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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.
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It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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Wait are you getting our beef or are we getting yours? Mad cow prions or growth hormone, it’s a lovely choice, eh?
Mound Dweller said:
they want to get away with a Magna Carta type deal, as they have many times in the past, to head off change on their own terms before it's forced on them.
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You know what? I’m not feeling very magnanimous. I want total victory.
 
quaawaa said:
Sorry bongs, but your leaders are terrible negotiators:
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A lot of the stuff is reciprocal as far as I can tell, beside the one major thing that prevents Starmer from being able to tout this as a victory (1.8% vs 10%).

British beef is can go onto the American market too, and similar to America, it's tariff-free up the first 13000 tonnes. Their goods will still need to abide by our food safety laws (so soft drinks should still have sugar and not corn syrup) but we'll have to see if it'll fuck us long term, mostly in regards to our farmers (though if it helps shrink the overall costs of stuff like fertiliser and helps sell our shit in America it might prove a boon yet).

The most overt issue is how America still has the 10% tariffs on us whilst we're sub-2% now, but if I were to play devil's advocate for a moment, the deal seems done to bolster our already largest exports to America. To America (and everywhere else) our largest exports are engines, which will also not have tariffs placed on them at all, and cars are second, which'll see the 10% tariffs on the first 100k whilst the rest of the world sees 25%. Our steel and aluminium are also exempt from taxes, and if the lack of tariffs on our engines and cars sees an uptick of sales in America due to the new arrangement, it might benefit those industries too as the demand rises. It's a long-term thing though.

Since America is involved in the news cycle, the way this acts as a boon to them is going to be louder than the potential boons to the UK. Trump said the UK will be brought into the USA's "economic security alignment", which essentially means the USA will avoid taking actions to the detriment of the UK's economy and will try to compensate for damage done to our supply chain by filling the gap with American exports potentially. This deal appears more or less for the sake of diplomacy over economy, but that could be just a happy accident coming as a result of Keir's willingness to rollover and acquiesce to America — could be worse: he could've done the same but for the EU.

This is a better deal overall than with India, but Starmer won't be able to capitalise on it since trying to explain how this primarily benefits our largest exports to America and potentially help our steel industry is going to take a longer than just flashing the 1.8% vs 10%. I still think infinity Indians is worse.

This article was rather useful.
Conservative leader Kemi Badenoch criticised the deal, saying Britain had been “shafted”.

She said: “When Labour negotiates, Britain loses. We cut our tariffs – America tripled theirs.”

Meanwhile, the Liberal Democrats demanded a vote on the deal in Parliament, saying it would show “complete disrespect to the public” if MPs were denied a say.

Sir Ed Davey said: “When it comes to any trade deal – and especially one with someone as unreliable as Donald Trump – the devil will be in the detail.

“One thing is clear, Trump’s trade tariffs are still hitting key British industries, threatening the livelihoods of people across the UK.”
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I expect Farage and Reform to remain quiet since speaking ill of this deal might be speaking ill of Trump indirectly and Farage tries not to do that.
 
Soggy paper straw said:
I have tried understanding this more but I cannot find anywhere effects on immigration. It seems it is only taxes for the individual? (Or also taxes for business?)
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Basically, for the first 3 years on a visa in the UK, Indians won't have to pay any national insurance. National insurance is a tax everybody pays at a flat percentage depending on how much you make a week. This tax exists alongside council tax, which is a whole other thing but also gets charged to people depending various factors. The long and short of it is it will enable Indians to pay less than the average Brit for the first three years of living here whilst also benefiting from the systems that national insurance is meant to pay for. This benefits students and people here on work visas, so overall it's an extra incentive for Indians to come here, alongside our generous benefits system and free healthcare, which'll they'll further burden. People here on work visas can eventually earn citizenship, then bring in family who statistically will just end up being a benefit sponge. This will just add extra burden onto our already struggling budget for no tangible benefit.
 
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Basically, for the first 3 years on a visa in the UK, Indians won't have to pay any national insurance. National insurance is a tax everybody pays at a flat percentage depending on how much you make a week. This tax exists alongside council tax, which is a whole other thing but also gets charged to people depending various factors. The long and short of it is it will enable Indians to pay less than the average Brit for the first three years of living here whilst also benefiting from the systems that national insurance is meant to pay for. This benefits students and people here on work visas, so overall it's an extra incentive for Indians to come here, alongside our generous benefits system and free healthcare, which'll they'll further burden. People here on work visas can eventually earn citizenship, then bring in family who statistically will just end up being a benefit sponge. This will just add extra burden onto our already struggling budget for no tangible benefit.
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And then at the end of three years they'll be allowed to stay forever cos muh yooman right and muh rightz to a family life. Fandabbidozi
 
>IMPLYING said:
This benefits students and people here on work visas, so overall it's an extra incentive for Indians to come here, alongside our generous benefits system and free healthcare, which'll they'll further burden. People here on work visas can eventually earn citizenship, then bring in family who statistically will just end up being a benefit sponge. This will just add extra burden onto our already struggling budget for no tangible benefit.
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No disagreements from me on the fact that removing the tax is extremely unfair, but I don't see it much as an incentive for immigration and this is not changing the rules to be allowed to immigrate
What I am pointing out is that this deal should not have a major impact on immigration, although it should be criticized for the tax benefits to foreigners (who also have the right to vote, so basically all rights of citizens, plus paying less tax)
 
Soggy paper straw said:
No disagreements from me on the fact that removing the tax is extremely unfair, but I don't see it much as an incentive for immigration and this is not changing the rules to be allowed to immigrate
What I am pointing out is that this deal should not have a major impact on immigration, although it should be criticized for the tax benefits to foreigners (who also have the right to vote, so basically all rights of citizens, plus paying less tax)
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It might also be worth mentioning that whilst NI is taken out of your paycheck, the employer pays it on your behalf. This also incentivises businesses to hire Indians since they'll also be even cheaper to hire than they already were prior. It doesn't just incentivise Indians to come here for work and studying purposes on top of a free healthcare system and generous benefit system, but also incentivises businesses to hire them over natives due to cheaper costs. That was already a factor since a lot of them abroad lie about capabilities anyway (they don't need to spend money and time training up somebody new), but this just makes it even easier for businesses to go-Indian when it comes to employing foreigners.
 
I wonder what the pharma manufacturing deal was…
… apropos of nothing, our CEO was one of several from biopharma who went to the White House the other week to talk about the pharmaceutical industry in light of tariffs. I suspect a deal was done. Several of the big pharma companies agreed to invest a few billion in American manufacturing sites, so it’s carrot and stick, but it’ll be good for America. I wonder what if anything we get?
 
Pakis taking the houses
indians taking the jobs
yanks filling the shelves with the worst goyslop on the planet
lol, lmao even.

Anyone wanna buy a car cheap? I'm not coming back to the UK.
 
Made In Wales said:
Starmer clearly is out of his depth as PM and I don't believe that he wants the job if it means being here, hearing the never-ending criticism from both sides, and not at Davos or the WEF's latest shindig.
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Starmer is a sociopath/narcisist type and the idea he'd ever willingly give up power is bonkers. You're in it for the long haul, unless he gets knifed by his own party
 
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