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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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Has anyone else noticed the deafening silence today? No major government response to Farage, no response from the Tories.

Are they terrified of picking a side before it becomes clear if it's a popular policy in polls? Or are they playing the cooler heads as this weekend is very busy for protests?
 
The British do not chimp out randomly and people expecting some kind of army of darkness to rise up and clear out overnight are unfamiliar with the British psyche.
We call this Americans projecting their boogaloo boner onto the English because their ancestors did one hundreds of years ago under far easer conditions yet still wont do one themselves in their own country when things are bad.
 
A Reform election win isn't going to fix things, but what it will do is clear the stage and break the Lib/Lab/Con stranglehold on our government. When Nige and co don't deport every last Boriswaver, cousinfucker, childrapist etc. in their first year in power then there is space for a genuine British nationalist party who will be talking in terms of (the entirely necessary) remigration of unintegrated 2nd, 3rd, 4th generation cuckoos in the national nest.

The man who is currently leading the polls to be our next PM is talking in terms of mass deportations, and people are still bleating about "nothing ever happens". Shocking.
 
The man who is currently leading the polls to be our next PM is talking in terms of mass deportations, and people are still bleating about "nothing ever happens". Shocking.
To be fair, I would need both hands and feet to count the amount of euro leaders who promised to slow down immigration only to do a 180° once they won.

The only thing that worries me is that people will adopt a "trust the plan" stance where they do nothing and just hope the next guy in charge doesn't stab them in the back again. It is a good thing that it happened but they are fucked if they wait, let alone for that long.

Fortunately, people are not just sitting at home and things are habbening, it seems.
 
I would be very, VERY skeptical of Farage actually doing anything like it. Don't trust him, this is the man who has time and time again snatched defeat from the jaws of victory and who is way more concerned with being seen as "acceptable" than anything.
Farage is going down in history as the man who always pissed himself and ran away at the last second. I hope he'll actually man up this time, not because he's a better man but because it's the peak of his life and he makes or breaks it now. He can be the next Churchhill level of legendary or he can be the failure who gave the tories a new coat of paint. Being a national hero who gets spoke about for hundreds of years has potential to change someone.

I know how retarded I sound.
No. course not. There is a slow simmer however, and it may get to the point where action is forced, one way or another.
The British do not chimp out randomly and people expecting some kind of army of darkness to rise up and clear out overnight are unfamiliar with the British psyche.
This cannot be fixed with the techniques the state has been using.
The general public is now like a spoiled child throwing a tantrum. Nothing can be done to appease them. Every action the government takes just leads to further escalation. Any attempt to crack down or punish will lead to an even bigger revolt.
The only thing that worries me is that people will adopt a "trust the plan" stance where they do nothing and just hope the next guy in charge doesn't stab them in the back again. It is a good thing that it happened but they are fucked if they wait, let alone for that long.
Very unlikely. The UK doesn't do American 'Trust the plan' non-sense. We very quickly lose respect for people who sit on the pot and don't shit. We have phrases like "Shit or get off the pot". The problem was no alternative option was there until now.

What do you lads think about an English nationalism rising? I was talking to some mates about this but English nationalism doesn't exist the way Welsh and Scottish nationalism does. England being the actual ruler of the UK and Great Britain has always had different styles of nationalism. It's 3 tiers where it's Local (norf FC), National (England) and then Britain as the tip of the ice berg. Outside of football I've never seen English nationalism, we're very local people where I'm My region or British. Where as the other countries are tier 2 first and then the others after.

Do you think this flag waving and hanging stuff is waking up a nationalism for English people for England? I'm thinking a lot of people consider British to be a tainted concept now. British asian bollocks has made the word generic and dirty. Instead of being England and her pet nations it's become "Brown people pretend to be white with this word". And now the flags are flying every where and they're specifically St. Georges, not the union jack.

Maybe we can rise up and batter the Scottish again. All they do is batter mars bars and pizzas.
 
We call this Americans projecting their boogaloo boner onto the English because their ancestors did one hundreds of years ago under far easer conditions yet still wont do one themselves in their own country when things are bad.

400 million guns and what have they done with them? No Boogaloo, No great rebellion, no uprising, no 1776 commencing again.
 
