Brianna Wu / John Flynt - Original Thread

[soliloquyR]

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"Terrible shit happens no matter what you choose"This is where Rev60 fails in comparison to Undertale.
In Undertale, there are numerous endings, just like Rev60. But where they differ is how you feel about the characters and decisions you make.
Undertale has many lovable and relatable characters who you grow attatched to quickly.
Rev60's characters are awful mary-sue inserts who are constantly at each others throats.
UT's characters make it harder to do the Genocide run, where you kill everything in sight. It's even harder once you get the True Pacifist ending.
Rev60's characters make you just want to kill them regardless.
The main difference is that in Rev60, there are no moments of positivity or comradery, no relatabilty to be found, thus making the player feel more detached. Leaving little to no feeling every bad ending. There are no good endings to be found, making playing the game feel meaningless. Why bother if you're going to fail, anyway?
Undertale has a trump card, though. The game remembers everything you do. Every choice you make, even if you close the game. If you reset your save file after your pacifist run and decide to murder every living thing, all of the characters remember your past playthrough. It gets even scarier once you have to sell your soul to even play the game again. Where all of the endings are altered.

tl;dr: UNDERTALE TAKES EVERY MEASURE TO LEAVE AN IMPACT ON THE PLAYER WHILE REV60 DOESN'T, AND LOCKS THE PLAYER INTO 24 BAD ENDINGS.
tl;dr x2 : UNDERTALE HAS GOOD ENDINGS WHILE REV60 DOESN'T.

 

[Kosher Dill]

Also, for those of you who refer to Wu as their previous name and use male pronouns, is that a disrespect reserved solely for Wu or is that the way you'd normally refer to transgender people? I'm simply curious.

Eh, it's kind of a special case. After all, John Flynt is still very much with us - at least half this thread is devoted to discussing a product that stems directly from the days when Brianna W. Spacekat hadn't been invented yet. Ignoring him would be like talking about "Christine Chandler" with no reference to that other guy who wore striped shirts.

 

[GleamingTheQ-Bert]

These recent tweets have made it clear to me that Rev60 is just a low-budget Mass Effect fangame where the diverse cast and range of lifeforms is replaced by white women and misc. bad guys. Exactly what gaming needed.

Also, for those of you who refer to Wu as their previous name and use male pronouns, is that a disrespect reserved solely for Wu or is that the way you'd normally refer to transgender people? I'm simply curious.

It depends, really. Do said transgenders actively deny being transgender, and regularly make pronouncements about the trials and tribulations of their adopted gender, all the while denying their former sex?

It smacks of shame: Brianna Wu is ashamed of being transgender, and ashamed of having been John Flynt.

I don't think this denial of reality is common among transgenders, but to pass the question back to you, what do you think?

 

[AnOminous]

John, you're so original. No one has ever explored the "Trolley problem" before.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Xa6c3OTr6yA

I can think of a better version of that, though.

Suppose you have a switch you can pull and an oncoming train will deviate from running over Brianna Wu and will run over Phil Haskins-Delici instead.

How do you kill both of them?

It smacks of shame: Brianna Wu is ashamed of being transgender, and ashamed of having been John Flynt.

Wu should be ashamed to have been John Flynt, as Wu was an utter piece of shit when using that name.

Wu should also be ashamed to still be the same utter piece of shit that used to be called John Flynt.

 

[uberzilla]

tl;dr: UNDERTALE TAKES EVERY MEASURE TO LEAVE AN IMPACT ON THE PLAYER WHILE REV60 DOESN'T, AND LOCKS THE PLAYER INTO 24 BAD ENDINGS.
tl;dr x2 : UNDERTALE HAS GOOD ENDINGS WHILE REV60 DOESN'T.

Undertale is the antithesis to Rev60 and if Wu had any sort of self-awareness it should drive them mad.

It has actual gameplay, a fun plot, an interesting and diverse cast and meaningful endings driven by player choices. The developer spent their time developing the game rather than shilling their patreon, complaining on Twitter and trying to become a minor e-celebrity.

 

[Furina]

I can think of a better version of that, though.

