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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[Overly Serious]

Nah, he's not coming from a rational position. His entire argument boils down to "the british are stupid and deserve their fate". He takes "we have been trying to fix this problem democratically and are at the end of our tether" and reframes it as "lol you're stupid voting for a time machine just give up and die".

Oh well then, carry on.

Also, periodically being offered your choice of puppets is not democracy.

 

[CaptainAutism69]

I got so sick of the UK that I sold my house, gave my shit away, jumped on a plane and travelled Europe. I found a country I liked and thought "fuck it, I'm staying here".

Same...I got out years ago. Brexit is making my life hard though as switching country for a new job isn't easy.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Also, periodically being offered your choice of puppets is not democracy.

Certainly. A lot of people have woken up to that in the last few years.

 

[Zoot]

The modern issues beging with the Glorious Revolution in 1688. Williiam and Mary allowed the Jews to return (the jews being the money behind their invasion) after Edward had expelled them in 1290.

Six years later, the Bank of England comes into being. Not long after the Bill of Rights which was established to remove ancient freedoms under the guise of giving rights. The large-scale replacement of common law with legislation and the beginning of income tax all follow on from it.

The English, Scost and Welsh have been blamed for everything that happed since but the British Empire was the Jewish Empire. The British Establishment wholly intermarried with the jewish merchant class. The crowning goal of which was the Balfour Declaration and control of Palestine to be handed over in due course.
The Second World War was the dismantling of the "British" Empire and replacement with the American Empire the goal of which was to reshape the world for Israel and to fund Israel.

The English, Scots and Welsh common people were on the wrong side of the Second World War. We lost. We fought for the jewish banksters. And we are no longer useful, and so we are being genocided through mass migration, just like the Palestinians.

My big concern with Nige is that he is a finance guy. Which is from the class that did all this shit. The merchant-finance class. Royals have been their puppets since William and Mary.

EDIT: We're given two options on how to see the British Empire – either to glory in it to to be ashamed of it. But for me it is neither; it was never our empire. We were just the brainwashed foot soldiers for it.

Sorry for the conspiratorial history ramblings!

 

[Vesperus]

Oh well then, carry on.

Also, periodically being offered your choice of puppets is not democracy.

But if we didn't vote for a puppet, the wrong puppet might get in!

 

[Overly Serious]

But if we didn't vote for a puppet, the wrong puppet might get in!

I believe several people in this thread have been saying to vote for Farage for exactly that reason.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

Same...I got out years ago. Brexit is making my life hard though as switching country for a new job isn't easy.

I'm very lucky in that regard as I can work freely in many countries. Still, it's better than the alternative.

 

[Russian Bot #5361]

Bring back manufacturing, cut back on the wind farms and the ten billion plus we throw away on useless vaccines and all the rest of it.

I hate that the mere fact that renewable energy sources have become synonymous with the green movement that they are hated by the right. It's simply retarded and short sighted thinking. Renewable energy, solar, wind, and hydroelectric are essential for ensuring energy security and independence.

Wind power, especially in a country like the UK which has an abundant supply of it, is an important step in ensuring independence from foreign supply chains of hydrocarbons which may be subject so shocks for a variety of reasons.

Investment into renewable energies should always form a significant part in the development of the energy system and by extension into a country's infrastructure budget, as the diversification of power sources is always a net benefit to society.

Don't cut off your nose to spite your face, just because the left likes something doesn't mean that it's a bad idea or bad in general.

 

[Overly Serious]

I hate that the mere fact that renewable energy sources have become synonymous with the green movement that they are hated by the right. It's simply retarded and short sighted thinking. Renewable energy, solar, wind, and hydroelectric are essential for ensuring energy security and independence.

I never said solar - that has a role. I said wind farms. They work (just about) but in every comparison with nuclear power, other than "nuclear bad" scaremongering, they're worse. Even safety as more people die maintaining them. And they require a lot of maintenance. There's so much graft in the environmental lobby it's absurd. As to dependence on "foreign supply chains of hydrocarbons" I'd be totally happy to halve my energy costs with some Russian gas and oil. Boris Johnson and Starmer's hard-on for trying to bring down Russia has no appeal for me whatsoever.

And because you imply it, my politics are not defined as "I've been told something is Left Wing/Right Wing therefore I'm against it/for it".

Spoiler: Footnote

I said "halve my energy costs" but that's a little bit of rhetoric really. What I'd really like to see with cheaper energy would be British manufacturing and industry become more competitive again.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Wind power, especially in a country like the UK which has an abundant supply of it, is an important step in ensuring independence from foreign supply chains of hydrocarbons which may be subject so shocks for a variety of reasons.

