Business Big Tech Layoffs Megathread - Techbros... we got too cocky...

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Since my previous thread kinda-sorta turned into a soft megathread, and the tech layoffs will continue until morale improves, I think it's better to group them all together.

For those who want a QRD:


Just this week we've had these going on:

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But it's not just Big Tech, the vidya industry is also cleaning house bigly:

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All in all, rough seas ahead for the techbros.
 
even the very first line of this is retarded. how can the success of generative AI lead to a zero work utopia and "universal high income" at the same time? how can either of those things happen? and who enjoys utopia and who doesn't? services must be paid for. who's going to pay for it, or be able to pay for it? why are data centers allowed to simultaneously cripple the quality of life and raise the cost of living wherever they are erected?

as always, yes, we will have to work through societal disruption. the jeet isn't wise for stating the obvious. historically technology, climate, society, etc changes really slowly, like, you could reasonably have lived your life the same way with the same people for 60+ years for most of human history. And in the last 150 years alone all that has just been shot to hell. every 5 years technology changes, society changes, the people circulate like water, skills have to constantly evolve. there's no point in human history that has been like this that wasn't a massive crisis.

so, essentially, the majority of the world population has been in crisis for 5+ generations and its not stopping any time soon. fundamentally, culture is basically collectivised memory. things need to stop changing, then culture will catch up. de-culturization is a reflection of the chaos. if you look at how people handled big changes in the past, it wasn't unusual to take 2-4 generations to stabilize things. of course, the problem now is this: we've all been thrown for some new loop of abject turmoil every 5+ years, for multiple generations in a row now.

it should never have been like this, though. this shitty technocracy. lots of people tap out because this is unprecedented. you could say its going to drive human evolution, because it's literally filtering procreation - technology is literally forcing humanity to evolve differently.

one of the cloudflare outages was caused by a memory truncation, and i'd be willing to bet most people don't even know what the fuck that is (coders under 30 especially) even though it was considered basic knowledge not 20 years ago. there are very few people nowadays who "just know" how shit works at the fundamental level (like security engineers, for example) and there's a critical shortage of that knowledge. their job is to look at whatever IT system and say "This will break in this way and here is why you are stupid and how to not be stupid" and the number of people with this knowledge is decaying rapidly. most of the people who "just know" shit are 45+, and all the people under them don't understand shit about any of it. once the old tech heads who came up between 1980-2000 retire/die there's gonna be such a shitshow, and by that i mean either you are a tech expert and make real money or you are a vibe coding grunt who is paid as much as a desk clerk because you're hardly better than AI (Actually Indian).

all of our eggs are in these monopoly baskets, everything is getting worse, technology isn't fun anymore, and people are still being pathetic sheep about it. the communist chink party puts surveillance in every electronic gewgaw we keep importing and jeets strangle every corporation we have. the CEO of Micron is a FUCKING JEET, including the rest of the executive suite - ALL OF THEM ARE FUCKING JEETS. it's absolutely astonishing to me that Cloudflare isn't Jeetflare (yet). they aren't our people, they aren't us, they are foreigners in total control of American businesses and industries with false credentials and not a single fucking person is doing anything about it. meanwhile, they continue to screw us over and over and over and over.

you, me, our generation: we are in the middle of total chaos. all we can do is our best and pass the torch, and hope the next generation will continue solving things... assuming we don't leave them to the next generation of iPad or, worse, LLM-powered plushies. I am very happy for people who can start families, have kids, find some light in all this, but for all I care, personally, the Jack Welches can inherit the world because all we've proven to be good at is kicking the can down the road and letting ourselves be increasingly deluded while we're raped and plundered by invader filth.

my prediction is that the the next equivalent to a covid plandemic won't be a literal virus with a clot-shot follow up. it'll be the Internet being massively compromised for an extended period, with a focus on damaging Amazon Web Services and Cloudflare.
 
