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Source: https://www.businessinsider.com/tec...seekers-high-paying-work-opportunities-2024-6
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Bad news for coders: The US is past peak software developer​

  • Employment for software developers has dipped from pre-pandemic levels.
  • Landing high-paying tech jobs could take longer.
  • Glassdoor's Daniel Zhao said it could be tough "finding a job that pays as well" for experienced developers.
You're not going to be able to write a few lines of code to solve this problem.

A new ADP Research Institute report shows employment for software developers has declined from January 2018. Data elsewhere show fewer opportunities for people to fill software development and tech roles after the US labor market is no longer as hot as it was a few years ago.
"The tech job market has undeniably slowed since the end of 2022, cooling after a few years of rapid hiring during the pandemic recovery," Daniel Zhao, Glassdoor's lead economist, said in a written statement. "Rising interest rates, the end of pandemic-era trends and a slowing economy overall has crimped demand for tech workers."

"That being said, employment in the tech sector has fallen less than 2% since its peak in December 2022 and is still 21% higher than March 2020," Zhao said.

Nela Richardson, ADP's chief economist, told Business Insider that the software developer isn't "an out-of-date occupation," but it could take longer to land work given it has "become a very efficient occupation" where fewer workers are likely needed.

"You may not, as a young tech worker in this industry, get recruited straight away out of university or learn straight away from your first job, or that there may have to be a little bit more grinding, a little bit more of a normal labor market in terms of new hires," she said.


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The change in software developer employment could partly be attributed to changes in consumer spending during the pandemic. "There was a slowdown in software developer hires in 2020, and then we had a couple bounce backs, and I think that's reflective of how the pandemic really spurred this increase into digital service offerings," Richardson said.

Job-search platform Indeed has its own running index of job postings for the software development sector. Nick Bunker, economic research director for North America at the Indeed Hiring Lab, told BI, "it's unlikely we'll see levels of demand like we saw in '21, in '22 for software development anytime soon."

Still, Bunker said demand for these jobs is healthy, and these are still well-paying gigs. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the median annual wage for software developers was $132,270.

"The depressed state of postings for software development jobs could be a possibly cyclical story or short-term story," Bunker said. "Maybe this is just interest rates are still very high, and a lot of employers are looking to be very cautious when it comes to hiring because a lot of those firms overhired in '21, and maybe they're just being very patient now."

Challenges for experienced workers seeking a better-paying gig and for new graduates

Zhao also noted "weak" sentiment in the tech sector and noted this could be because "waves of new graduates have been racing to enter the tech industry over the last decade as tech employers have offered high pay for newly minted software developers."
Zhao said, "even for experienced software developers at the top of the market, the issue may not be difficulty finding a job at all, but rather difficulty finding a job that pays as well as their previous one. Swallowing a pay cut is a tough ask for software developers who were earning top dollar just a few years ago."

Data from Handshake, a platform where students can look for work, suggests a cooler demand for software developers or engineers.
"There was a 29% decline in software developer/engineer jobs created" on the Handshake network when comparing the period between June 2023 and May 2024 to the year before, Randy Tarnowski, senior manager of research and education insights at Handshake, said in a statement.
Tarnowski said that software engineering roles "received a large share of 2024 computer science graduates' applications," but the share of applications has fallen by a few percentage points from the class of 2023.

"Instead of software engineering roles, the class of 2024 computer science grads are submitting more of their applications to other roles, including data science and analysts, computer hardware, information security, computer systems engineering, and financial and investment analysts roles," Tarnowski said.

For people making job decisions amid the strong but cooler job market, Bunker suggested thinking about long-term prospects instead of simply how demand is looking at the moment.

That is, a sector might not be "as flashy" or offer as great of compensation as it had been. However, Bunker added some of the "shine might have come off some of these jobs, but they're still well paying and have a good long-term outlook."

Have you made a career change from or to software development or another tech job? Reach out to this reporter to share at mhoff@businessinsider.com.
 
