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Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa. Seeing as these guys want to take on the world, why not chronicle their adventures?

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BRICS welcomes new members in push to reshuffle world order​


  • Summary
  • Bloc adds Saudi Arabia, Iran, Ethiopia, Egypt, Argentina and UAE
  • Expansion could lend global clout to BRICS
  • Group leaves door open to further expansion
JOHANNESBURG, Aug 24 (Reuters) - The BRICS bloc of developing nations agreed on Thursday to admit Saudi Arabia, Iran, Ethiopia, Egypt, Argentina and the United Arab Emirates in a move aimed at accelerating its push to reshuffle a world order it sees as outdated.

In deciding in favour of an expansion - the bloc's first in 13 years - BRICS leaders left the door open to future enlargement as dozens more countries voiced interest in joining a grouping they hope can level the global playing field.



The expansion adds economic heft to BRICS, whose current members are China, the world's second largest economy, as well as Brazil, Russia, India and South Africa. It could also amplify its declared ambition to become a champion of the Global South.

But long-standing tensions could linger between members who want to forge the grouping into a counterweight to the West - notably China, Russia and now Iran - and those that continue to nurture close ties to the United States and Europe.


"This membership expansion is historic," Chinese President Xi Jinping, the bloc's most stalwart proponent of enlargement, said. "It shows the determination of BRICS countries for unity and cooperation with the broader developing countries."

Originally an acronym coined by Goldman Sachs chief economist Jim O'Neill in 2001, the bloc was founded as an informal four-nation club in 2009 and added South Africa a year later in its only previous expansion.



The six new candidates will formally become members on Jan. 1, 2024, South African President Cyril Ramaphosa said when he named the countries during a three-day leaders' summit he is hosting in Johannesburg.

"BRICS has embarked on a new chapter in its effort to build a world that is fair, a world that is just, a world that is also inclusive and prosperous," Ramaphosa said.

"We have consensus on the first phase of this expansion process and other phases will follow."


FRIENDS AND ALLIES LEAD CANDIDATES​

The countries invited to join reflect individual BRICS members' desires to bring allies into the club.

Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva had vocally lobbied for neighbour Argentina's inclusion while Egypt has close commercial ties with Russia and India.

The entry of oil powers Saudi Arabia and UAE highlights their drift away from the United States' orbit and ambition to become global heavyweights in their own right.

Russia and Iran have found common cause in their shared struggle against U.S.-led sanctions and diplomatic isolation, with their economic ties deepening in the wake of Moscow's invasion of Ukraine.

"BRICS is not competing with anyone," Russia's Vladimir Putin, who is attending the summit remotely due to an international warrant for alleged war crimes, said on Thursday.




"But it's also obvious that this process of the emerging of a new world order still has fierce opponents."

Iran's President Ebrahim Raisi celebrated his country's BRICS invitation with a swipe at Washington, saying on Iranian television network Al Alam that the expansion "shows that the unilateral approach is on the way to decay".

Beijing is close to Ethiopia and the country's inclusion also speaks to South Africa's desire to amplify Africa's voice in global affairs.

LOFTY AMBITIONS, LITTLE RESULTS​

United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres attended Thursday's expansion announcement, reflecting the bloc's growing influence. He echoed BRICS' longstanding calls for reforms of the U.N. Security Council, International Monetary Fund and World Bank.

"Today's global governance structures reflect yesterday's world," he said. "For multilateral institutions to remain truly universal, they must reform to reflect today's power and economic realities."

BRICS countries have economies that are vastly different in scale and governments with often divergent foreign policy goals, a complicating factor for the bloc's consensus decision-making model.

Though home to about 40% of the world's population and a quarter of global gross domestic product, internal divisions have long hobbled BRICS ambitions of becoming a major player on the world stage.

It has long been criticised for failing to live up to its grand ambitions.

The regularly repeated desire of its member states to wean themselves off the dollar, for example, has never materialised. And its most concrete achievement, the New Development Bank, is now struggling in the face of sanctions against founding shareholder Russia.

Even as BRICS leaders this week weighed expanding the group - a move every one of them publicly supported - divisions surfaced over how much and how quickly.

Last-minute deliberations over entry criteria and which countries to invite to join extended late into Wednesday evening.

Bloc heavyweight China has long called for an expansion of BRICS as it seeks to challenge Western dominance, a strategy shared by Russia.

Other BRICS members support fostering the creation of a multi-polar global order. But Brazil and India have both also been forging closer ties with the West.

Brazil's Lula has rejected the idea that the bloc should seek to rival the United States and Group of Seven wealthy economies. However, as he departed South Africa on Thursday, he said he saw no contradiction in bringing in Iran - a historical arch-foe of Washington - if it advanced the cause of the developing world.

"We can't deny the geopolitical importance of Iran and other countries that will join BRICS. ... What matters is not the person who governs but the importance of the country."


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Destroying the Petrodollar and US Hegemony Bric by Bric.

