UK British News Megathread - aka CWCissey's news thread

Ginger Piglet · May 25, 2019

Drycantelope said:
You know I actually remember reading that in medieval england the penalty for attempting to commit suicide was death.

This is not entirely true. The idea that attempted suicide was a capital offense is a legal fiction, however, for an awfully long time a suicide's possessions and assets could be forfeited to the Crown after death.

There was a period in which many things were capital offences in England and Wales, mostly during the late 18th century and early 19th century, which you may be confusing this with. Under "the Bloody Code" you could be hanged for the following:

- Murder, attempted murder, rape
- Theft of goods costing more than 12 pence
- Vandalising a loom
- "The abominable vice of Buggery"
- Being caught blacked up (i.e. wearing facial camouflage) at night in a royal forest
- Being in the company of Gypsies for a month
- Impersonating a Chelsea Pensioner
- Begging without a loicense
- "Strong evidence of malice in a child aged 7-14 years"
- Malicious maiming of cattle
- Making counterfeit coins. This was considered treason and got you hanged, drawn, and quartered if you were a man and burnt alive if you were a woman.
- Returning from Transportation. Though why you'd want to leave the comparatively healthy and unspoilt open air of an Australian colony for the diseased stink and heaving poverty of 18th century London beats me.

Jewelsmakerguy said:
Or that the UK are utterly incompetent at lawmaking?

The problem is that our Government and civil service just don't understand the internets. There was a Court action in 2012 where a consortium of rights holders got an order against every ISP to block The Pirate Bay. Within hours, proxies sprang up, and it was revealed that you could circumvent it using fucking Google Translate (which I believe you still can to this day.)

Alec Benson Leary · May 25, 2019

Ginger Piglet said:
There was a period in which many things were capital offences in England and Wales, mostly during the late 18th century and early 19th century, which you may be confusing this with. Under "the Bloody Code" you could be hanged for the following:

- Murder, attempted murder, rape
- Theft of goods costing more than 12 pence
- Vandalising a loom
- "The abominable vice of Buggery"
- Being caught blacked up (i.e. wearing facial camouflage) at night in a royal forest
- Being in the company of Gypsies for a month
- Impersonating a Chelsea Pensioner
- Begging without a loicense
- "Strong evidence of malice in a child aged 7-14 years"
- Malicious maiming of cattle
- Making counterfeit coins. This was considered treason and got you hanged, drawn, and quartered if you were a man and burnt alive if you were a woman.
- Returning from Transportation. Though why you'd want to leave the comparatively healthy and unspoilt open air of an Australian colony for the diseased stink and heaving poverty of 18th century London beats me.

I kind of feel like you just typed up the perfect constitution and any country that adopted it would be set for the rest of time.

CWCissey · May 25, 2019

Alec Benson Leary said:
I know we have a gigantic Brexit thread but I haven't followed it and it's a bit daunting to start now, and I don't know much about her. Can any brits give a quick summation of her career's big points? I get that she's part of the "conservative" group (I also don't know a lot about how British parties compare to analogues in the states) and I am surmising that she is basically responsible for Brexit dragging on 3 years without result after being voted for, is that right? What's the hope for her replacement in practical terms?

Started out well with a national survey based on inequality in British society and included the white working class as an oppressed group.
Botched her given on a silver tray Parliamentary majority with an ill-advised and horrible campaign.
Botched Grenfell
Botched several terror attacks
Botched Brexit after starting off well by getting in David Davis' way.
Botched life in general.

So botched a lot of things and didn't finish the rest.

The Tories are our centre right party, but are more in line with the American Democratic Party on most things.

And Olly Roberts is mostly to blame for May dragging her feet. He's a remoaner aide that she slavishly listens to for some reason (my guess is he has her insulin)

Alec Benson Leary · May 25, 2019

CWCissey said:
The Tories are our centre right party, but are more in line with the American Democratic Party on most things.

Thanks, that helps. I do know that the American right-wing parties don't really have an analogue in western Europe except for what are considered "extremist", mostly due to their immigration ideas. But I'm not very educated outside of that.

