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Have you got a manga with an interesting premise, a rare twist on an established trope, an appealing art style only to see it fail to live up to its potential and see it be canceled before anything truly interesting happens?
Have you read a manga that was canceled by Chapter 25 (or whatever) and that made you say "I could have taken that premise and made it better with some editing"?
Have you read a manga that had no redeming qualities and were surprised by the fact someone approved it/refused to edit it into something better?
Have you read a manga that sucked and went to rage only to find out it was ruined by editors and the original draft was so much better?
Well this is the thread in which you can post/discuss/learn/dissect those manga and MAYBE we can learn something from their failures.
RULES:
1. NO POPULAR SERIES.
Any series that is popular or successful and thus has a lot of fans is not for this thread. One Piece, Naruto, Bleach, Fairy Tail, AOT, SAO, MHA, JJK, Dragon Ball, YYH, HxH, FMA and other popular manga not mentioned here are disqualified from this discussion unless we are talking about how much better they are than the bad manga. Such series have large fanbases that will defend them and derail discussions, enough money to make counterarguements, enough substance to dedicate an entire thread on by themselves and are, by default, higher quality than the true slop. Bad source material with good adaptations and bad adaptations with good source material are allowed as long as you provide explanation as to what makes one bad and the other good.
2. YOU ARE ALLOWED TO DISAGREE WITH ONE ANOTHER.
What repulses one, entices another. Agree to disagree. Your mileage may vary. Opinions (including yours) are not perfect. None of these manga are worth a flame war. Accept that what one calls shit, the other might call mediocre. No need to chimp out.
3. GIVE ADVICE.
If you can say what they did wrong, provide advice as to how it could have been done better. Bear in mind that your critisism will also be crticised. Your criticism cannot be just "this manga sucks!".
4. PROVIDE LINKS.
Give sauce, not viruses.
5. NSFW.
Porn is meant to be consumed while horny with blood flowing away from the brain and thus we cannot judge it by the same standards. You are not supposed to think straight and analyse it. Porn with plot is not allowed for that reason. Plot with porn is fair game (ecchi, smut, erotica) though (as the plot part is important there). Niche/hardcore porn genres are NOT allowed as they are made to have small but dedicated audiences by design and thus they were never meant to be popular beyond a certain point.
Let me start with 3 manga that caught my attention as deserving of discussion on a thread like this:
1) The story of the Banisher side. (A manga in which we follow the least likable people in the "New" "Exile" trope.)
Here is me explaining the story in a bit more detail for those interested:
What could we have done to improve this? Make the protagonists sympathetic. Treat their friend like a friend and consider his feeling before taking a decision that will alter everyone 's fate. And have them be introspective. See how they can change themselves first before they kick anyone out.
2) Position Distopiary - Gesellschaft Blume. (A world so bleak and devoid of hope that you could DESTROY THE PLANET AND PEOPLE 'S LIVING CONDITIONS WOULD IMPROVE! I am not even joking.)
How to fix this? Go to the pharmacy, buy EXTRA-strength anti-depressants and make a less grimderp/bleak story that will not be mocked for its edgyness nor will cause its readers to start cutting themselves. Whoever wrote this should see a psychiatrist ASAP!
3) Ayashimon. (From the creator of Hell 's Paradise comes a disappointing Yakuza Tale.)
Is this even fixable? Yes. Ditch the controversial Yakuza theme, replace it with fantasy, have the male lead be a knight/warrior/paladin/berserker or whatever, give him a brain, have the female lead be a demon princess or something that wants her throne back, have them build an army by conquering nearby warlords and you are golden! Just reskin everything and the story can remain the same. Plus give the male lead an actual personality.
There you go! This were some of the examples of how this should go. All of them failed for different reasons so there is some real divesity here. Feel free to ask any questions regarding the rules. Also, tell me if you have any other problem with this OP.
Have you read a manga that was canceled by Chapter 25 (or whatever) and that made you say "I could have taken that premise and made it better with some editing"?
Have you read a manga that had no redeming qualities and were surprised by the fact someone approved it/refused to edit it into something better?
Have you read a manga that sucked and went to rage only to find out it was ruined by editors and the original draft was so much better?
Well this is the thread in which you can post/discuss/learn/dissect those manga and MAYBE we can learn something from their failures.
RULES:
1. NO POPULAR SERIES.
Any series that is popular or successful and thus has a lot of fans is not for this thread. One Piece, Naruto, Bleach, Fairy Tail, AOT, SAO, MHA, JJK, Dragon Ball, YYH, HxH, FMA and other popular manga not mentioned here are disqualified from this discussion unless we are talking about how much better they are than the bad manga. Such series have large fanbases that will defend them and derail discussions, enough money to make counterarguements, enough substance to dedicate an entire thread on by themselves and are, by default, higher quality than the true slop. Bad source material with good adaptations and bad adaptations with good source material are allowed as long as you provide explanation as to what makes one bad and the other good.
2. YOU ARE ALLOWED TO DISAGREE WITH ONE ANOTHER.
What repulses one, entices another. Agree to disagree. Your mileage may vary. Opinions (including yours) are not perfect. None of these manga are worth a flame war. Accept that what one calls shit, the other might call mediocre. No need to chimp out.
