Bad Manga Thread - Here we autopsy bad alien comics like a (more) weeb-ish Area 51

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From The Uncanny Valley said:
Kodomo no Kodomo.

I dont want to give a sypnosis, it's too fuckrd up
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Kari Kamiya said:
I get what the mangaka intended in bringing to attention an uncomfortable reality, but yeah, it's still no less uncomfortable. He must've known someone that had that happen to them.
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That brings an interesting question: Is a work bad because it is badly made or is it bad because it asks us to confront uncomfortable realities?
 
From The Uncanny Valley said:
but the whole thing is played up like some uplifting coming of age story. its fucked.
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Yeah, I can see why that would be uncomfortable. Perhaps the author was trying to make a story about overcoming adversity and botched it? Being uplifting even when things look dire is a good thing but it is not always easy to thread the balance between supporting the girl in this trying time vs not encouraging child pregnacy. Not everyone can do it right but I struggle to believe that the author was encouraging kids to get pregnant. Maybe he just failed to tackle a delicate subject. I do not presume malice, just incompetense.
 
Juujika no Rokunin and Pumpkin Night are pretty bad imo. I enjoyed the former even though it was very bullshit; it was trash but it was fun. I dropped it when the MC fucked this girl that had basically just been raped by one of his bullies. In and of itself, that would've been fine. But what bothered me specifically is the fact that there already was a girl who was interested in the MC. I'm a huge romancefag, so that bothered me enough to make me drop it.
Pumpkin Night started out pretty fun and good, and I think it kinda had some element of mystery as well. But at some point it became full of bullshit, especially when they got to that mental hospital or whatever. Haven't bothered reading it since some ESL decided to pick it up.
 
Remembering @Mnutu's post(s) about Me~teru no Kimochi, I finally went ahead to read it.

Jesus Christ wat. Apparently it was supposed to sate readers until Gantz returned to serialization, so I guess Oku decided to go balls-to-the-wall shitpost with it. Though I guess it's a form of Japanese humor that's lost on me.
 
rapecel said:
Juujika no Rokunin and Pumpkin Night are pretty bad imo. I enjoyed the former even though it was very bullshit; it was trash but it was fun. I dropped it when the MC fucked this girl that had basically just been raped by one of his bullies. In and of itself, that would've been fine. But what bothered me specifically is the fact that there already was a girl who was interested in the MC. I'm a huge romancefag, so that bothered me enough to make me drop it.
Pumpkin Night started out pretty fun and good, and I think it kinda had some element of mystery as well. But at some point it became full of bullshit, especially when they got to that mental hospital or whatever. Haven't bothered reading it since some ESL decided to pick it up.
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I have this belief if you do not mind me sharing: It is inherently harder to sustain a dark, long-running series. Whether it is a quest for revenge that never seems to end, a tale set in a crapsack world were little kids are raped daily before and after decapitation, work build upon cynicism in order to call out a successful author by an infinitely worse one or whatever.

Take a look at ASOIAF: Martin probably has ideas about how to make his ending make sense (especially since Dumb and Dumber fucked things to start working on SW only to get told to fuck off) but he might just not want to re-enter his own depressing world that is worse the reality. He tried to call out Tolkien but while Tolkien's legacy will live one, Martin's will be his quote about Aragorn's tax plan (albeit far more mockingly).

Look at "The Boys" as well: Cynical to the max, everything sucks and it was made by a sick fuck who does not believe there is ANY kindness in the world. It was made to deny the existence of Superheroes because the author does not believe in good. Because he is not good either. Because that is the only kind of person that could write such a story long term. It will not be good after the initial shock but that does not matter to them as they made money.

Human emotional stamina is drained with negative emotions and the positive emotions recover it. The more negative emotions a story produces, the faster you get tired writing/reading it. The author will put off writing it and the audience will put of reading it.

All in all, I have noticed that dark manga also fall on the same pitfalls dark western entertainment falls into. Negativity portrayed as normal. Pessimism passed on as realism. Subversiveness portrayed as inherently intelligent and enlightened.
 
Quiet Guy said:
Counterpoint: Konosuba and So I'm a Spider, so What?
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Isekai is just a genre. It has good stuff and bad stuff. My problem is that few isekai stories benefit from the isekai aspect and many of them could have just been normal fantasy stories with a few tweaks here and there. I get that they are escapist fantasy but it gets boring to watch it after a while. They need to play with the formula more and more often.
 
