Ah yes, “retroactive foreshadowing” as coined by Andrew Hussie of H*mestuck infamy. While novels are usually written and edited as a unit and would thus avoid retroactive foreshadowing as the entire story by definition must be planned in advance, comics ABSOLUTELY does this to a massive degree.
Only after he died....AFTER!
I wish Itachi got this much hate in Naruto.
I consider both Eren and Itachi both one and the same for being shit eating weasels who made everything worse in the long run
Not to whiteknight for Itachi, but I think what happened with him is that Kishimoto realized how popular he was with the fans and retconned him into being a good guy.
Given how he murders his family and clan and spared Sasuke since “he’s so weak that he ain’t worth killing”, and then things get more convoluted with him and Madara…makes sense to me.
Kishi most definitely retconned Itachi, as well as most of part one Naruto. A big egregious example is that the tailed Beasts and Jinchuriki as they exist in Shippuden weren't a thing yet. Shikaku was the evil spirit of a demonic monk that the Sand Village was using as a weapon and that's even stated in part one.
Part of me feels that Naruto and if you’ll like it depends on how you’re introduced to it. And it should have ended much earlier: skip the Shinobi War after Pain and just go to Sasuke.
In my opinion, AOT is a lot more consistent than Naruto. AOT only really begins to fall off after the rumbling starts, though I enjoyed it all the way up to 131. AOT just goes to show how fucking up the ending to a story can completely shatter the rest of it.
I've heard a lot of people say it, and even i'll agree. The war arc wasn't THAT bad however unlike others, I feel like it REALLY falls apart when Neji dies. I say this mainly because this is when you get that last minute NaruHina shit and Kishi is pretty much like "Oh shit I forgot I need to give the main hero his love interest!" and Neji dies for nothing/NaruHina development. If anything it shits on his character as well but I don't get into it, just know there's a ton of irony about Neji's philosophy/upbringing and how he died. War got interesting when Sasuke joined, but then it fell apart again with the whole space alien Kaguya bullshit.
Honestly with Attack on Titan while it had decent character stuff post-timeskip, there were a lot of cracks showing where there is clear plot armor and how Isayama forces the story to go ever since the serumbowl especially with how he made everyone retardedly racist. Like Attack on Titan just became like a DnD session where Isayama was forcing the players down a particular path while making other options obsolete
The problem with the war arc is pacing and the fact it became painfully obvious Kishi made Madara too strong. Kaguya was a quick way to write him out of the story. Another big issue is that every time the story picks up it just drags on and on. So, to even get to the good parts you have to slog through the first half of the arc which is complete trash in my opinion. Then Madara shows up and it's good for a bit, and then it feels like everyone just stands around and talks for hours before the action starts again. Then that cycle repeats. Something cool happens, and then everyone stands around and talks.
Problem is AoT isn't Xeelee: Sequence or others series where humanity been cunt-punted into a bouncy-ball prison for a few thousand to a few million years. Nor is AoT a series where humanity going to forgive or forget somebody just almost annihilated their species. And the survivors ain't going to let the people responsible or anyone else have another crack at wiping them out ala the Macross franchise.
That's pretty much the issue, all other solutions were presented to fail because Isayama showed his hand that he really wanted the rumbling to happen no matter what. Like even after it ends there is no reason for humanity to forgive the island, and it shows in the extra pages when they nuked the shit out of it.
That and Eren's political wing still made an issue of running politics on Paradis (or trying to at least), so of course blowing the island to kingdom come seemed like a logical thing to do. Not sure how you'd fix it unless it was EVERYONE against Eren (but did the manga actually do that)?
Yep and then fans would defend this shit by saying "MUH THEMES" or justify no alternatives because "THEMES"
I actually quite liked IBO and I think the difference here is that IBO's ending is just meant to be very brutal and nihilistic. I have no problem with that. I love fucked up and sad endings, so if that was the only problem with AOT's ending then that would be fine.
The ending of the Pain Arc really felt like a satisfying ending, if I was writing it I probably would have ended the story there. Leave Sasuke out there as a potential villain for sequel/spinoff bait.
The one real upside of the serumbowl is that we didn't have to watch Isayama turn Erwin into a fucking idiot later in the story.
That and if Erwin lived, we probably wouldn’t have had the funniest character in the series with Sasha gone (since he would’ve been more rational but also be an Erwin simp instead)
