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Bad news for coders: The US is past peak software developer​

  • Employment for software developers has dipped from pre-pandemic levels.
  • Landing high-paying tech jobs could take longer.
  • Glassdoor's Daniel Zhao said it could be tough "finding a job that pays as well" for experienced developers.
You're not going to be able to write a few lines of code to solve this problem.

A new ADP Research Institute report shows employment for software developers has declined from January 2018. Data elsewhere show fewer opportunities for people to fill software development and tech roles after the US labor market is no longer as hot as it was a few years ago.
"The tech job market has undeniably slowed since the end of 2022, cooling after a few years of rapid hiring during the pandemic recovery," Daniel Zhao, Glassdoor's lead economist, said in a written statement. "Rising interest rates, the end of pandemic-era trends and a slowing economy overall has crimped demand for tech workers."

"That being said, employment in the tech sector has fallen less than 2% since its peak in December 2022 and is still 21% higher than March 2020," Zhao said.

Nela Richardson, ADP's chief economist, told Business Insider that the software developer isn't "an out-of-date occupation," but it could take longer to land work given it has "become a very efficient occupation" where fewer workers are likely needed.

"You may not, as a young tech worker in this industry, get recruited straight away out of university or learn straight away from your first job, or that there may have to be a little bit more grinding, a little bit more of a normal labor market in terms of new hires," she said.


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The change in software developer employment could partly be attributed to changes in consumer spending during the pandemic. "There was a slowdown in software developer hires in 2020, and then we had a couple bounce backs, and I think that's reflective of how the pandemic really spurred this increase into digital service offerings," Richardson said.

Job-search platform Indeed has its own running index of job postings for the software development sector. Nick Bunker, economic research director for North America at the Indeed Hiring Lab, told BI, "it's unlikely we'll see levels of demand like we saw in '21, in '22 for software development anytime soon."

Still, Bunker said demand for these jobs is healthy, and these are still well-paying gigs. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the median annual wage for software developers was $132,270.

"The depressed state of postings for software development jobs could be a possibly cyclical story or short-term story," Bunker said. "Maybe this is just interest rates are still very high, and a lot of employers are looking to be very cautious when it comes to hiring because a lot of those firms overhired in '21, and maybe they're just being very patient now."

Challenges for experienced workers seeking a better-paying gig and for new graduates

Zhao also noted "weak" sentiment in the tech sector and noted this could be because "waves of new graduates have been racing to enter the tech industry over the last decade as tech employers have offered high pay for newly minted software developers."
Zhao said, "even for experienced software developers at the top of the market, the issue may not be difficulty finding a job at all, but rather difficulty finding a job that pays as well as their previous one. Swallowing a pay cut is a tough ask for software developers who were earning top dollar just a few years ago."

Data from Handshake, a platform where students can look for work, suggests a cooler demand for software developers or engineers.
"There was a 29% decline in software developer/engineer jobs created" on the Handshake network when comparing the period between June 2023 and May 2024 to the year before, Randy Tarnowski, senior manager of research and education insights at Handshake, said in a statement.
Tarnowski said that software engineering roles "received a large share of 2024 computer science graduates' applications," but the share of applications has fallen by a few percentage points from the class of 2023.

"Instead of software engineering roles, the class of 2024 computer science grads are submitting more of their applications to other roles, including data science and analysts, computer hardware, information security, computer systems engineering, and financial and investment analysts roles," Tarnowski said.

For people making job decisions amid the strong but cooler job market, Bunker suggested thinking about long-term prospects instead of simply how demand is looking at the moment.

That is, a sector might not be "as flashy" or offer as great of compensation as it had been. However, Bunker added some of the "shine might have come off some of these jobs, but they're still well paying and have a good long-term outlook."

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On the other hand, if you can be replaced by indians are you and actual coder?

It’s never about how skilled you are, it boils down to “Bob’s salary is 237,000 dollars a year, but Raneesh will do the same work for 30,000 and carte-blanche to sniff his female coworker’s hair. Doesn’t matter if the code is spaghetti and we’ll have to issue patches in a year, we can save money NOW!”.
 
It’s never about how skilled you are, it boils down to “Bob’s salary is 237,000 dollars a year, but Raneesh will do the same work for 30,000 and carte-blanche to sniff his female coworker’s hair. Doesn’t matter if the code is spaghetti and we’ll have to issue patches in a year, we can save money NOW!”.
They try that.

Then the code does not work, AT ALL, and then you gotta hire Bob back at consultant prices instead of salary. For the past 15 years my task on various projects is fixing code from pajeet coders and I've never been without work.

Right now my whole job is to figure out HOW to do stuff so the pajeets have a template to try to brute force stuff and even then I have to yell at them at multiple times on how to do it.
 
On the other hand, if you can be replaced by indians are you and actual coder?
The problem isn't so much that they replace Mike the Coder with Rajesh the Coder But Indian. The problem is that they replace Mike the Coder with Ranjeet the Fucking Retard and then let Zhang spend 80 hours a week putting out fires from his 5 square meter apartment in Shenzhen.

It's cheaper to hire a midwit and a moron than one competent person. Yes, the end result is a piece of crap that barely works, but the end user expects everything to need constant patches and hotfixes, forever. Nothing ever leaves beta any more and people have been trained to think that's okay.
 
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