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Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa. Seeing as these guys want to take on the world, why not chronicle their adventures?

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BRICS welcomes new members in push to reshuffle world order​


  • Summary
  • Bloc adds Saudi Arabia, Iran, Ethiopia, Egypt, Argentina and UAE
  • Expansion could lend global clout to BRICS
  • Group leaves door open to further expansion
JOHANNESBURG, Aug 24 (Reuters) - The BRICS bloc of developing nations agreed on Thursday to admit Saudi Arabia, Iran, Ethiopia, Egypt, Argentina and the United Arab Emirates in a move aimed at accelerating its push to reshuffle a world order it sees as outdated.

In deciding in favour of an expansion - the bloc's first in 13 years - BRICS leaders left the door open to future enlargement as dozens more countries voiced interest in joining a grouping they hope can level the global playing field.



The expansion adds economic heft to BRICS, whose current members are China, the world's second largest economy, as well as Brazil, Russia, India and South Africa. It could also amplify its declared ambition to become a champion of the Global South.

But long-standing tensions could linger between members who want to forge the grouping into a counterweight to the West - notably China, Russia and now Iran - and those that continue to nurture close ties to the United States and Europe.


"This membership expansion is historic," Chinese President Xi Jinping, the bloc's most stalwart proponent of enlargement, said. "It shows the determination of BRICS countries for unity and cooperation with the broader developing countries."

Originally an acronym coined by Goldman Sachs chief economist Jim O'Neill in 2001, the bloc was founded as an informal four-nation club in 2009 and added South Africa a year later in its only previous expansion.



The six new candidates will formally become members on Jan. 1, 2024, South African President Cyril Ramaphosa said when he named the countries during a three-day leaders' summit he is hosting in Johannesburg.

"BRICS has embarked on a new chapter in its effort to build a world that is fair, a world that is just, a world that is also inclusive and prosperous," Ramaphosa said.

"We have consensus on the first phase of this expansion process and other phases will follow."


FRIENDS AND ALLIES LEAD CANDIDATES​

The countries invited to join reflect individual BRICS members' desires to bring allies into the club.

Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva had vocally lobbied for neighbour Argentina's inclusion while Egypt has close commercial ties with Russia and India.

The entry of oil powers Saudi Arabia and UAE highlights their drift away from the United States' orbit and ambition to become global heavyweights in their own right.

Russia and Iran have found common cause in their shared struggle against U.S.-led sanctions and diplomatic isolation, with their economic ties deepening in the wake of Moscow's invasion of Ukraine.

"BRICS is not competing with anyone," Russia's Vladimir Putin, who is attending the summit remotely due to an international warrant for alleged war crimes, said on Thursday.




"But it's also obvious that this process of the emerging of a new world order still has fierce opponents."

Iran's President Ebrahim Raisi celebrated his country's BRICS invitation with a swipe at Washington, saying on Iranian television network Al Alam that the expansion "shows that the unilateral approach is on the way to decay".

Beijing is close to Ethiopia and the country's inclusion also speaks to South Africa's desire to amplify Africa's voice in global affairs.

LOFTY AMBITIONS, LITTLE RESULTS​

United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres attended Thursday's expansion announcement, reflecting the bloc's growing influence. He echoed BRICS' longstanding calls for reforms of the U.N. Security Council, International Monetary Fund and World Bank.

"Today's global governance structures reflect yesterday's world," he said. "For multilateral institutions to remain truly universal, they must reform to reflect today's power and economic realities."

BRICS countries have economies that are vastly different in scale and governments with often divergent foreign policy goals, a complicating factor for the bloc's consensus decision-making model.

Though home to about 40% of the world's population and a quarter of global gross domestic product, internal divisions have long hobbled BRICS ambitions of becoming a major player on the world stage.

It has long been criticised for failing to live up to its grand ambitions.

The regularly repeated desire of its member states to wean themselves off the dollar, for example, has never materialised. And its most concrete achievement, the New Development Bank, is now struggling in the face of sanctions against founding shareholder Russia.

Even as BRICS leaders this week weighed expanding the group - a move every one of them publicly supported - divisions surfaced over how much and how quickly.

Last-minute deliberations over entry criteria and which countries to invite to join extended late into Wednesday evening.

Bloc heavyweight China has long called for an expansion of BRICS as it seeks to challenge Western dominance, a strategy shared by Russia.

Other BRICS members support fostering the creation of a multi-polar global order. But Brazil and India have both also been forging closer ties with the West.

Brazil's Lula has rejected the idea that the bloc should seek to rival the United States and Group of Seven wealthy economies. However, as he departed South Africa on Thursday, he said he saw no contradiction in bringing in Iran - a historical arch-foe of Washington - if it advanced the cause of the developing world.

"We can't deny the geopolitical importance of Iran and other countries that will join BRICS. ... What matters is not the person who governs but the importance of the country."


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I focus on healthcare too, interestingly enough! It's honestly a good question.