More countries joining are just another Bric in the wall.
 
I think it's better to put it in Happenings. Anyways I agree with what someone said in another thread - they are all shitholes united in having corrupt economies you'd be mad to actually invest in.
 
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BRICS Currency Was Never On Table, South African Finance Chief Says​

“No one has tabled the issue of a BRICS currency, not even in informal meetings,” Enoch Godongwana said in an interview on the sidelines of the bloc’s annual summit in Johannesburg on Thursday. “Setting up a common currency presupposes setting up a central bank, and that presupposes loosing independence on monetary policies, and I don’t think any country is ready for that.”

The bloc, which also includes Brazil, Russia, India and China is evaluating other ways to reduce their reliance on the greenback, including trading directly in their own units and ensuring that the New Development Bank, which they established in 2015, adapts how it raises its funding.

By way of example, when South Africa trades with neighboring Botswana, which isn’t a BRICS member, “we know the rate of exchange between the two currencies, “ Godongwana said. “There is no reason why we can’t pay them in pula and they pay us in rands.”

The finance minister welcomed a decision by BRICS to extend membership invitations to six more countries, because it would give South Africa better access to bigger markets and deepen trade relations between the Global South.

Other highlights from the interview:​

  • “The Chinese themselves want their renminbi to be recognized as a reserve currency by the World Bank and International Monetary Fund, and if you are saying they must abandon that project, they will not be happy.”
  • There is an incorrect perception that BRICS wants to develop an “anti-West “ or an “anti-Swift” payment platform.
  • “There is a discussion by central bankers of how to facilitate payments between countries, assuming we use local currencies.
 
All this cope about the fall of the dollar and the new multi polar world is getting repetitive. China is not going to offer their currency as a serious reserve, it would mean losing control over it and India would never give them that amount of power over their economy. Nobody is going to do a common currency with south Africa, Argentina, Iran and Russia. And the gulf countries love to talk shit but try to take a single dollar from their dead cold hands. If/when the dollar falls it will come from the inside.

The brics will keep going as as they have been doing since invented and like all similar organizations, they are going to do a meeting every couple of years, make vague threats that never materialize, vote on how bad the Americans and the jews are, pat themselves in the back and then go home.
 
We are the future.

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I really don't want to spoil it all but the de-dollarization is successful, we get a short cold war 2.0 stand-off between BRICSTQIA+ and whatever remains of NATO, in the end they all come together (no pun intended) in one big kumbaya because it turns out only the magic of Friendship can defeat global warming/the pandemic/white supremacy/any other placeholder crisis. We finally get the world government and a single currency connected to a global ID, lended to you on the blockchain by Moshe Leibowitz at a benevolent 419853712351% interest rate. The End.

In the short term I will root for the team with less troons, but in the wider perspective I do not forget that there has been no real opposition to the (((system))) since 1945, and that all of what's happening is just the Allied powers quarelling between themselves

See, one thing I like about BRICS is that all of them - the nigger, the pajeet, the chink and so on - they all live in their separate countries. In the US and the EU you still get all of them, but they live on the same street as you
 
Using SWIFT as a weapon was always going to drive people to create their own options which would then naturally move them away from the dollar.
 
Imagine running around DC circa 2016 and telling them what will happen with Saudi relations over the next half decade. You'd get thrown in a looney bin faster than you can say "jfk was gay"
 
I like BRICS. No problems, generally. But I don't know what it is that they actually do. And neither do they.
It’s basically a bunch of countries trying to find a way to stabilize their economies in a world where the dollar won’t be the world’s reserve currency.
Using SWIFT as a weapon was always going to drive people to create their own options which would then naturally move them away from the dollar.
Few burgers truly understand what a total mistake it was to weaponize SWIFT. Trying to cancel Russia like they were Internet wrongthinkers is peak arrogance that we’re all going to have to pay for and I don’t mean the $150+ billion we pissed away in Ukraine that we will never get a return on.
 
Imagine running around DC circa 2016 and telling them what will happen with Saudi relations over the next half decade. You'd get thrown in a looney bin faster than you can say "jfk was gay"
Petrostates are definitely better going woth Russia and China than the west.

China is throwing up power stations and churning out cars like crazy. The west is banning the sale of petrol and diesel cars and spending everything on ineffectual renewables because nuh climate.

If a major customer suddenly starts telling you they're going to start phasing out buying from you then you're going to go cosy up to your other customers.
 
Using SWIFT as a weapon was always going to drive people to create their own options which would then naturally move them away from the dollar.
That and printing like crazy and devaluating the currency that everyone uses and holds . I mean it's one thing to pay indirect tax via inflation let's say 2% so you can trade in one currency that everyone uses and knows it's worth another thing is when that indirect tax is 10%
 


BRICS? Maybe. What cohesion do the member states have and how many will achieve stability or maintain stability over the next decade? And much like this video points out, BRICS and BRICS nations are still largely dependent on Western banking and media schemes.

But it is good that BRICS exists.
 
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