Really makes you think.
Only took one election to make courts do 180 on the issue.
They aren't wrong now tho
even the very first line of this is retarded. how can the success of generative AI lead to a zero work utopia and "universal high income" at the same time?
It would automate bullshit jobs
The reality is that 95% of society needs manual labor and can't survive without it
Nor can goverments
So the Ai never is a solution and never will be
 
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as always, yes, we will have to work through societal disruption. the jeet isn't wise for stating the obvious. historically technology, climate, society, etc changes really slowly, like, you could reasonably have lived your life the same way with the same people for 60+ years for most of human history. And in the last 150 years alone all that has just been shot to hell. every 5 years technology changes, society changes, the people circulate like water, skills have to constantly evolve. there's no point in human history that has been like this that wasn't a massive crisis.
The issue is that when there was a change, there was a clear "WIN" to it beforehand. When the Internet started to become a thing, yes, I made some kinds of jobs obsolete, but others took their place. During the Industrial Revolution, many jobs became unprofitable, but others took their place.

In this case, if they get everything they want with AI, then what is the gain for us non-business people? What Jobs are being created?

one of the cloudflare outages was caused by a memory truncation, and i'd be willing to bet most people don't even know what the fuck that is (coders under 30 especially) even though it was considered basic knowledge not 20 years ago. there are very few people nowadays who "just know" how shit works at the fundamental level (like security engineers, for example) and there's a critical shortage of that knowledge. their job is to look at whatever IT system and say "This will break in this way and here is why you are stupid and how to not be stupid" and the number of people with this knowledge is decaying rapidly. most of the people who "just know" shit are 45+, and all the people under them don't understand shit about any of it. once the old tech heads who came up between 1980-2000 retire/die there's gonna be such a shitshow, and by that i mean either you are a tech expert and make real money or you are a vibe coding grunt who is paid as much as a desk clerk because you're hardly better than AI (Actually Indian).

And they don't invest in people like that after all, "There is always some one else" until the knowledge is lost. Companies stopped investing in their workers and began looking for the easy "stonk go up" solution.
 
And they don't invest in people like that after all, "There is always some one else" until the knowledge is lost. Companies stopped investing in their workers and began looking for the easy "stonk go up" solution.
one of the nastiest parts of our economy can be seen at micro scale in tradesmen. what is correct to do is to accept that training new blood into your trade means you are training your competition. you accept that you don't have a monopoly on your customers for the sake of the future of the trade. the issue is that this doesn't benefit you. by the time this matters, though, you'll be dead or near dead. it benefits your children to be sure they have tomorrow, but that would mean you cared about that in the first place and didn't just want someone to take care of you when you get old. you could also overcharge every customer to the gills and leave them no choice because you're the only game in town, and by the time you're too old to work you should be stacked... unless you spent it all on hookers and blow, and going by how many people with six-figure annual income are in crippling debt, it's pretty common.

this affects everything. programmers, real programmers? not just sweatshop copy-and-pasters. every real tech expert is the one the rest compete with, nationally and maybe even globally in some cases. Capitalism, unfortunately, presumes the people involved are moral and not destructive by nature.

every big chain store is the same, too. did you know that sales representative for the folks at Coca-Cola, Pepsi Co, etc, all make commission on how much product they can bring into any given store? did you know that 7-Eleven changed their tech/system last December and cut those reps out of a lot of money because they wanted to handle the orders themselves to make their bottom line go up, even though this is yet more pressure on their Store Leaders (General Managers) to effectively live in the fucking stores because they don't allot them enough hours to have more than one person on the first and second shifts? (source: i live in Ohio, and although i am an asst. manager for a different business, i know three Speedway managers and their current district manager in my area) if you live in Ohio, get to know a Speedway employee and ask them how they feel about RIS 2.0 (pronounced 'rizz') over Bluecube. the end result of 7-Eleven cutting sales and making these corporate moves to save money has led to a much worse experience for the employees and the customers, and they piss off their vendor partners and thus aren't stocking nearly as much as they originally did. it became the store manager's problem to also now order in all these other products and find time to stock them when the reps would come in and do everything themselves, a win-win.

it doesn't matter if the infrastructure or the employees beneath corporate-level can handle the responsibility. lessening that strain would be less money for them and that's not acceptable. and i'll never quite get my head around it. every boomer fuck i could ever talk to would just call me "envious", would call me lazy, ignorant, and good-for-nothing and insinuate i'm trying to get at rich people's money. no, i am not advocating for any kind of bullshit that "eats the rich" (and what we actually need to do is eliminate retarded taxes and significantly lower others) but i would just like more acknowledgment in the mainstream that anyone who is responsible for ensuring others can have any kind of livelihood should be smarter with their money for THEIR sake, and maybe also an acknowledgment that the stock market is utter bullshit. it doesn't matter how much good Trump may do politically when we're still serfs to c-suite jeets and every company constantly laying people off to appease fucking shareholders. none of this is acceptable, and i really don't care if it's someone else's money and they can "do whatever they want with it". in countless ways, this is where the abandonment of God has brought us.