Why does it seem like every industry is contracting at once? It is almost like there is some kind of recession but that is impossible because the Biden Regime said the economy is strong as hell!

Anyway, learn to dig coal I guess.
 
>ctrl+F "India"
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Leaving out the biggest and most obvious reason coders state-side are having a hard time finding gainful employment.
 
The bubbles are starting to pop, let's see who falls into poverty and who falls down a skyscraper
 
Why does it seem like every industry is contracting at once? It is almost like there is some kind of recession but that is impossible because the Biden Regime said the economy is strong as hell!

Anyway, learn to dig coal I guess.
This has more to do with how things work now rather than the economy. Everything nowadays is like video games: modules plugged into a base engine. Shit, even machine virtualization is just a bunch of containers spun up in something like proxmox or docker. It doesn't take 10 people anymore because a lot of normal work is just making sure code modules work together nicely. I don't think there's that many jobs that are coded from scratch anymore.
 
Not sure who this is meant to propagandize or if these people are just retarded, but when it comes to STEM degrees like a computer science BA, there are more high-paying jobs than just "software developer," which makes up, at most, 30% of the field. Like at the lowest technical level you can pretty easily make +$30/hr in tech support, or at higher levels you can make $200k/yr as an IT architect. Computer science isn't just "coding", more so, you don't have to be a software developer to primarily do software development work.

I'm not saying the job market isn't an absolute shit show, but in no world are you better off getting an English degree than you are a computer science degree lol.
 
The India stuff is not going to last forever, though. DEI shit made it hard to oppose because all the things you could say against it started to sound racist to DEI, but everyone knows the Indian coders are causing real problems with code bases everywhere. I think this is something that will be corrected in about 5-10 years.

I also think that if any "development" jobs are actually in danger of being replaced with AI, the pajeets will be first on the chopping block. A lot of them are not offering much value that goes beyond what garbage AI does. Oh it makes up fake libraries that don't really exist? I see, that sounds totally worse than what we're getting from India.
 
This has more to do with how things work now rather than the economy. Everything nowadays is like video games: modules plugged into a base engine. Shit, even machine virtualization is just a bunch of containers spun up in something like proxmox or docker. It doesn't take 10 people anymore because a lot of normal work is just making sure code modules work together nicely. I don't think there's that many jobs that are coded from scratch anymore.
100%. It was always on a track to match system administration as a job primarily responsible for tweaking knobs between different tools. There's been a proliferation of "architect" roles among big tech firms in the last year that makes me think they're recognizing the lack of need for simple "developers" as well.

The India stuff is not going to last forever, though. DEI shit made it hard to oppose because all the things you could say against it started to sound racist to DEI, but everyone knows the Indian coders are causing real problems with code bases everywhere. I think this is something that will be corrected in about 5-10 years.

I also think that if any "development" jobs are actually in danger of being replaced with AI, the pajeets will be first on the chopping block. A lot of them are not offering much value that goes beyond what garbage AI does. Oh it makes up fake libraries that don't really exist? I see, that sounds totally worse than what we're getting from India.
If they survived the 2023 credit crunch Indians are going to be a mainstay of big tech engineering until a populist candidate forces H1-B reform. They aren't going anywhere, the externalities of pajeet code aren't enforced on the bureaucrats responsible for their proliferation, nor do they substantially impact quarterly returns for the stock market.
 
Would you look at that, yet another "one weird trick that you MUST do to get ahead in the cutthroat world of Current Year!" bites the dust.

If you are older than 35 you should remember at least a couple of the other "school courses GUARANTEED to get you a successful job that will last forever even though we NAFTAed those boomer factory jobs and spent the 90s normalizing sociopathic shit like downsizing and killed the pensions on everything else!"
 
Most Code Monkeys are going to go the way of the dodo.

Code cleaners/supervisors will become the norm, whether it is sweeping it up for Ranjeets or for AI 'coders.'
 
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