No. Wind and solar both have two problems: they aren't dispatchable, and they don't have any inertia. The first means that they require spinning backup in order provide power when the wind drops and the sun doesn't shine. The latter means they reduce the stability and reliability of the grid once they cross a relatively small penetration threshold. Look at Spain, where rapid frequency oscillations introduced by the inverters at solar energy plants caused the entire grid to collapse. Solar has an additional problem of producing most of its energy when daytime demand is typically lowest, which means solar has to be curtailed - at great cost - in order to further avoid destabilizing the grid.

Wind's additional unpredictability further exacerbates the problem. At least solar curtailment can be planned for to a degree, whereas wind production is essentially random, meaning that you end up curtailing and rolling out backup generation on very short notice, for an unpredictable length of time. This constant ramping up and down of backup (which has to be able to provide the equivalent of the wind nameplate) not only destabilises the grid, but is also extremely inefficient. Wind turbines can only operate within a narrow band of wind speeds; the lower limit is unproductive, while the upper limit is the maximum speed they can safely tolerate without breaking apart, so as the wind speed changes, turbines will be popping off and on at fairly short notice. On top of this, if a stable blocking high settles in over the country, that's your wind production shut down for a week. A week with a significant, if unreliable quantity of your nameplate production just plain gone.

Furthermore, they do not last their full lifetime, which is typically only 20 years to begin with (much shorter than a typical gas turbine plant). Wind farms are being retired early because they are wearing out much faster than their manufacturers promised, meaning that they are not only expensive and unreliable, but are going to have to be replaced on a much shorter cadence, which ads to the expense and unreliability.

The final problem is this: they are the most environmentally destructive forms of power generation you can build. Not in the retarded "muh carbon emissions" sense, or even in the "an accident might cause a leak" sense, but in the physical, local, ongoing, and immediate sense. Wind turbines slaughter tends of thousands of birds and bats every year. They require the destruction of vast swathes of habitat to build, with gigantic concrete foundations that will likely never be removed. Their blades and the majority of their external cladding cannot be recycled, meaning they go into landfill. Solar requires the use of toxic chemicals in their production, require the same destruction of vast swathes of habitat or productive farmland, and leach chemicals into the soil the entire time they're installed. The ground beneath them becomes an envoronmental dead zone because of lack of sun.

If we want energy independence from foreign hydrocarbons, then the solution is to extract our own until we can build out enough nuclear to replace them, not building out a mass of unreliable, expensive, short-lived, enviromentally catastrophic "solutions" that are worse than the problem they're meant to solve.

 

[Made In Wales]

Who won?
Englands Africans or Andorra’s?

England's Africans but only 1-0 in a terrible display.

TalkSport were scathing of them.

At least the Taffyniggers beat Liechtenstein 3-0.

 

[Clem Fandango]

If we want energy independence from foreign hydrocarbons, then the solution is to extract our own until we can build out enough nuclear to replace them, not building out a mass of unreliable, expensive, short-lived, enviromentally catastrophic "solutions" that are worse than the problem they're meant to solve.

You seem like you know what you're talking about, so I'll just ask. I've always been a bit baffled with renewable discourse focusing on wind and solar, when we're an island with almost 8,000 miles of coastline. No big tidal projects? At least tides are predictable, unlike the wind and (LMAO) sun.

Edit

England's Africans but only 1-0 in a terrible display.

TalkSport were scathing of them.

At least the Taffyniggers beat Liechtenstein 3-0.

England were dogshit. Andorra had chances to equalise in the last five minutes, and a draw would have been an absolutely fair result given the performance on both sides. Yet, there is no catharsis. England's punishment continues to elude it and
Tuchel gains no deeper knowledge of the team.
This match has meant nothing.

 

[Jaimas]

Certainly. A lot of people have woken up to that in the last few years.

It's especially galling in the case of the UK as you had multiple situations where the will of the voters was made completely and unambiguously clear, They voted to fucking leave the EU. They voted repeatedly for politicians that would tamp down the immigration fire-hose. In both cases, their government actively steered in directions to either essentially not do it (Brexit) or flat-out do the opposite (slowing immigration).

Boris deserves infinite fucking scorn for a lot of this, as do fifth column shitheads like Farage, but taking a closer look at this reveals that one of the biggest reasons this shit was able to happen was massive flaws within the parliamentary system that enable this exact behavior and give cover to it. The Parliamentary system is effectively designed to do this shit, and ensure that if the powers that be want to fuck their constituents, there's effectively no recourse because even if they vote in an outsider party, the other Parliamentarians can effectively form a block for the express purpose of preventing them from accomplishing a damn thing.

