sunday Times: "Pinterest has a huge amount to answer for."

Instagram responded by saying it works with expert groups who advise them on the "complex and nuanced" issues of mental health and self-harm.

Based on their advice that sharing stories and connecting with others could be helpful for recovery, Instagram said, they "don't remove certain content".

"Instead (we) offer people looking at, or posting it, support messaging that directs them to groups that can help."

But Instagram added it is undertaking a full review of its enforcement policies and technologies.

A Pinterest spokesman said: "We have a policy against harmful content and take numerous proactive measures to try to prevent it from coming and spreading on our platform.

"But we know we can do more, which is why we've been working to update our self-harm policy and enforcement guidelines over the last few months."

Facebook, which owns Instagram, said earlier it was "deeply sorry".

The internet giant said graphic content which sensationalises self-harm and suicide "has no place on our platform".

Papyrus, a charity that works to prevent youth suicide, said it has been contacted by around 30 families in the past week who believe social media had a part to play in their children's suicides.

"We've had a spike in calls to our UK helpline since the BBC first reported this six days ago, all saying the same thing," said a spokeswoman for the charity.

Mr Hancock said he was "horrified" to learn of Molly's death and feels "desperately concerned to ensure young people are protected".

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Media captionMatt Hancock: We will and we must act if we have to
In a letter sent to Twitter, Snapchat, Pinterest, Apple, Google and Facebook (which owns Instagram), the minister "welcomed" steps already taken by firms but said "more action is urgently needed".

He wrote: "It is appalling how easy it still is to access this content online and I am in no doubt about the harm this material can cause, especially for young people.

"It is time for internet and social media providers to step up and purge this content once and for all."

He added that the government is developing a white paper addressing "online harms", and said it will look at content on suicide and self-harm.

Mr Hancock explained: "Lots of parents feel powerless in the face of social media. But we are not powerless. Both government and social media providers have a duty to act.

"I want to make the UK the safest place to be online for everyone - and ensure that no other family has to endure the torment that Molly's parents have had to go through."

Molly was found dead in her bedroom in November 2017 after showing "no obvious signs" of severe mental health issues.

Her family later found she had been viewing material on social media linked to anxiety, depression, self-harm and suicide.

Mr Russell told the BBC: "Some of that content is shocking in that it encourages self harm, it links self-harm to suicide and I have no doubt that Instagram helped kill my daughter."

Solicitor Merry Varney, who represents the Russell family, said Molly's case "and the examples of how algorithms push negative material" show a need to investigate online platforms, and how they could be "contributing to suicides and self-harm".

If you’ve been affected by self-harm, or emotional distress, help and support is available via the BBC Action Line.

How could social media sites and apps be blocked?
Preventing the British public from visiting some of the most popular internet platforms would be a drastic step. But it is not outside the realms of possibility.

The most obvious approach would be to make the country's internet service providers (ISPs) block access to certain internet protocol addresses directly.

The risk with this is that IP addresses can sometimes be shared between services. In the past, an effort to block one illegal site led to users being unable to visit the Radio Times. It also doesn't address the fact that banned services could start using alternative IP addresses.

So another approach would be to order ISPs to make adjustments to their domain name system (DNS) servers, which act as a sort of internet address book, translating easy-to-type web addresses into the long string of numbers that actually represent the services involved.

The aim would be to prevent requests being routed to the correct internet protocol (IP) addresses, effectively blocking access to the platforms.

But this alone would not be enough, since some people route their traffic via DNS servers belonging to Google or Cloudflare - a company that optimises web traffic performance and also protects against cyber-attacks - rather than their ISP. These firms are based overseas.

It is possible for them to detect DNS requests that originated in the UK and refuse them when appropriate, but there would likely need to be considerable arm-twisting to get them to agree to set such a precedent.

But to complicate matters, users could still try to circumvent a ban by using tools to anonymise their location and identity, such as a virtual private network (VPN) or the Tor browser.

Prof Alan Woodward from the University of Surrey said: "Many of the ways around such bans are relatively simple unless you also ban all those methods as well, such as happens in countries like China.

"For a ban to be truly effective, the UK government [would have to take steps] that I can't imagine users or ISPs would be happy with."

Matters would become further convoluted if the social media firms decided to help users bypass a ban, as has been the case with some piracy sites.

The Pirate Bay, for example, regularly updates a list of proxy sites that act as middle men, sending data to and from the banned database via intermediary servers. The government would therefore need to keep on top of such proxies and ensure they were blocked too.
 
As much as I dislike the big tech organizations, no large entity such as a government or corporation should have the power to block an entire website from being accessed. It's a very slippery slope.
 
So if Britain cuts the social media out, then guess what? The culture of mollycoddling minorities will evaporate and there will be a fucking crusade down the streets of London.

I hope.
 
Good luck, parliament. The Chinese have been bypassing the Great Firewall to get on Facebook for years. There is nothing you can do to keep the general population from doing unless you are willing to strictly enforce it. Even the BBC says it’s ridiculous.
 
Its good to see members of parliament have the time to address the issues of suicide images being spread over social media, maybe if one of the many disabled or unemployed people that commit suicide because of the cuts to the welfare system were to start posting suicide images over social media maybe they would try and address those issues than whether some teenage girl killed herself because she decided kill herself because some girls at school were bullying her. Presumably dead teenage girls attract more sympathy from people than middle aged man dying because they couldn't refrigerate their insulin pens properly because he couldnt feed the meter because he was given a three day benefit sanction for being late by ten minutes.
 
I'm convinced now that someone high up in Parliament really fucking hates the internet. Just do away with it in your country already and have only state licensed BBC be the only media. That's the only way they'll be satisfied.
 
Might as well ban pregnancies because birth can result in death. This way we wont have any babies growing up that could potentially harm themselves or others.
 
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