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I think the only time I've come across men getting uncomfortable about a scantly clad male character was with Voldo (Soul Calibur), but then again, that guy is supposed to be creepy.
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Source?
On a more serious note, I think that even in this case, it's due to how he acts and moves, not bondage gear.
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I thought "phobia" was Greek?
Anyway it looks like BABD has a fear of boobs too.
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Male players finding Voldo unsettling probably has more to do with him being covered with a bunch of Hellraiser-esque BDSM imagery than the amount of skin he’s showing.
Anyone whose ever seen dudes play games like Dead Rising or the Saints Row series where there’s appearance customization would know that dudes often go for revealing/risqué costume choices just for the sheer fun of it. Outside of jokes the vast majority won’t care at all if there’s a male character in a revealing outfit.
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How about mammophobia? Mammē is the Greek word for breast.
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I like yours more than mine.
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That and his bizarre movement and stances, some of which don't seem physically possible.
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They say half-naked muscular characters are a "male power fantasy" but intentionally forget all those women and faggots who get off on muscley guys because it's not part of the narrative. Because guys NEVER get objectified, no siree Bob. I'm sure Chris Hemsworth getting his shirt off in every Thor movie is there to appeal to the male power fantasy and not to the "female gaze".
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A lot of half naked muscular characters are shown in a nonsexy way
Like in the above post zangief and urien are clearly not meant to be a character to ogle
Someone being half naked does not automatically mean they're fanservice
People who think that shirtless muscular man = fanservice are fucking retarded,even moreso than BABD,it's such a stale argument which has already been disproven
In fact the voldo thing mentioned on this very page is proof of that,
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I think it's pretty unfair to say that just because something is a bit scantily-clad = sexy. If that's the case than that logic means than babies coming out of the womb is somehow objectifying.
I'm not gonna act like I don't get a little peeved when a clearly fanservice character stinks up the plot. I get it. It's annoying. But for some reason, instead of complaining about shit ruining those anime and games, they complain about fully developed characters.
For all intents and purposes characters like Bayonetta and Wonderwoman are fully developed characters. Even characters you choose to design in games can be anything you want in most cases. Certain classes have a standard for a reason. Some things are going to fit better on men and women differently.
I just don't see how a women liking to draw sexy women is somehow a crime. The same goes for men too. As long as it doesn't stink up the plot it's fine.
I'm not gonna act like I don't get a little peeved when a clearly fanservice character stinks up the plot. I get it. It's annoying. But for some reason, instead of complaining about shit ruining those anime and games, they complain about fully developed characters.
For all intents and purposes characters like Bayonetta and Wonderwoman are fully developed characters. Even characters you choose to design in games can be anything you want in most cases. Certain classes have a standard for a reason. Some things are going to fit better on men and women differently.
I just don't see how a women liking to draw sexy women is somehow a crime. The same goes for men too. As long as it doesn't stink up the plot it's fine.
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I don't think it's fair to use porn/ lewd images as an example because the entire point of porn is to sensationalize and titulate an audience. Sure, these guys are already super muscular, but to many people that wouldn't necessarily be conventionally attractive. It would be more horrifying than anything. I'd also argue that the fanservice would come from wanting to be strong super-powered guy and beat up stuff. Just like with most superheroes and such. (I'll also add that many wrestlers or martial artists in real life wear the bare minimum or loose clothing)
Could people be attracted to that stuff? Sure. But the point I'm trying to make is not every scantily-clad person is a result of someone being super horny. If that's the case then many huge muscular horror monsters would fit in that as well.
The problem with BBAD is that they see any small amount of showing skin as a sign of being a slut. It's no different compared some Puritan thinking showing a bit of your ankles means you are an indecent person. You can depict the human body in nudity and not be a super horny person. Many artists have to learn to draw a body to get the figure. That doesn't make them a bad person. It's just a form of learning.
BBAD insists that any amount of nudity means you're an awful person for doing so no matter the situation.
