UN Betsy DeVos to end Title IX - And feminists are pissed

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http://fortune.com/2017/09/07/betsy-devos-title-ix-sexual-assault/ (http://archive.is/O3Ktm)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...8a4366-6b36-11e7-9c15-177740635e83_story.html (http://archive.is/x4MLL)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...debra-katz-hannah-alejandro-column/536000001/ (http://archive.is/wqj4v)

Betsy DeVos, the Secretary of Education, has announced plans to roll back the infamous Title IX regulations put in place by the Obama Administration. This news was not received well by feminists.

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thismanlies said:
http://fortune.com/2017/09/07/betsy-devos-title-ix-sexual-assault/ (http://archive.is/O3Ktm)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...8a4366-6b36-11e7-9c15-177740635e83_story.html (http://archive.is/x4MLL)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...debra-katz-hannah-alejandro-column/536000001/ (http://archive.is/wqj4v)

Betsy DeVos, the Secretary of Education, has announced plans to roll back the infamous Title IX regulations put in place by the Obama Administration. This news was not received well by feminists.

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You mean the Title IX regulations that were basically "LISTEN AND BELIEVE" made into law and caused many false rape accusations, teachers getting hit with Title IX because they would say something a sjw in class didn't like, infamous incidents like Mattress Girl, a guy getting accused of sexual assault by the college itself when both he and his gf claim it wasn't, and recently one guy getting accused and committing suicide over it?

Good.

Also "education pirate" sounds like a kick ass title. I don't get how that's insulting or trolling.
 
1. She's not ending Title IX, just one part of it

2. None of her reasonings for doing so make sense
  1. Because the guidelines don't require that those accused of sexual assault be proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, they lack due process, as required by U.S. law. "The accused must know that guilt is not predetermined," DeVos said.
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Just because universities don't operate on the typical "beyond a reasonable doubt" doesn't mean that the accused is automatically presumed guilty. At least at the college I attend, the policy is "Preponderance of Evidence", which means that you just need there's a 50% chance that a crime was committed. Seems fair imo given how hard it is to prove sexual assault cases.

  1. School administrators, who often play the roles of juries and judges when it comes to determining whether sexual assault took place, are ill-equipped to do so: "There's a competency gap here."
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How is there a competency gap?

  1. Schools are spending more time on data collection for sexual cases than on creating policies to stop them. "The Office for Civil Rights [a sub-branch of the DOE that enforces Title IX regulations] has terrified schools," she said, suggesting that as a result, schools are "overreaching."
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[citation needed]
 
SwanDive said:
Just because universities don't operate on the typical "beyond a reasonable doubt" doesn't mean that the accused is automatically presumed guilty. At least at the college I attend, the policy is "Preponderance of Evidence", which means that you just need there's a 50% chance that a crime was committed. Seems fair imo given how hard it is to prove sexual assault cases.
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I'm not sure it's a good idea to kick someone out of college (and ruin their chances of ever going to another one) if there's a 49% chance they're innocent.
 
King n Yellow said:
You mean the Title IX regulations that were basically "LISTEN AND BELIEVE" made into law and caused many false rape accusations, teachers getting hit with Title IX because they would say something a sjw in class didn't like, infamous incidents like Mattress Girl, a guy getting accused of sexual assault by the college itself when both he and his gf claim it wasn't, and recently one guy getting accused and committing suicide over it?

Good.

Also "education pirate" sounds like a kick ass title. I don't get how that's insulting or trolling.
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You forgot Legal Professors refusing to teach Rape Law because of how triggering it is. Iirc, there was an incidence earlier this years where a professor was thrown out...because he taught it like it needed to be taught.
SwanDive said:
1. She's not ending Title IX, just one part of it

2. None of her reasonings for doing so make sense

Just because universities don't operate on the typical "beyond a reasonable doubt" doesn't mean that the accused is automatically presumed guilty.
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Oh look. You are being intentionally stupid. You damned well know how this shit has been applied, and you don't care.

This is what a shill looks like everyone.
 