Meanwhile, Ireland's been fucking taking to the streets to protest the immigration flood (while the media, of course, ignores it but gives full coverage to the tiny pro-Palestine counter-protest, gotta get that shit in someplace), and the country as a whole is clearly getting ready to cook off if nothing is done (we already have people going and demolishing migrant encampments and fucking with asylum hotels), whilst at the same time, you have the EU doing shit like this, pretending that this is going to do anything other than make the situation dramatically worse.



I do not, for the life of me, understand this shit. Are they that fucking stupid?

 

[Apustajan apustaja]

Another thing, which has been something I've noticed in America, is that the cannabis post-legalization is incredibly potent. Way more so than it was before, and I'm not just saying that because I'm getting old. I don't even know how people function on what is sold now, except maybe that they've been smoking for years and years and their tolerance is through the roof.

Typically most drugs get stronger when illegal for practical reasons, this is true for alcohol, nicotine products, opioids etc. I can't find snus on the black market that does not make me dizzy.
Cannabis has such a steep tollerance curve for daily users and medical users that the market caters to their needs, someone who uses cannabis for pain might use 5g a day of some very potent weed and be completely functioning. With legalisation their would probably be milder varietis available for those who want it, but while illegal there are few incentives to sell weed that is "not very strong", heavy users dictate what is available because they buy the most.

 

[teriyakiburns]

No big tidal projects? At least tides are predictable, unlike the wind and (LMAO) sun.

There have been several trials, but it turns out tides just don't have the energy necessary in most places. Those trials had very obvious environmental impacts that couldn't be ignored (turning a tidal estuary into a stagnant, stinking mud flat is hard to miss), plus you've got all your generation equipment immersed in salt water and surrounded by critters that want to colonise and eat it, so it's really kind of a non-starter if you think about it for a moment.

Energy density is the name of the game, as well as what happens to a system when you extract energy from it.

Meanwhile, Ireland's been fucking taking to the streets to protest the immigration flood (while the media, of course, ignores it but gives full coverage to the tiny pro-Palestine counter-protest, gotta get that shit in someplace), and the country as a whole is clearly getting ready to cook off if nothing is done

Ireland has the dubious "advantage" of having their invasion happen over a very short period. They went from essentially ethnically homogenous to having more than 10% of their population be foreign born in a little over ten years, in a country where the population is around 5 million. It was a much slower process in the UK, where the much larger population also hid much of the change from most people for a long time. We're now seeing the start of mass ethnic cleansing in some parts of the North East and the Midlands, so I don't expect the apathy to remain for much longer.

 

[A-Logato]

I always find it quite funny when you get Americans being snarky around the whole UK immigration issue, namely with them saying that you get what you vote for or that we should just boogaloo like they did. The ironic thing being that we've never voted for any of this and when we did vote for something (brexit) we didn't get anything what we wanted. Even when it comes to "booging" or general riots then we've been doing that for years too (more so then they do), Southport being the biggest boiling point.

Our politicians at this point are only maintaining this system out of pure spite and hubris. I can buy there being some sort of goal or benefit they were getting out of it at one point but now that we have all the data on just how destructive this all is and how there is 0 benefit to any of it then the only thing I can believe why were still letting in millions a year is just that they can't stand to admit they were wrong.

Now if only Reform could grow a fucking backbone for 2 seconds and stop talking about trivial bullshit and actually be an actual nationalist party then we might get somewhere but they seem too busy bending over backwards for every QANGO, charity and even their opposition to ever make any real change or their too busy talking about pointless bullshit like burqa bans or sandwiches.

 

[Overly Serious]

I always find it quite funny when you get Americans being snarky around the whole UK immigration issue, namely with them saying that you get what you vote for or that we should just boogaloo like they did. The ironic thing being that we've never voted for any of this and when we did vote for something (brexit) we didn't get anything what we wanted. Even when it comes to "booging" or general riots then we've been doing that for years too (more so then they do), Southport being the biggest boiling point.

Our politicians at this point are only maintaining this system out of pure spite and hubris. I can buy there being some sort of goal or benefit they were getting out of it at one point but now that we have all the data on just how destructive this all is and how there is 0 benefit to any of it then the only thing I can believe why were still letting in millions a year is just that they can't stand to admit they were wrong.

I think it's optimistic to think that most of their decision making is evidence-based. I think at least half of MPs and MP thinking is ideologically based. When contrary-evidence arrives, they try to work out how to fit it into their ideology, not re-evaluate.

