UN Betsy DeVos to end Title IX - And feminists are pissed

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http://fortune.com/2017/09/07/betsy-devos-title-ix-sexual-assault/ (http://archive.is/O3Ktm)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...8a4366-6b36-11e7-9c15-177740635e83_story.html (http://archive.is/x4MLL)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...debra-katz-hannah-alejandro-column/536000001/ (http://archive.is/wqj4v)

Betsy DeVos, the Secretary of Education, has announced plans to roll back the infamous Title IX regulations put in place by the Obama Administration. This news was not received well by feminists.

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SwanDive said:
College sexual assault campuses don't exactly rule rape (or other forms of sexual assault for that matter) "flippantly". If anything, they are fairly ineffective at handling the situation. And while that is in part due to Title IX, I don't see why that's justification for throwing the entire part regarding sexual assault out - rather it should be repaired.

The police are also far from being some bastion of justice in these situations either. And there are multiple reasons why a student may not want to go to the police. And again, just because the university is required to handle the situation, does not mean that the police are barred from conducting their own investigation.



And how do you know what the accuser thinks is rape wouldn't be brought up in a criminal court of law? Any defense lawyer worth his salt (therefore, not a public defender) would certainly call that into question.
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The mere suggestion that someone is a rapist can be enough to ruin them. As such I think all processes around it should be treated with utmost seriousness, and I just don't think that a college based kangaroo court fits the bill. Having these things dealt with in an actual court probably discourages false accusations, and though I understand that it is argued that the process will also discourage real accusations, I don't think it is appropriate to create more victims in an attempt to help others.
 
If Trump's government does just this one thing it will be worth it.

Rape/Sexual Assault is a serious crime and should only be dealt with by the actual criminal justice system and not some jumped up biased tribunal composed people hired to find sex crimes on campus.

Not allowing the accused to question his (its always a male) accuser, nor allow him any counsel, nor allow any rebuttal to charges is nothing more then outright railroading a verdict. Might as well skip the show and just castrate the accused right off because that's what will happen once social media gets going.
 
NotAKitty said:
Don't be silly, they know Star Wars as well.

0%. Ever heard of being innocent until proven guilty?
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It's "beyond a reasonable doubt" though. That doesn't mean any doubt at all, but it's significantly less than 100% certainty.
 
AnOminous said:
So okay. Your 12 year old daughter gets to share a room with a guy and there's only a mere 10% chance he's a rapist and murderer who rapes and murders every girl he's left alone with.

You okay with those odds?
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Why is a 12 year old at college? Besides, this only applies to cases where the college is (mis)handling the case.
 
SwanDive said:
Seems fair imo given how hard it is to prove sexual assault cases.
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Fuck off loser, if a sexual assault took place call the police and let real law enforcement enforce the law and prove you're guilty. People who trained to be educators are not qualified to examine evidence and determine guilt in an accusation of sexual assault.

I also doubt a sexual assault took place if the only punishment the victim is seeking is expulsion from school and not locking up the person who sexually assaulted them in jail.
 
SwanDive said:
AFAIK, most universities have campus police. It's not like the people who are handling these cases have no fucking clue what they're doing.
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I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you've never had to deal with campus police in any meaningful way. They are a fucking joke and if anything prevent students from wanting to report crimes.
 
Shugo said:
Fuck off loser, if a sexual assault took place call the police and let real law enforcement enforce the law and prove you're guilty. People who trained to be educators are not qualified to examine evidence and determine guilt in an accusation of sexual assault.
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So if they let a serial rapist just roam around while incompetent cops failed to do anything, you'd just tell the rape victims to be okay with it?

Seriously, they have some obligation to run a safe campus, especially when they're acting in loco parentis to students who are, in many cases, legally still children.

This doesn't mean you let psychotic freaks like Mattress Girl harass some innocent guy, but it doesn't mean you just completely disregard any obligation to run a safe campus when you're literally being paid to do that.
 
AnOminous said:
So if they let a serial rapist just roam around while incompetent cops failed to do anything
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Why would a serial rapist roam free? It sounds like there are multiple victims who can testify against him in a court of law.

If he goes to court and isn't found guilty of rape, despite being accused of being a "serial rapist" and having multiple women testify against him, he shouldn't have some pseudo-Double Jeopardy and another Campus-Trial with laughable standards to ban him from the school he paid for. Innocent until proven guilty.

I'm not saying let campus police do anything, I'm saying to call the real police.

Mattress Girl refused to go to police interviews because she knew her story was bullshit. Anyone who refuses a real police investigation of an alleged sexual assault doesn't sound very serious about their experience. She also then failed to uphold the confidentiality requirements of the school Tribunal and told everyone who she was accusing of raping her (probably because she knew she didn't even have enough evidence even for the tribunal, including her own damning stalkerish text messages), and the tribunal didn't care. There are no rules for these mock trials, they are a witch hunt.
 
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AnOminous said:
Are you really okay with your daughter in a room with a guy who might just 10% be a rapist?

I mean seriously, how much of a cuck are you? (I guess I'm totally okay with my daughter being raped 1 out of 10 nights.)
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That's a fucky way of looking at things. As the article I linked said, you can apply it to anything.

Are you okay with walking somewhere when there's a 10% chance you could be mugged? Or maybe even hit by a car? Or the 10% chance that your neighbour will get fucked up and murder you with an axe.

You're assuming guilt before there's even proof of it because of who that (fictional) guy is. I understand wanting to be safe but there's absolutely no way you don't have a risk of something in living. No one deserves to walk on egg shells just because you're assuming every man your daughter stays around is a rapist. That's your problem and no one else's life deserves to be torn apart just because your precious little girl regretted having sex and cried rape.
 
>Ends only the harmful parts of Title IX
>Feminists think freedom of women is coming to an end
>Said feminists exclaim, "I'd rather have Sharia Law than Western emancipation of women"
 
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