Jon-Kacho said:
I'm not sure it's a good idea to kick someone out of college (and ruin their chances of ever going to another one) if there's a 49% chance they're innocent.
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I don't think it's a good idea to have someone who has a >50% chance of being guilty of sexual assault kept on campus.

What would be the ideal probability for you?
 
SwanDive said:
I don't think it's a good idea to have someone who has a >50% chance of being guilty of sexual assault kept on campus.

What would be the ideal probability for you?
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How's about letting the policing of campus assaults be done by the actual fucking police. You know, the people who are actually trained to respond to and gather evidence of a crime and can present said evidence to a prosecutor who can actually do something.
 
SwanDive said:
I don't think it's a good idea to have someone who has a >50% chance of being guilty of sexual assault kept on campus.

What would be the ideal probability for you?
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It would be funny if someone doxed you and called in a tip to the police about the drugs you totally haven't been running out of your house since you don't believe in due process.
 
GabeRegan said:
How's about letting the policing of campus assaults be done by the actual fucking police. You know, the people who are actually trained to respond to and gather evidence of a crime and can present said evidence to a prosecutor who can actually do something.
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AFAIK, most universities have campus police. It's not like the people who are handling these cases have no fucking clue what they're doing.

And sexual assault cases can still be reported to the police. There's nothing that says the plaintiff must report to the school administration.
 
entropyseekswork said:
It would be funny if someone doxed you and called in a tip to the police about the drugs you totally haven't been running out of your house since you don't believe in due process.
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1. Calling in an anonymous tip doesn't violate due process

2. Preponderance of evidence doesn't violate due process
 
SwanDive said:
1. Calling in an anonymous tip doesn't violate due process

2. Preponderance of evidence doesn't violate due process
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Considering how flippantly colleges grant rape rulings which should merit the standard of a criminal proceeding but don't bc it's expensive and time consuming for the schools to investigate, I don't believe students accused of this very serious crime get the due process they would had it been reported to police and handled in criminal court, and it comes at a great expense to those accused.

Having had sex at all isn't evidence enough to confirm rape. Having had sex and regretting it isn't rape. Perhaps the courses the accuser is taking and their content in defining rape should be taken into consideration with what is the legal definition.
 
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entropyseekswork said:
Considering how flippantly colleges grant rape rulings which should merit the standard of a criminal proceeding but don't bc it's expensive and time consuming, I don't believe students accused of this very serious crime get the due process they would had it been reported to police and handled in criminal court, and it comes at a great expense to those accused.
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College sexual assault campuses don't exactly rule rape (or other forms of sexual assault for that matter) "flippantly". If anything, they are fairly ineffective at handling the situation. And while that is in part due to Title IX, I don't see why that's justification for throwing the entire part regarding sexual assault out - rather it should be repaired.

The police are also far from being some bastion of justice in these situations either. And there are multiple reasons why a student may not want to go to the police. And again, just because the university is required to handle the situation, does not mean that the police are barred from conducting their own investigation.

entropyseekswork said:
Perhaps the courses the accuser is taking and their content in defining rape should be taken into consideration with what is the legal definition.
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And how do you know what the accuser thinks is rape wouldn't be brought up in a criminal court of law? Any defense lawyer worth his salt (therefore, not a public defender) would certainly call that into question.
 
SwanDive said:
AFAIK, most universities have campus police. It's not like the people who are handling these cases have no fucking clue what they're doing.

And sexual assault cases can still be reported to the police. There's nothing that says the plaintiff must report to the school administration.
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You are fucking retarded.

First of all, stop double posting, edit your posts if you have more dumb shit to say. Secondly, seriously, you are totally fucking retarded. 'they can go to the police if they want to!' are you for real? They go to the administration because they use a preponderance of the evidence, they don't go to the police because 90% of these cases turn out to be 'we both got drunk and in the morning I sobered up'. Not to mention that if they went to the police the accused would actually get a chance to defend themselves, unlike on campus where the accused don't get to provide evidence, face their accuser or talk to counsel before being thrown out of college and branded a rapist. How many lawsuits need to be brought against colleges before idiots like you comprehend that this shit is utterly fucked?
 
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