CWCissey · May 25, 2019

Alec Benson Leary said:
Thanks, that helps. I do know that the American right-wing parties don't really have an analogue in western Europe except for what are considered "extremist", mostly due to their immigration ideas. But I'm not very educated outside of that.

Well 'far'. Extremist parties tend to be like the BNP or the National Front. The American Republican Party's closest analogue would probably be Farage's UKIP.

Alec Benson Leary · May 25, 2019

CWCissey said:
Well 'far'. Extremist parties tend to be like the BNP or the National Front. The American Republican Party's closest analogue would probably be Farage's UKIP.

Isn't UKIP seen as far-right extremist, or at least portrayed as such by the media? I guess you could say the republicans in the US are too but there are tens of millions of conservative voters who don't care what CNN says, they only appear to be in control of our culture because they're in league with all the social media to hamstring conservative commentators. How many brits are sympathetic to UKIP?

Slimy Time · May 25, 2019

Alec Benson Leary said:
I know we have a gigantic Brexit thread but I haven't followed it and it's a bit daunting to start now, and I don't know much about her. Can any brits give a quick summation of her career's big points? I get that she's part of the "conservative" group (I also don't know a lot about how British parties compare to analogues in the states) and I am surmising that she is basically responsible for Brexit dragging on 3 years without result after being voted for, is that right? What's the hope for her replacement in practical terms?

Sexy Times Hitler said:
The bongs told me she's basically a duller Margaret Thatcher.

That was the spin when she began her term in office, the image of a strong willed woman with an Iron will. History will show that she was nothing of the sort, flip flopped, and is the worst post war conservative PM.

To give the most inaccurate and simplified of rundowns:
-Initially appeared to be a competent leader, with high rankings in the polls, and indicated that she would follow the will of the people and give them Brexit, stating time and time again that come March 29 2019, Britain would leave the EU, deal or no deal.

-That dropped massively after she called a snap election in order to consolidate power (She became PM after David Cameron stepped down, and was put into the position of PM without a Conservative Membership Vote because her opponent stepped down) and extend Conservative stay in power (as opposed to the 3 years she had remaining from the 2015 election, she would push the next mandatory election to 2022). She ran one of the worst campaigns imaginable, based off of a laughable repetition of the phrases "Strong and Stable" and "Brexit means Brexit", apparently trying to pull some Trumpian styled slogan based campaign (Build the Wall, Make America Great Again/MAGA, Even got one of his chief campaign officers to help). So confident in her lead that she pushed controversial (for Brits) points onto her manifesto, such as upholding the tradition of foxhunting and the Winter Fuel payment. This lead to a DECREASE in seats, leading to a minority government and having to ally with the DUP to get a majority. It also turns out that she completely leaves her cabinet in the dark regarding policy making, and relies on her aides and the civil service to implement policy, with them only seeing the manifesto mere hours before it went live.

-Since then, she has rolled back from her position of Leave on the 29th, Deal or No Deal, to pushing forward a Bill that is a complete surrender on all fucking points. It is such a pile of shit that we would have been better off staying in the EU than leaving with that Bill. She tries to pass it once...and fails. She then tries to pass it again....and fails. Once more...and another fail. She is such a fucking disaster that her party holds a vote of no confidence in her as the leader, then the Commons hold a vote of no confidence in the party, each time, she is able to survive like an irritating cockroach. (This would be the equivilant of the Republicans trying to vote Trump out, then trying to do Impeachment proceedings, and both failing...kinda). Brexit was delayed, and she pushed a bill to remove "Hard Brexit" off of the table (which I don't recall as properly binding, though I may be wrong).

-Each time, more of her ministers have been resigning. She then states that to pass the bill, she would team up with Commie Corbyn to get it through...only for negotiations to break down. She then releases the "new, amended bill" which includes a vote in the House of Commons on holding a Second Referendum. This is the last straw, and the 1922 committee manages to gather enough support to CHANGE THE RULES on how long before another vote of no confidence. Yes, she is so bad, there was enough support to potentially change the rules on kicking the PM out. She made the announcement to step down rather than be humiliated...and so we are where we are now.