I'll tweak it for 'em:
  • Top-down Home Office reform. Restoring it to non-partisan status
  • Withdrawal from the ECHR
  • Withdrawal from the UN Global Migration Pact
  • NGOs involved in the aid of migrants (legal or otherwise) to have their charity status removed and be declared proscribed organisations
  • Law firms aiding migrants' entry to the UK to be investigated by the SRA and/or lawyers disbarred
  • Total freeze on legal aid for asylum claims
  • Social media accounts aiding entry to the UK to be shut down. If they are operated by UK citizens; owners' assets are frozen
  • Total freeze on asylum claims. Any claims in progress to be halted
  • Ex-service bases to be converted into internment camps. No more "free to roam". All illegals to be held in these facilities indefinitely until they can be returned to their point of origin
  • Royal Navy to patrol the English Channel. Returning all migrant boats in UK waters to sections of the Channel that are classed as International Waters. Any further incursions into UK waters are classed as a hostile act
  • Any asylum claimants coming into the country via routes policed by the Border Force are to be returned immediately. If they cannot be placed on a return flight, train etc they are to be held prior to processing
  • Companies found to be employing illegal migrant labour have their assets frozen
  • UK ICB to issue international warrants for all of those known to be involved in trafficking into the UK
All of these doable if any of them have the bottle for it.
1: Done via repealing or overwriting CRAG 2010

2 & 3: Made easier to achieve after repealing CRAG, which also mandates a 21-day wait before you can officially leave a treaty without first having it be discussed. Repeal the 1998 human rights act to take the ECHR out of law also. UN migration pact is non-binding so it doesn't officially have to be left, but it's better safe than sorry regardless. Also America has already done it.

4: NGOs are protected by 3 different pacts/treaties in Europe. ECHR is one of them, but these mostly just protect their free speech and right of association (yes, NGOs have more protection from the law to say and do shit than people, hence Hope not Hate's ability to dox yet face no repercussions) but they also get protection from the ECRE (European council on refugees and exiles) and the ICCPR ( International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights I.E. United Nations Human Rights Committee). Removing or ignoring protections might make you a bit of a faux pas but you can still act against them in the interests of security or abiding by your own country's laws without anything but kvetching from the usual suspects. Charities like Care4Calais and CalaisLight are also multi-national, so banning them or revoking charity status here doesn't prevent them from operating out of France and Belgium.

5: You can solve this by simply changing the laws. The only advice a pro-immigrant lawyer has to give an immigrant to make them a forever-parasite is: "Denounce citizenship (stateless citizens can't legally be removed), claim asylum (process takes long enough now that if they have a kid, they can claim residency due to right of family), get any sort of prescription from the NHS (can't get back home for free means they can legally stay), etcetera." The pain is whilst they deserve to lose their jobs for what they helped enable, the fact our laws and obligations allowed them to do so means the only fault you can heap on them is working within the confines of our law to help their own. If you give them 0 arguments to work with, they won't be able to argue anything.

6: LAPSO 2012 already cut legal aid for immigrants and asylum seekers, however the ECF allows you to claim funding if your human rights would otherwise be violated under the... sigh — ECHR. Or if you can argue not getting the funding and having your case lose would result in your facing discrimination or human rights violations back home. Lawyers can make your arguments for you. So in theory, just leaving the ECHR would fix this too. This is also how a lot of the lawyers who are protecting these lot for free make their money, so they double-dip with charitable donations and getting paid for the privilege of arguing why a brown should be able to stay forever.

7: A lot of these are charities and NGO-shits are propped up so I wouldn't worry about their social media presences; I would worry though that banning social media accounts would just ostracise people who'd otherwise agree with us because we are just "censoring" them. It'd unironically be better for optics if you just outright charged them for aiding and abetting human traffickers, which is a very asspull argument to make I admit but I think it's more acceptable lmao.

8: Agree with this wholeheartedly. Immigration and Asylum Act 1999 is the law which binds the government into providing a certain quality of care for illegals and asylum seekers, and the 2003 order amending the 1996 Housing act makes it so that lodgings where the homeless have to share a bathroom or washing facilities is not suitable. Housing them in hotels was picked over more a reasonable arrangement for a couple of inferred reasons too. "Self-catering accommodation" (cook for yourself, buy your own toilet paper, toothbrushes, soap (lmao as if), ect) would require paying each of them £47 a week instead of £9 on top of already giving them free housing, which'd probably piss people off even more than they already are. Also, self-accommodation would mean them going outside to buy shit. I wouldn't be surprised if the hotels, where their whims and needs are fully catered, was entirely to prevent them being able to leave and terrorise the community more than they already are. Repealing the 1999 act and the 2003 order or just passing a new act entirely to overwrite them should allow us to put these people where they should be.

9: Mentioned it a while ago but the reason we don't already do this maritime law and associated acts. The reason the French fully allow it is because the people camping in Calais aren't officially claiming asylum there, so the French are under no obligation to take them in. If we scrap the asylum system entirely then the ones in France will have no choice but to claim asylum there or go home, and that should stop any new boat crossings. Of course it turns Calais into a organic grenade for the French as however many are already there will suddenly become a burden on the French, but fuck 'em. Maybe Le Pen can do something about it before we do, who knows.