The big challenge with a convertible-on-demand currency is you have to keep enough of the commodities stored on hand so people can redeem their paper money for the products it's backed by. More valuable ones like oil are easier to use for this vs. something like wheat or steel but you still run into problems. Steel is cheap so redeeming your money for any quantity of it would leave you with a lot of metal you can't use.

Oil and its products break down under normal conditions after a short time (this is why you put Stabil in the gas tank if you're not using something for a while). It would also be a remarkable scientific achievement if someone could build a home refinery to turn a barrel of crude oil into useful products.

Wheat can be stored for a long time under good conditions but it will still suffer losses in storage. Raw grain is kind of useless unless you can take it to a mill to grind into flour or do it yourself, which is again a pain in either case and something most people don't want to do. I also think it would be hard to buy things with a sack full of grain.

A gold bar can at least be carried from place to place, but again...what is it exactly worth vs. a piece of paper?
Makes sense; under that logic, I'm guessing that a mix of high value and long lasting commodities would be best, such as gold, silver, rare earths, palladium, and perhaps radioactove elements that can be used as nuclear fuel could be viable.
 
Makes sense; under that logic, I'm guessing that a mix of high value and long lasting commodities would be best, such as gold, silver, rare earths, palladium, and perhaps radioactove elements that can be used as nuclear fuel could be viable.
Makes sense to me, I would also include fertilizers and their feedstocks like phosphorus-containing ores. It needs to be resources that can be used by manufacturers and large agricultural producers to make products.

A person might not be willing to redeem it for gold or silver but knowing it's backed by enough food production to keep them fed, that's a pretty good deal. I think most of the world would be fine using a partially-convertible currency under these circumstances.
 
Does this guy need his own thread?

Just searched his name to see if he had one, I was considering it. An autistic Austrian man traveling Europe as head of a one man council he made up, making insane map game demands of various countries lest they face his wrath, leading a hash tag campaign for wikipedia to give him his own page, he seems like a good candidate. But.. he's just having so much fun. He'll go to Dublin, demand Ireland join NATO or get Cromwell 2.0'd and he's having the time of his life. I can't help but support the Furherlinger.
 
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Argentine President Javier Milei has sent letters to BRICS leaders to formalize his decision to reject an invitation to join the grouping of major emerging economies, the presidency said Friday.

The bloc — made up of Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa — in August announced it was admitting six new members in a bid to counter the Western-led global order.

The membership of Argentina, Ethiopia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and the United Arab Emirates was due to take effect from January 1, 2024.

The letters signed by Milei and published by several media houses said Argentina’s membership was “not considered appropriate at this time.”

The libertarian outsider Milei took office this month after his resounding defeat of Argentina’s traditional political parties, and he had vowed on the campaign trail not to join BRICS.

In his letters he said his foreign policy “differs in many aspects from that of the previous government. In this sense, some decisions made by the previous administration will be reviewed.”

During his election campaign, Milei said “our geopolitical alignment is with the United States and Israel. We are not going to ally with communists.”

Despite vowing to cut ties with major trading partners China and Brazil, he has taken a more conciliatory tone since coming to office.
 
Time to bump this thread with something then India did who angered China.

India has made an attempt to remain neutral throughout this massive world conflict. They are in BRICS, conduct business with the West, and abstained from voting for ceasefire between Israel and Palestine. Yet it is not possible to remain neutral amid such intense tensions between nations. India recently angered China by accepting a congratulatory message from Taiwan’s newly appointed president.

“I look forward to closer ties as we work towards mutually beneficial economic and technological partnership,” Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi told Lai Ching-te after Taiwan’s new president congratulated him on his re-election. Lai Ching-te posted on social media that he looks forward to “enhancing the fast-growing Taiwan-India partnership.”

Taiwan is expected to hire up to 100,000 Indian workers, while India is posed to open trade with Taiwan. India does not officially have a stance on the One China policy but China views any neutrality as aggression. Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Mao Ning released a statement after the short interaction between Modi and Lai Ching-te.
 
Time to bump this thread with something then India did who angered China.
This is why any attempts at making BRICS so far has failed. All attempts at things like BRICS end in infighting power vacuums from people who are half in, half out, and can be easily bought. I don't buy that BRICS will last. These countries all hate each other and are only bonded over a mutual desire to decouple from the US. Yeah, BRICS has been wildly successful in decoupling, but the question of "Now What?" is and has always been the problem. The reality is, all this does is just make the world more chaotic and that benefits nobody. If you think this little alliance is going to last, get real. India can't even agree to what currency they'll use. You think anyone is going to use the Yuan? Not after China's economy just tumbled. None of these guys have the same political interests.

All this kvetching over the Petro dollar has done is just revert us back to the military dollar. Which is the only dollar that ever mattered. The reality is, China is smoke and mirrors outside of their military. None of the infrastructure they're building will last, it's not designed to. Everyone knows this.
 
I don't buy that BRICS will last
What is there even to BRICS that can even end?

It's not exactly a formal group that tries achieving goals together, it's pretty much just an excuse to have yet another summit to pretend they're doing something meaningful.

Reminds me of wannabe girlbosses that'd 'network' by hitting up a bar with other wannabe girlbosses.
 
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