-Brexit policy aside. Her administration was a disaster. The got caught up in the Windrush Scandal, which involved people from the Windrush Generation (British Africans and Jamaicans who came to the country in 194

being detained and threatened to be deported, as well as long term residents being refused re-entry into the country due to a clerical error. This lead to the Home Secretary, Amber Rudd, resigning in disgrace...only for May to later bring her back in as Minister for Work and Pensions. Edit: To me, this looks like AR taking the fall for a fuckup made by TM, as they initially got warnings in 2013 that this error was occurring, when May was Home Sec. Looks like AR took the fall, then was later called back to fill a minor position, though by that time, so many ministers had resigned that she was running out of options, so why she did so is anyones guess.

-Her government has been one of the most pro-nanny state governments in a while, and is perfectly happy with rolling back freedoms using similar excuses to Blair and Bush (It's to protect from terrorism/hate crime/ protect the children). This has led to the terrible and much mocked porn loisence (protect the kids), a ban/increase tax on sugar (it's for your health, fuck making your own decisions). Her banning Tyler the Creator was not done by her as PM, but when she was Home Secretary under Cameron, with her sending him a signed letter. It is also on her watch that the Tommy Robinson and Count Dankula cases (though the latter is in Scotland under the SNP and their devolved powers), so that also didn't help. She is also allowing Huawei to help build part of the 5G network which supports the 5 Eyes (UK, US, Canada, NZ and Australia), which is a massive security risk and ended up with her firing her Secretary of State for Defence (and longtime supporter) Gavin Williamson for allegedly leaking it (which he denies and I call bullshit). US has rightly refused to use the 5G network so long as Huawei is working on it, so the whole thing is pointless.

-Overall, a completely pathetic PM who managed to piss away a massive amount of support, waste everyones time, implement hated authoritarian laws, make the UK look like a joke internationally for both the laws and its inability to get its shit together. She has managed to fuck the party into the dirt, and has made the task of implementing a proper Brexit a colossal pain in the ass for her successor. Undoubtably the worst conservative PM postwar, and definitely in the running for top 5 worst PMs of all time.

CWCissey · May 25, 2019

Alec Benson Leary said:
Isn't UKIP seen as far-right extremist, or at least portrayed as such by the media? I guess you could say the republicans in the US are too but there are tens of millions of conservative voters who don't care what CNN says, they only appear to be in control of our culture because they're in league with all the social media to hamstring conservative commentators. How many brits are sympathetic to UKIP?

A lot less now than in the past, hence why I singled out Farage's UKIP. They were significantly more mellow than the current rabble and were the third largest party by number of votes after the 2015 general election. Now they are floundering as TBP pick up the majority of their demographic.

nonperson · May 25, 2019

From then, web users who want to access adult websites need to be verified - either through their passport details, bank card or by purchasing a "porn pass" from a shop.

This is insane. I'm finding it difficult to accurately describe just how ridiculous I think this is.

1. They want an official register of every wanker in Britain.
2. They want to control your ability to watch porn.
3. If there's any money involved (and it sounds like there is), then this is effectively a wank-tax.

You can really get away with passing any law in Britain.

_blank_ · May 25, 2019

In the 1920's, under the Volstead Act and Amendment 18, Americans were not legally allowed to make, sell, or distribute alcoholic beverages. This was almost immediately circumvented by citizens until 1933 when the Amendment was repealed.

In the 2020's, the UK finds themselves under similar circumstances, except instead of prohibiting alcohol, they want to prohibit pornography, and before this even takes off, this is being circumvented. The only people this has any chance of grabbing are senior citizens and 10-year-olds, and even then that's a bit of a stretch.

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Slimy Time · May 25, 2019

Cameron 'feels desperately sorry' for May

David Cameron tells reporters Theresa May is "a dedicated public servant" after she announced her resignation.

www.bbc.com

Late and gay with this, but a wild David Cameron has appeared to give his 2 cents about her resigning...my God has he aged. I like how he says it was crushing for him to resign, apparently he forgot that he hummed his way back to number 10 right after announcing, happy that he managed to get out of the upcoming shit storm. Even now, MSM has her crying face plastered in articles. They broke that shit down frame by frame to find the most embarrassing parts to put on their articles.

hash-slinging slasher · May 25, 2019

Alec Benson Leary said:
I know we have a gigantic Brexit thread but I haven't followed it and it's a bit daunting to start now, and I don't know much about her. Can any brits give a quick summation of her career's big points?