10: The ECHR prevents us for holding into a migrant/illegal for more than 3 hours without some sort of trial, process, or accommodation. I'm being completely fucking serious. It's why the French have just allowed them to loiter in Calais, they can't legally act according to the ECHR/EU. The most we've ever done about this is give the ability for port masters to hold them for 3 hours, not just police/border patrol, but after that they can just roam unless we do something about them.

11: This alone as a deterrent would probably force Deliveroo, Uber, etcetera, to implement additional requirements and checks just to ensure their drivers are who they say they are. Many illegals/non-citizens have a relative or someone with citizenship just create an account for them, and then they work under a false identity. You don't get any American-esque flagrant employ of illegals (unless illegals are being assisted by friends/family/kin in one of their own businesses) due to all the checks and shit with the HMRC and whatnot. This mostly online-based service/delivery/taxi problem and they'd absolutely kowtow.

12: No reason not to do this, but I think the inconvenient truth is these guys are mostly just helping themselves with NGOs providing food and basic accommodation. Boats are either being given by NGOs (totally grounds for total bans and the argument I made in "7"), local weepy-eyed citizens, or they crowdfund their own boats. Since NGOs tend to get given free shit by large brands and companies to forward onto the immigrants, I wouldn't be surprised if they use collect that shit (since it's brand new) and re-sell it to a local or something. Iphone 16 = £799 pounds brand new, whereas an inflatable dinghy can cost you anywhere from £800 to £2000 pounds. It's absolutely all being done from Calais itself and the "traffickers" are more than likely in our hotels as well.

TLDR: 70% of all our issues are caused by the ECHR, 1998 Human rights act, and CRAG 2010. These 3 gone, all our immigration problems could fall in rapid succession like dominoes. Some UN stuff and a possible international reaction is why we can't just drop them all off in the ocean. ;(
 
Reform's official policy is now mass deportations. Their new policy is:
  • Leave the ECHR
  • Arrest all small boat arrivals
  • Detain them on military bases
  • Mass deportations
  • 5 flights a day
  • Return deals with Afghanistan & Eritrea
  • Offshore processing on Ascension Island

2029 cannot come soon enough.

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Reform, i'm already going to vote for you, you don't need to pitch it to me.
 
Reform's official policy is now mass deportations. Their new policy is:
  • Leave the ECHR
  • Arrest all small boat arrivals
  • Detain them on military bases
  • Mass deportations
  • 5 flights a day
  • Return deals with Afghanistan & Eritrea
  • Offshore processing on Ascension Island

2029 cannot come soon enough.

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You know they are going to puss out on every point. You might get 5 somalis deported, but the deportations stayed/anulled by a libfaggot judge.
 
You know they are going to puss out on every point. You might get 5 somalis deported, but the deportations stayed/anulled by a libfaggot judge.
Then the Judges will be removed as well.

New rules under Reform UK.

Nigel is only the start of the change, and I agree he should only be there to instigate it.

Once it starts, Reform UK need to look at the future - who do they want to lead the party for the next 15-20 years, assuming that the Opposition can't or won't better them in terms of numbers.

Don't write Nigel off just yet - yes, like Sir Winston he made errors and perhaps could have done better, but Reform UK are the only chance we are going to get.

The option is 'it will change' or 'nothing will change' - I'm voting the former.
 
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TLDR: 70% of all our issues are caused by the ECHR, 1998 Human rights act, and CRAG 2010. These 3 gone, all our immigration problems could fall in rapid succession like dominoes. Some UN stuff and a possible international reaction is why we can't just drop them all off in the ocean. ;(
Yup. The ECHR is nothing more than a millstone if not an active subversion of a nation's sovereignty. We should kick that to the kerb pronto if we want to make any substantial changes in the country, whether they're related to migrants or not.

We already have the framework in place for handling the boats. Surprisingly enough, back in 2021, Priti Patel gave the Border Force phull sapport saar to turn the boats around. Though as you mentioned, it gets a little dubious with Maritime Law when it comes to dinghies because of the whole "ships in distress" thing, which is probably why there is such a proliferation of them now rather than NGOs just chartering boats to ferry them across. I still think you could wing it though. Like I say, you don't have to tow them back to France and risk an international incident, just tow them into international waters and let the dice fall where they may.

The France and the boats issue goes back to this "passing through" bullshit which really needs addressing properly in the courts. Its right up there with "reasonable force".

With regards to the social media thing, there is now an entire industry out there offering advice to people wanting to enter the country illegally. Its particularly prevalent on TikTok (the premiere sub-70 IQ platform) where these videos get thousands upon thousands of views. There are a few NGOs and UK law firms putting out these videos, but there are also a fair share of individuals doing it now too. Fuck these parasites. Take their coats and their wallets.