Suppose you have a switch you can pull and an oncoming train will deviate from running over Brianna Wu and will run over Phil Haskins-Delici instead.

How do you kill both of them?

Easy.

 

[ActualKiwi]

Undertale is the antithesis to Rev60 and if Wu had any sort of self-awareness it should drive them mad.

It has actual gameplay, a fun plot, an interesting and diverse cast and meaningful endings driven by player choices. The developer spent their time developing the game rather than shilling their patreon, complaining on Twitter and trying to become a minor e-celebrity.

It also has a massive (if slightly weird) fanbase, which Rev 60 doesn't
EDIT: Densha de D?

 

[Smutley]

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When I think "Mass Effect-esque space opera with multiple hard choices and no good endings" I totally think of a game where:

• The main character yells "Whappity-pow!" to her braindead friend
• A GLaDOS ripoff rambles about going insane from having to do work analyzing soybean futures
• The GLaDOS ripoff goes XD lolrandom crazy-go-nuts and says polygon names Wu learned about from Wikipedia.
• Two characters who didn't meet before the mission talk about that cute boy Chase Wu and how someone should date him

 

[uberzilla]

I don't think this denial of reality is common among transgenders, but to pass the question back to you, what do you think?

I think I've been careful to refer to Wu with gender-neutral pronouns because as much as I dislike them, I'd prefer not to let myself down by intentionally misgendering them. There's enough material with which to criticize Wu without undermining my points that way.

That said, I think it's insulting for Wu to both cash-in on the special treatment afforded to them by being known as transgender and also act as if they are biologically female. I feel like they are getting the best of both worlds because no one will call them on this obvious act. People know they're transgender or else they wouldn't be afforded such delicate and obsequious behavior - people feel progressive by being sycophantic towards Wu and protecting them from the evil Gamergate.

However, I don't know whether I'm right to feel this way at all. Does Wu actually pretend to be born biologically female? I feel like they have but I couldn't tell you anything off the top of my head. At worst, I know that they've been avoiding acknowledging it but that isn't quite the same as lying about it.

 

[AnOminous]

It also has a massive (if slightly weird) fanbase, which Rev 60 doesn't
EDIT: Densha de D?

Rev 60 has literally nobody who cares about it. Even Wu knows that anyone asking when it's going to be released is probably just mocking Wu.

But the moment it is released on Steam, that is it for Wu's "career" as a "game developer" and Wu knows that.

Nobody will put more money into a Wu train wreck and the Frank Chu cuck boat won't pay for another disaster like this.

 

[uberzilla]

Are you sure about that, though? Wu still has 500 patrons on Patreon who receive nothing in return. I could easily imagine them buying it on Steam but not playing it.

 

[Sarcastic Username]

Wu has never confirmed being trans, and chimps out if any article talks about her deadname.

 

[Cynical]

I think I've been careful to refer to Wu with gender-neutral pronouns because as much as I dislike them, I'd prefer not to let myself down by intentionally misgendering them. There's enough material with which to criticize Wu without undermining my points that way.

That said, I think it's insulting for Wu to both cash-in on the special treatment afforded to them by being known as transgender and also act as if they are biologically female. I feel like they are getting the best of both worlds because no one will call them on this obvious act. People know they're transgender or else they wouldn't be afforded such delicate and obsequious behavior - people feel progressive by being sycophantic towards Wu and protecting them from the evil Gamergate.

However, I don't know whether I'm right to feel this way at all. Does Wu actually pretend to be born biologically female? I feel like they have but I couldn't tell you anything off the top of my head. At worst, I know that they've been avoiding acknowledging it but that isn't quite the same as lying about it.

Wu is confirmably transgender, the article on Breitbart exposing Wu as Flynt got confirmation from the transgender forum Wu used to be a member of. However, Wu refuses to confirm or deny the allegations, merely citing them as "rumors", even stating that he purposely refused to confirm the allegations one way or another while happily pretending as if he's been born female while dancing around the exact specifics of certain aspects of his childhood. Even Wikipedia censors any mention of Wu's original birth gender as "deadnaming" (thus admitting it true but not included because they are terrified of lawsuits).