That's not unique to MPs, it's a common trait in most people. Including us. What usually causes re-evaluation of beliefs is not counter-evidence, but consequences. However, what are consequences for you or I of our beliefs not matching reality, are lessened for MPs due to (a) the complexity of the relationship between action and consequence, (b) the lag between action and consequence and (c) the fact that the consequences usually happen to somebody else.

I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader which of those three carries most weight.

 

[Made In Wales]

It's especially galling in the case of the UK as you had multiple situations where the will of the voters was made completely and unambiguously clear, They voted to fucking leave the EU. They voted repeatedly for politicians that would tamp down the immigration fire-hose. In both cases, their government actively steered in directions to either essentially not do it (Brexit) or flat-out do the opposite (slowing immigration).

Boris deserves infinite fucking scorn for a lot of this, as do fifth column shitheads like Farage, but taking a closer look at this reveals that one of the biggest reasons this shit was able to happen was massive flaws within the parliamentary system that enable this exact behavior and give cover to it. The Parliamentary system is effectively designed to do this shit, and ensure that if the powers that be want to fuck their constituents, there's effectively no recourse because even if they vote in an outsider party, the other Parliamentarians can effectively form a block for the express purpose of preventing them from accomplishing a damn thing.

Meanwhile, Ireland's been fucking taking to the streets to protest the immigration flood (while the media, of course, ignores it but gives full coverage to the tiny pro-Palestine counter-protest, gotta get that shit in someplace), and the country as a whole is clearly getting ready to cook off if nothing is done (we already have people going and demolishing migrant encampments and fucking with asylum hotels), whilst at the same time, you have the EU doing shit like this, pretending that this is going to do anything other than make the situation dramatically worse.

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I do not, for the life of me, understand this shit. Are they that fucking stupid?

IREXIT coming.

Will Kneecap now do an about turn and go 'fuck the woke and fuck the EU' I wonder...

Remember, they're Irish Nationalists and all that...

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyge290l4xo

Poo pills anybody? YUCK!

 

[Otterly]

No big tidal projects?

Tidal sounds great but the reality is it’s very hard to do and we actually don’t have many good places to put it. The wear and tear on anything exposed to salt water is immense, submerged stuff ditto. As someone’s already pointed out, doing it in an estuary or similar changes the ecology so badly it’s not at all beneficial.
WAVE notion is a possible, but like all renewables it’s ok for a small amount of stuff in a specific niche but it’s not going to form any sort of backbone of the demand.
If I was in charge we would opening every single pit we could get back online, we’d be digging up that coal, drilling west of Shetland and we’d be using that until we built multiple nuclear. The goal to be completely energy independent. Second goal to have energy so cheap that things like steel become economic, and any other heavy manufacturing we can get back. Decent environmental standards for all of it, we aren’t going back to pea souper smogs and polluted water.
Any politician pursuing policies that decrease our energy independence is a traitor and should suffer the full fate. Energy is key to modern society. Throttling our energy generation capacity is treason.
Polluting our environment is treason. Pursuing policies that genocide the natives is treason.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

Wind's additional unpredictability further exacerbates the problem.

Wind turbines can only operate within a narrow band of wind speeds; the lower limit is unproductive, while the upper limit is the maximum speed they can safely tolerate without breaking apart, so as the wind speed changes, turbines will be popping off and on at fairly short notice

Furthermore, they do not last their full lifetime, which is typically only 20 years to begin with (much shorter than a typical gas turbine plant). Wind farms are being retired early because they are wearing out much faster than their manufacturers promised

Wind turbines slaughter tends of thousands of birds and bats every year.

This is all true but there's an issue with all of this; it's based on the rotary wind-turbines that have been littered all over, even though they're the most expensive to make (coincidence?), most expensive to maintain (coincidence?) and don't output the best, most reliable, easiest to control forms of electricity (coincidence?). My tinfoil hat says no. Likewise with Solar Panels, there are, apparently, inefficiencies built into the systems to stop them producing decent amounts of electricity, though I haven't been able to verify that. I don't believe that if we found a source of very cheap energy generation, that it would be allowed or passed on to the customer for a few reasons.
I believe that's why we're 30 years behind on nuclear panner plants.

I've always been a bit baffled with renewable discourse focusing on wind and solar, when we're an island with almost 8,000 miles of coastline. No big tidal projects? At least tides are predictable,

@teriyakiburns has answered this, but when I'm PM, I'll commission desalination plants to bring fresh water into the country. I won't, definitely not use that excess water to flood Bradford, Oldham, Rotherham and Rochdale.

Boris deserves infinite fucking scorn for a lot of this,

I'll defend Boris because I don't believe he know the breadth and depth of how much the EU and 'outside interests' controlled the west. It was obvious during COVID that he was constantly pulled back in line, while fighting against orders at every turn.