Incecticyder said:
It is inherently harder to sustain a dark, long-running series.
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That's true. But neither Juujika no Rokunin nor Pumpkin Night take themselves that seriously. The issue with the former is that it's purely a revenge series. Revenge can make for a good story, but is generally better to be part of a bigger story. HxH does the revenge stuff really well with Kurapika. His primary goals are retrieving the eyes of his brethren and killing the phantom troupe. But to get there, he often has to do other things. I think the same thing is true for romance. I like romance as a genre, but I think romance as part of a larger series is so much more enjoyable because of a bigger cast. In romance manga, you'd barely even see the friends of the protagonists, and conflict would usually come in the form of a love-triangle (which imo is an annoying trope and I just drop the series if it's employed). 2 people in love with one another also interact with other people, and those interactions can influence the relationship, tell more about it etc.
As for Pumpkin Night, I think the author just didn't really know what to do. I think he should've done a-western-slasher-but-as-manga.
Incecticyder said:
Cynical to the max, everything sucks and it was made by a sick fuck who does not believe there is ANY kindness in the world. It was made to deny the existence of Superheroes because the author does not believe in good. Because he is not good either.
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Yeah, those kinds of stories suck. If I wanted to look at how dark and bad the world is, I'd watch a documentary on some atrocity or whatever.
 
rapecel said:
That's true. But neither Juujika no Rokunin nor Pumpkin Night take themselves that seriously. The issue with the former is that it's purely a revenge series. Revenge can make for a good story, but is generally better to be part of a bigger story. HxH does the revenge stuff really well with Kurapika. His primary goals are retrieving the eyes of his brethren and killing the phantom troupe. But to get there, he often has to do other things. I think the same thing is true for romance. I like romance as a genre, but I think romance as part of a larger series is so much more enjoyable because of a bigger cast. In romance manga, you'd barely even see the friends of the protagonists, and conflict would usually come in the form of a love-triangle (which imo is an annoying trope and I just drop the series if it's employed). 2 people in love with one another also interact with other people, and those interactions can influence the relationship, tell more about it etc.
As for Pumpkin Night, I think the author just didn't really know what to do. I think he should've done a-western-slasher-but-as-manga.
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Hatred is exhausting to maintain long term. A good revenge story has more things going on. Take this one for example:

The sage was reincarnated in the body of a bullied teenager who sacrificed himself to be possessed by a demon who would get revenge for him. The sage, who was poisoned because is he was not willing to become a traitor to humanity to help the monsters (human demon hybrids that eat souls) conquer us, is a kind man who inherited the memories of the kid and decided to avenge him as well. However, while the revenge aspect is important for the beginning, it is stated to not be the end goal. The monsters need to be defeated, their conspirators exposed and the corruption in the country must be eliminated. Revenge is a priority partly because it is practical: The school bullies, angry that they cannot bully him anymore, decide to summon demons (at the cost of their lives because DUH, human sacrifice is needed) and have them do it. This gives him reason to kill them. He kills the father of the kid because he was abusive, corrupt and working with the monsters and their lackeys. He kills his former allies both out of revenge for poisoning him and for their other crimes such as working with monsters (and other stuff too).

BIG SPOILERS NOW!Right now, he decided to leave the last person related to his death alive. He needs someone to cover up what happened: The sage just killed a monster general and that is going to attract attention and will alert the other monsters and their lackeys. However, the ball that this happened was the last poisoner's idea to have the monster general attend it, meaning HE WILL BE THE ONE TO GET THE BLAME FOR THE DEATH! Add to the fact that the sage discovered a way to kill monsters (which were thought to be unkillable due to a shield that always protects them) and that had made the monsters fear him to the point they erased him from their history so as to not give the humans hope. The sage was in disguise when he did that, so they did not know it was him that was going around killing them. It did give the monsters as a species a fear of masks and this was a masked ball so there is that. And now, the final traitor knows that he has to cover up what happened in order to extend his life (the sage WILL kill him eventually as he promised him) and that will allow the sage to keep catching the monsters and their allies off guard. The poisoner is between a rock and a hard place: Either he lies to the monsters which will guarantee their defeat and death as the way to kill them will be taught to the sage's allies OR he admits his screw up and gets eaten. Add to the fact that the sage can reincarnate again and again and you can tell that the bad guys are screwed and they know it.

I like this one because the MC does want revenge but also wants a life to live and do good. He wants to get rid of other people other than those who wronged him because they are corrupt and wronged someone else. He is a kind man with a revenge quest who still remains a hero and does not lose his way in pursuit of justice.

rapecel said:
Yeah, those kinds of stories suck. If I wanted to look at how dark and bad the world is, I'd watch a documentary on some atrocity or whatever.
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Those people look at all the bad stuff and never the good. It is Chapter Black all over again.
 
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