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You're a brainlet
I didn't say they can't be fanservice,i'm saying that they aren't inherently and a lot of the time they aren't
Again just look at voldo,by your logic he's fanservice
Urien is not fanservice neither is zangief
Just look at male characters actually used as fan service and you'll see the difference
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Voldo was mentioned as an example of occasions when a scantily clad character makes some men uneasy, and that it’s for reasons other than the amount of skin he’s showing; not that skin = fanservice.
The fallacy BABD utilizes that I think people are arguing against is that a male character that’s meant to be fanservice would most definitely be hated by men as much as the BABD chicks hate even a suggestion of tits, which for the most part seems unfounded. On average men seem to either find it funny or don’t care as long as it doesn’t do cringey “Oooooh look at how subversive and progressive we’re being!!” shit on top of that (see: Marvel Comics) and I have yet to see such obsessive cataloging/criticizing of every male fan service character being done by a men the way BABD, Repair Her Armor, The Hawkeye Initiative, Escher Girls, etc. do.
Hell, I tend to see more women complaining about fan-service male characters than I do men. Even gay men barely comment on female-targeted media like fan fiction and yaoi nowadays, with the vast majority of hate towards such fan service being flung by other women and self-diagnosed FTM transtrenders.
The fallacy BABD utilizes that I think people are arguing against is that a male character that’s meant to be fanservice would most definitely be hated by men as much as the BABD chicks hate even a suggestion of tits, which for the most part seems unfounded. On average men seem to either find it funny or don’t care as long as it doesn’t do cringey “Oooooh look at how subversive and progressive we’re being!!” shit on top of that (see: Marvel Comics) and I have yet to see such obsessive cataloging/criticizing of every male fan service character being done by a men the way BABD, Repair Her Armor, The Hawkeye Initiative, Escher Girls, etc. do.
Hell, I tend to see more women complaining about fan-service male characters than I do men. Even gay men barely comment on female-targeted media like fan fiction and yaoi nowadays, with the vast majority of hate towards such fan service being flung by other women and self-diagnosed FTM transtrenders.
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You haven't been paying attention if you don't notice when something like that gets popular with women a whole bunch of dudes get insecure/mad,shit on it and call it "gay"
"Hell, I tend to see more women complaining about fan-service male characters than I do men."
What exactly are you referring to?
Yes,which is why I said "By your logic" because he was saying that skin showing = fanservice
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Why does fan service make people angry anyways? I'm body positive and the most extreme reaction I've had to even the most gratuitous fan service was just to roll my eyes and move on. 99% of it doesn't even get a reaction from me.
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Because SJWs are envious and don't know shit about context in fiction and reality, thus citing "muh objectification" as a cop-out. It's the new "OMG VIDEO GAMES CAUSE VIOLENCE!" craze of the 2010's.
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You can make your point without the namecalling, calm down.
I'm not going to pretend I know what women find appealing because I don't but I can agree that Zangief and Urien probably weren't meant to be schlick-bait. I know at least someone who thinks Ryu is their type but I'm not sure who else shares that opinion.
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Zangief is probably a barabait.
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This was followed by the games press flailing around making the same arguments you're making and being unable to convince anybody.
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I've seen various reasons (including some given in this thread) and the obvious answers are jealousy or man hating.
One of the more interesting arguments though is despite women claiming to be "more than a pretty face", many of them aren't. Hell, a lot of them don't even have a pretty face. What's funny though is when you ask what that "more" is and all they do is get angry and start throwing around insults and feminist buzzwords. "Real" women, ie. women who are more than a pretty face don't feel threatened by anime and fanservice in the same way worthwhile men don't see slash fiction or vampire films as a threat.
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"Women are hurt by negative comic/vidya stereotypes depicting them as unrealistic beauty icons"
"And the unrealistic super-beefcake male characters aren't just as bad for men?"
"Body/gender negativity doesn't affect men, they're tougher emotionally than women, who suffer psychological harm from these images"
"Isn't it a bit sexist to declare all "normal" women fragile and all "normal" men stoic to the point of sociopathy?"
"STOP MANSPLAINING YOU MYSOGYNIST! THIS IS WHY THIS STUFF NEEDS BANNED! IT'S USED BY CRETINS LIKE YOU TO ABUSE US!"
Can't tell you how many times I've had some version of that argument.