the stock market is a great idea guys, it leads to investment and innovation and definitely isn't a casino that collapsed economies every couple decades. value doesn't come out of thin air, and yet the US stock market shows every sign of being at +40-200 percent overvalued depending on the sector and the methods used to evaluate. a lot of the top 1% is compensated in stock, which you can use to argue that a soaring stock market is the very reason wages are stagnant. if it crashed and burned it would mean jack shit for 2/3 of Americans.

anyway, this is something i read recently. i feel like it applies: Chesterton's Fence; "A core component of making great decisions is understanding previous decisions. If we don’t understand how we got “here,” we run the risk of making things much worse."
 
his affects everything. programmers, real programmers? not just sweatshop copy-and-pasters. every real tech expert is the one the rest compete with, nationally and maybe even globally in some cases. Capitalism, unfortunately, presumes the people involved are moral and not destructive by nature.

On my team, I was the only programmer/hardware guy. So, starting there, where no one was to teach me, but I am good at what I do, so I learnt. And, with a more blue-collar background, I know who to talk to; the rest of the team was terrific, and the manager was great. Now moving forward, we run into the problem that I am overloaded, so I ask if we can hire more. The manager agrees, but first, we are denied. However, we managed to pull some strings to get two student workers. A cheaper option, but that is fine. I train them, and then the time comes when one of them finishes their studies, and I want to hire them. I taught them, they know the system, and in the long run, with even more full-time experience, we could speed up our development even more. I get rejected both times because "not in the budget." Now, mind you, this is a massive multinational industrial giant.

It is what it is. We are doing great work, and my manager, after being jerked around by the leadership, quits, and my new manager is completely retarded. So I quit after getting fed up and overwhelmed; this was earlier this year.

So all my tasks first fell to the rest of the team, but they could not do my work because they did not know how, so they got a new hire. Did not have the skills needed to continue my work. The last thing I heard from an old colleague was that my new Manager is getting a ton of praise for their latest project, which uses an old prototype system I made that was never finished. I know why these systems will not work, but again, instead of hiring one of my students, they pushed me until I quit, and now they have to reinvent the wheel.

The issue is that people always focus only on simple numbers, not on the effects.
 
They're gonna be really fucked as the general devaluing of pieces of paper from institutions continues. A future I embrace with glee, for anything that imperils the eternal jeet is good in my books.
Unless thing are massively different in Burger and Leaf land I’m calling bullshit on that story.

Over here in Bongistan invigilation of university exams is taken extremely seriously. The invigilators actively investigate and keep on top of new methods of cheating.

Also, as soon as they started talking there would be one warning. Then they would be removed.

Academia might not know what a woman is, but it knows what cheating is and it treats it very seriously.
 
They're gonna be really fucked as the general devaluing of pieces of paper from institutions continues. A future I embrace with glee, for anything that imperils the eternal jeet is good in my books.

Unless thing are massively different in Burger and Leaf land I’m calling bullshit on that story.

Over here in Bongistan invigilation of university exams is taken extremely seriously. The invigilators actively investigate and keep on top of new methods of cheating.

Also, as soon as they started talking there would be one warning. Then they would be removed.

Academia might not know what a woman is, but it knows what cheating is and it treats it very seriously.
Here in Burgerland it was bad when I went to school and wasn’t getting any better. I had professors openly complain to me, a student, that the university won’t do anything about the rampant cheating from foreign students because they are paying full price while the majority of whites (This was STEM all of the US citizens were white) were paying the severely reduced in-state rates. The foreign students were funding all administrative bloat so to punish them would be to essentially ask to be fired.
 
There was massive cheating in Engineering school during the late 70s/early 80s as well. The fraternities would hoard old exams and copy them into the text/notes. The faculty didn't care because they were cynical and demoralized. Entry level professor salary was the same as or less than entry level bachelor salary. The University had no interest in teaching, only that the students demonstrate academic proficiency. They were also weeding out half the second semester juniors in order to keep the number of graduates low. All graduates finding jobs enhanced the standing of the University. In some ways the Engineering professional had it coming, but I sympathize with the suffering of people caught up in the clusterfuck.
 