Not British but the only thing I know about her is the one thing I'm surprised no one's brought up yet (unless I was skimming too fast.) She personally stepped in to make sure Asia Bibi, the Christian woman who had to flee Pakistan because she was falsely accused of blasphemy, was denied asylum. Her reason was literally because she didn't want to anger the terrorists in Britain.

Alec Benson Leary · May 25, 2019

_blank_ said:
In the 1920's, under the Volstead Act and Amendment 18, Americans were not legally allowed to make, sell, or distribute alcoholic beverages. This was almost immediately circumvented by citizens until 1933 when the Amendment was repealed.

In the 2020's, the UK finds themselves under similar circumstances, except instead of prohibiting alcohol, they want to prohibit pornography, and before this even takes off, this is being circumvented. The only people this has any chance of grabbing are senior citizens and 10-year-olds, and even then that's a bit of a stretch.

What hampers them is that a hundred years after prohibition in the US, private citizens the world over have way more access to tools needed to obstruct oppressive laws.

Bad Headspace · May 25, 2019

Mozilla and Google are literally dabbing on the UK.
Thomas has seen everything.

Slimy Time · May 25, 2019

hash-slinging slasher said:
Not British but the only thing I know about her is the one thing I'm surprised no one's brought up yet (unless I was skimming too fast.) She personally stepped in to make sure Asia Bibi, the Christian woman who had to flee Pakistan because she was falsely accused of blasphemy, was denied asylum. Her reason was literally because she didn't want to anger the terrorists in Britain.

No, didn't know about that one. Shows how utterly fucked things are. If there is going to be civil unrest, or terrorist attacks, maybe you should do something about those who would perform those attacks?

Theresa the Appeaser is a really apt description of her reign both as Home sec and PM

Foxxo · May 25, 2019

This will only cause the Conservatives to install a Great Firewall of China, unless they get axed by the Brexiters.

Wraith · May 25, 2019

Clop said:
This is how browsers finally give a shit about the privacy of its users; Because of porn privileges.

Honk honk.

Well it helped with the widespread distribution of the VHS back in the day. If you were a britbong, would you rather look at porn or the average slag over there?

Gustav Schuchardt · May 25, 2019

Foxxo said:
This will only cause the Conservatives to install a Great Firewall of China, unless they get axed by the Brexiters.

The limiting case is China. The government has a firewall that blocks most of the Internet apart from a few sites that kiss their ass, the people all use VPNs to bypass it.

pentylspacer2600 · May 25, 2019

american companies spreading liberty to the world.

ApatheticViewer · May 25, 2019

Slimy Time said:
pushing forward a Bill that is a complete surrender on all fucking points. It is such a pile of shit that we would have been better off staying in the EU than leaving with that Bill. She tries to pass it once...and fails. She then tries to pass it again....and fails. Once more...and another fail.

I'm curious. What was in this bill that was such a disaster?

Slimy Time said:
Her government has been one of the most pro-nanny state governments in a while, and is perfectly happy with rolling back freedoms using similar excuses to Blair and Bush (It's to protect from terrorism/hate crime/ protect the children). This has led to the terrible and much mocked porn loisence (protect the kids), a ban/increase tax on sugar (it's for your health, fuck making your own decisions). Her banning Tyler the Creator was not done by her as PM, but when she was Home Secretary under Cameron, with her sending him a signed letter. It is also on her watch that the Tommy Robinson and Count Dankula cases (though the latter is in Scotland under the SNP and their devolved powers), so that also didn't help. She is also allowing Huawei to help build part of the 5G network which supports the 5 Eyes (UK, US, Canada, NZ and Australia), which is a massive security risk and ended up with her firing her Secretary of State for Defence

This was all her? Fuck me. Great job turning the nation into a joke I guess. If that was her intention

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