I didn't realise the NGOs had so much legal protection, but I'm not surprised. The courtroom is the kikes favourite battleground, so it stands to reason they've spent as much time lawyering this kind of thing as they have their own god. The big issue with the likes of Care4Calais is that there are lots of staff providing logistical support on this side of the channel. I can't remember the name of the place off the top of my head, but there is one particular hotel in London that acts as a hub for them, and there are probably more Care4Calais staff stationed there than there are migrants. To the extent that even the migrants were complaining about them. I'd be surprised if this wasn't the only hotel like that.

There are enough measures that we could take that would only result in a few kosher tears or a bit of bad PR on the world stage that we could comfortably wrap up in a "fuck off we're full" bill. I just doubt anyone has the political will to do it.
 
Not sure if this has already been posted, but here's the full list of protests that will take place this week:

Cardiff
Chichester
Bournemouth
Portsmouth
Leeds
Orpington
Cheshunt
Altrincham
Hawley
Cannock
Nottingham
Bristol
Newcastle
Tamworth
Wakefield
Liverpool
Oldham
Exeter
Oxford
Perth
Aberdeen
Manchester
Dudley
Falkirk
Gloucester
Stockport
 
It's accelerationist to say something like this but it's true. Reform aren't going to live up to their name and once people get to see it truly first hand, then we can start fixing all of this.
TBH, I don't consider this accelerationist. Accelerationist would be hyping up the Greens explicitly to blow the system up. This is a pretty bog-standard cure-or-quit order for a party. Farage is either going to achieve containment by manhandling the government somehow to function, which is good, or he's going to fail at containing anything and serve as definite proof the system is not functioning and we break the glowing barrier of fedposting now that there's a serious and fully consummated argument.
A Reform election win isn't going to fix things, but what it will do is clear the stage and break the Lib/Lab/Con stranglehold on our government.
Which in turn guts a lot of the moral weight those parties have used to crush the average Brit. If Farage can somehow pull a massive upset out of his ass, Labour and Tory both lose legitimacy appeals in the process.
I hope he'll actually man up this time, not because he's a better man but because it's the peak of his life and he makes or breaks it now. He can be the next Churchhill level of legendary or he can be the failure who gave the tories a new coat of paint. Being a national hero who gets spoke about for hundreds of years has potential to change someone.
I salute the optimism...
I know how retarded I sound.
... and I don't think hoping for a better world is retarded at all. Real talk, we might all post Jefferson quotes about the tree of liberty, but watering that sumbitch is long, painful, and tragic if we need to resort to the blood of patriots. It doesn't make you retarded to try and say we should hope a better way comes about, it makes you still grounded in reality where consequences abound.
Do you think this flag waving and hanging stuff is waking up a nationalism for English people for England? I'm thinking a lot of people consider British to be a tainted concept now. British asian bollocks has made the word generic and dirty. Instead of being England and her pet nations it's become "Brown people pretend to be white with this word". And now the flags are flying every where and they're specifically St. Georges, not the union jack.
It's a something. It's too early to tell if this is just shitposting on the state though, given flying the St. George flag should be an obvious smoke test for the government to not do the dumbass thing and yet...
Yup. The ECHR is nothing more than a millstone if not an active subversion of a nation's sovereignty. We should kick that to the kerb pronto if we want to make any substantial changes in the country, whether they're related to migrants or not.
Remember. The Tories sabotaged that whole Brexit thing that was supposed to resolve this! Never let those fuck-heads live down that the Brexit you got was none-at-all.
 
Good fucking luck Farage is a fuckin snake. He'll say get rid of em and ramp it up until he's got an army of rapist pakis.
 
Does anyone in the UK genuinely believe they can vote for something still, and have it actually carried out? The last severals times the UK has voted on something, the leaders seem to turn around and piss in the people's face and just do nothing that was promised.
It took about 4 votes to get brexit (the vote and 3 elections)
It may take 4 reform pms to keep pushing the Overton. We’re patient, we’re british.

Also, last time protests were announced a week in advance it was labour trying to jan 6 us.

And last thought on shrinkflation, Mr Brains Faggots are 2400 calories for £1.25. Halal those you camel fuckers.
 
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Nigel says a lot of things when he feels emboldened enough by current trends to say them. He seems like the opposite of a real leader to me, don't forget about all the Rupert Lowe shenanigans. Using mean girls tactics in big boy politics is beyond fucking embarrassing.
 
Nigel should never be trusted and even the Americans know this. They have distanced themselves from him.

On the US front, however, Connelly is talking with a US group from the White House, which could be very interesting for Kieth. It also shows they knew about him lying and were merely placating him, which is pretty funny.

Fuck, if he makes November, I'd be stunned.
 
On the one hand, I want Kier to be removed and raped to death by pigs in the street; on the other hand I don't wanna make that Warwick Davis appreciation thread.
 
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