Here in Burgerland it was bad when I went to school and wasn’t getting any better. I had professors openly complain to me, a student, that the university won’t do anything about the rampant cheating from foreign students because they are paying full price while the majority of whites (This was STEM all of the US citizens were white) were paying the severely reduced in-state rates. The foreign students were funding all administrative bloat so to punish them would be to essentially ask to be fired.
We have the problem here with foreign students but the universities are starting to realise letting in a bunch of people who can bare speak English and flunk out is causing reputational damage that is starting to hit them more economically than the short term gains of what they get for them in fees.
 
We have the problem here with foreign students but the universities are starting to realise letting in a bunch of people who can bare speak English and flunk out is causing reputational damage that is starting to hit them more economically than the short term gains of what they get for them in fees.
"starting", lol.

I'm not sure if they can ever repair the reputational AND institutional damage they're incurring. At least in the timeframe where they could still survive.
 
We have the problem here with foreign students but the universities are starting to realise letting in a bunch of people who can bare speak English and flunk out is causing reputational damage that is starting to hit them more economically than the short term gains of what they get for them in fees.
I can believe that. At least back when I was growing up, hearing about someone studying at Oxford or Cambridge (and getting pretty good grades) used to mean something.
 
Unless thing are massively different in Burger and Leaf land I’m calling bullshit on that story.
Over here in Bongistan invigilation of university exams is taken extremely seriously. The invigilators actively investigate and keep on top of new methods of cheating.
It's not bullshit, this is especially common at second tier universities. My alma mater has several stories about it in their course-based grad programs during Covid because the Jeets are almost always international students and thus paying the highest possible tuition. Even if it got egregious enough the profs had to pass them anyway because that tuition was still more desirable than being known for allowing cheating.

We have the problem here with foreign students but the universities are starting to realise letting in a bunch of people who can bare speak English and flunk out is causing reputational damage that is starting to hit them more economically than the short term gains of what they get for them in fees.
For top tier schools maybe, but in North America it will take professional boards refusing to accredit degrees from these schools to force them to clean up their acts. For a lot of them reputation doesn't matter when you still have kids in your lucrative degree programs or can pretend you're a "research school" and judge success on your annual publishing rate.
 
It was a matter of time, I suppose. Zoomers will start taking interviews less and less seriously, can't fault them for that.
I was half musing that there's probably gonna be a market for interview site services soon enough. Just get a cheap office space in a city, and anyone who want to hire a remote/relocate employee that needs a proper interview before being hired, book a slot with them at that office. candidate shows up, gets pat down and relieved of their devices, and sat at a known, secured computer in a private room for the interview. If you're really paranoid, have them do the interview in a room with a proctor, pay some poor bastard to just sit there and make sure they don't have anything cheeky going on. Maybe stick a few cameras in each corner of the room and stream them to the client so they've got a surround view, in case they're worried your guys took a bribe or whatever. Hell, faraday the rooms, you don't need perfect 99.99% EM blocking, you just need enough to make any cellular and wifi so slow as to be useless, which can be done for a few thousand. The intended hardware in the room can just be on ethernet, and you can even market that as a security feature to the ignorant.

Cheap to set up, very easy to scale up and down to local demand as long as you keep your leases short, and doesn't require special skills or training. Probably has space to expand as it goes beyond mere interviews to pretty much anything that's online certified, and it'll still be cheaper than clients having to fly people around. 'Undesireable' office space is often going for "Please I just need a tenant to meet the bank loan terms, I'll take anything" rates, especially after the overbuild leading into 2020, and all you really need to do is not hire jeets, otherwise staffing is pretty much by the warm body principle.
 
I was half musing that there's probably gonna be a market for interview site services soon enough.
They could just start with the same techniques already done for on-line proctored exams.
Webcam on, show the room, USB stick to boot your computer or screen sharing verified to be running on the hardware at a minimum.
Obviously Jeet's likely need more hands-on monitoring than that.

"Ok, point your webcam at the power outlet."

I've certainly interviewed a few candidates on Zoom in "Bay Area, California" where their Internet connection was straight out of 1999. Yea, you're in the heart of Silicon Valley and your video looks like a 56k modem? I don't think so.

If you're already a remote company it's common to have employees near candidates and you can just meet them at a coffee shop for a quick chat. Got to do that a couple times for places I've worked.
 
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