Thing is, even the people on Wu's own side know he's lying. Other transsexuals who used to drink the koolaid with Wu who wised up admit Wu's trans. Even Arthur Chu confirmed it when he bitched some comments about a transgender person getting outed couldn't be censored by him, and the thread in question only outed one (John Flynt). Also, people who knew Flynt in college know full well Brianna Wu is John Flynt and even had a thread laughing at his antics as Flynt.

Wu is ashamed of being transgender because, if you follow his past in the transgender community, he's pissed them off so royally they loathe his ass, so since he burned those bridges so badly, he knows trying to play the tranny card will end badly for him, even though it's his worst kept secret.

Throw in all of the embarrassing, sexist, racist, and utterly crazy shit he did as John Flynt, and Wu has every reason to deny his past.

 

[zedkissed60]

Great idea, John. Going to bat for Sick Nick Nyberg again? "FANTASTIC" move, big guy.
https://tweetsave.com/spacekatgal/status/685565447626985472

Excerpt:
"Take the case of trans writer Sarah Nyberg. Over the last year, Nyberg has been using Twitter to criticize Gamergate, a loose movement that has virulently fought against accusations of sexism in video games. Nyberg argued that Gamergate was shot through with sexism, anger, transphobia, and violence. Gamergate advocates responded by finding and revealing her name and personal information online and sending her rape and death threats. They hacked her personal server and used ten-year-old chat logs to spread baseless accusations of pedophilia."

 

[Sarcastic Username]

spread baseless accusations of pedophilia."

That's provably wrong.

I'm not as convinced of the accusations as some other people, but the accusations are definitely not "baseless."

 

[Cynical]

That's provably wrong.

I'm not as convinced of the accusations as some other people, but the accusations are definitely not "baseless."

Nyberg even admitted what he said was legit in that "edgelord" defense.

 

[Ravana]

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[Giddyup]

I don't misgender Wu out of basic common courtesy, as much as I may dislike what she says online. Even if she vehemently denies being trans, it's not my place to suggest she "own up" to it, because gender dysphoria isn't a town in which I can give directions.

I frequently interact with the mentally ill at my job. Many of them can be unpleasant to be around, and for a lot of different reasons. But if I let their behavior actually get to me beyond temporary annoyance, I would have to quit. Similarly, I follow Wu's shenanigans as a source of entertainment; she's a loud, obnoxious cartoon character and I'm always curious what pretentious crap she'll say next. But nothing she does actually affects my life, so I can't justify getting legit upset when she says things that insult men, gamers, etc. Even if she has an obscenely privileged lot in life, there are THOUSANDS of other people who are even richer, even more shameless, and who are actively making this world a worse place to live. All she is is a crazy person who got very, very lucky.

 

[Von Clausewitz]

Wu's the anti-Spock.

"The lives and needs of the many do not outweigh the lives and needs of the very few I deem worthy."

After all, if you blow up all the people you disagree with to make the world/galaxy a safer place, it is not that bad to kill a lot of innocents in the process, right? It's not like life isn't easily replenishable.

Edit. Spock ninja'd by @zedkissed60!!!

FTFY:
"The life and needs of Brianna Wu outweigh the lives and needs of everyone else."

 

[soliloquyR]

Great idea, John. Going to bat for Sick Nick Nyberg again? "FANTASTIC" move, big guy.
[MEDIA=twitter]685565447626985472[/MEDIA]https://tweetsave.com/spacekatgal/status/685565447626985472

Excerpt:
"Take the case of trans writer Sarah Nyberg. Over the last year, Nyberg has been using Twitter to criticize Gamergate, a loose movement that has virulently fought against accusations of sexism in video games. Nyberg argued that Gamergate was shot through with sexism, anger, transphobia, and violence. Gamergate advocates responded by finding and revealing her name and personal information online and sending her rape and death threats. They hacked her personal server and used ten-year-old chat logs to spread baseless accusations of pedophilia."

Nyberg has acknowledged that they're real. And in his defence, he claims that he was an "edgelord". Doesn't change the fact that he's a sick pedophile.