3. GIVE ADVICE.
If you can say what they did wrong, provide advice as to how it could have been done better. Bear in mind that your critisism will also be crticised. Your criticism cannot be just "this manga sucks!".
4. PROVIDE LINKS.
Give sauce, not viruses.
5. NSFW.
Porn is meant to be consumed while horny with blood flowing away from the brain and thus we cannot judge it by the same standards. You are not supposed to think straight and analyse it. Porn with plot is not allowed for that reason. Plot with porn is fair game (ecchi, smut, erotica) though (as the plot part is important there). Niche/hardcore porn genres are NOT allowed as they are made to have small but dedicated audiences by design and thus they were never meant to be popular beyond a certain point.
Let me start with 3 manga that caught my attention as deserving of discussion on a thread like this:
1) The story of the Banisher side. (A manga in which we follow the least likable people in the "New" "Exile" trope.)
The "Exile" trend involves a party/corporation/guild/company kicking out the protagonist for whatever reason only for that person to awaken an aspect of their power that makes them OP or has the potential to be OP with training. This story is no different in that regard. Est is a support mage that causes INCREDIBLE buffs on his teammates but has all the offensive and defensive power of a wet paper napkin. At the start of the series, he gets injured because the ones running vanguard cocked up and he is in a critical state. Seeing that the logical thing to do in this situation was to see what they can do to improve their ability to protect the guy who gives the best buffs in the world as he is the backbone of their raid strategy, the protagoinists go the OPPOSITE route and fire the guy "for his own good". After being kicked out and mocked, Est goes inside a hard dungeon alone in order for adversity to unleash his hidden power. It works and he finally has the power to buff himself, transforming from a fragile butterfly to a WAR GOD! He returns to his old party to show his new power only to run into his childhood friend/leader/love interest in a very compromising position with the male lead (nothing was happening between them but it looked like it was). Misunderstanding ensues and Est storms out in anger and starts a party with two catgirls. As time progresses, we learn that Est 's former party is a bunch of hypocritical, toxic and EVIL assholes we are supposed to sympathise with. Also, the only reason Est was injured in the first place was the fact that his party members were hiding their power. OUR HEROES EVERYBODY!!!
Here is me explaining the story in a bit more detail for those interested:
What could we have done to improve this? Make the protagonists sympathetic. Treat their friend like a friend and consider his feeling before taking a decision that will alter everyone 's fate. And have them be introspective. See how they can change themselves first before they kick anyone out.
2) Position Distopiary - Gesellschaft Blume. (A world so bleak and devoid of hope that you could DESTROY THE PLANET AND PEOPLE 'S LIVING CONDITIONS WOULD IMPROVE! I am not even joking.)
The protagonist has an RPG class. That class is "Subjugator". Subjugators are the backbone of the parties that fight the "Demon King". Subjugators gain a TEMPORARY buff when their teammates are killed. The protagonist and most other subjugators kill their party themselves in nearly every fight. Those people stay dead. The end.
How to fix this? Go to the pharmacy, buy EXTRA-strength anti-depressants and make a less grimderp/bleak story that will not be mocked for its edgyness nor will cause its readers to start cutting themselves. Whoever wrote this should see a psychiatrist ASAP!
3) Ayashimon. (From the creator of Hell 's Paradise comes a disappointing Yakuza Tale.)
In a world where the Yakuza gangs are actual demons (as opposed to our world where they are a type of fairy), a "special" boy and a fallen Yakuza princess try to take over the city by forming alliances with other criminals. The problem? The boy is brainrotted, the antagonist lacks charisma and the poor waifu has to carry the entire story like some cute version of Atlas. I am serious! Kid was beaten so horribly by his dad that he developed a ton of mental defects to go with his super strength and became so mentally and socially stunted that manga and violence are his only form of reference and communication respectively. To use Jojo as a reference, the male lead is like a violent and stupid Jonathan and the main antagonist is like Dio if he lacked any form of charisma. How could it not be canceled? The male lead is an idiot that screams "This is just like manga!" anytime a Yakuza does anything supernatural and draws allusion to famous Shonen Jump heroes. I do not think that Shueisha liked the fact that their marketable characters were being compared to evil criminals. Especially during a massive Yakuza crackdown. Speaking of: The Yakuza Crackdown. Just when Japan at large is starting to get sick of its mobsters, here comes Ayashimon and tells people 's kids that the Yakuza are kinda like superheroes and glorifies them. It could not have come at a worse time.
Is this even fixable? Yes. Ditch the controversial Yakuza theme, replace it with fantasy, have the male lead be a knight/warrior/paladin/berserker or whatever, give him a brain, have the female lead be a demon princess or something that wants her throne back, have them build an army by conquering nearby warlords and you are golden! Just reskin everything and the story can remain the same. Plus give the male lead an actual personality.
There you go! This were some of the examples of how this should go. All of them failed for different reasons so there is some real divesity here. Feel free to ask any questions regarding the rules. Also, tell me if you have any other problem with this OP.
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