Science Atheism Did Not Cause Wokeism

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Atheism Did Not Cause Wokeism

If the decline of religion really did bring about wokeism, the last place we would expect it to arise is the United States.
Helen Pluckrose, Aug 20, 2024


Isn’t Christianity better than wokeism? Don’t we need shared systems of belief to have community and meaning? Isn’t it clear that atheism has failed? Hasn’t atheism, in fact, brought about wokeism?

These are the questions that are repeatedly being asked of anti-woke atheists. Underlying them is the Substitution Hypothesis of Wokeism. This holds that people need a religious structure to bring them community, purpose and meaning, and, as religion declines, they seize onto another quasi-religious structure to take its place, and this is wokeism. As we (anti-woke atheists) clearly see that wokeism is terrible for society, can we not admit that Christianity was better and consider going back to it?

Absolutely not, no.

The Substitution Hypothesis is coming overwhelmingly from the United States, but if the decline of religion really did bring about wokeism, the last place we would expect it to arise is the United States. The US has degrees of religiosity much closer to that of Iran than the rest of the Anglosphere. When a country has the highest level of religiosity of all the wealthy countries and the highest degree of wokeism, we can be pretty confident that the cause of wokeism is not the decline of religion.

It makes little sense for American anti-wokeists to perceive the choices before us all as Christianity or wokeism when it is quite clear that the US has astoundingly high degrees of both. It makes even less sense to blame atheism for wokeism when the US has so little of it and the countries that are predominantly atheist don’t have the same problem with wokeism.

The facts of the matter do not, of course, speak to the underlying desire to find shared values and community so that the fighting will stop. I empathize with this, but to borrow E.O. Wilson’s famous saying about Marxism, “Nice Idea, wrong species.” We cannot say that shared belief systems have never been tried. They have been the main way of governing societies historically and still are in many countries. A look at countries in which one religion dominates answers the question of whether this reduces conflict or not.

“These countries are mostly Muslim,” some people will say. “Christianity is an entirely different thing.” Again, no. 450,000 denominations of Christianity exist for a reason and that reason is that humans do not do well at sharing belief systems. They branch off and form sects that want to kill each other, often even more than they want to kill people of an entirely different faith. As my background in late medieval Christian history informs me, making everybody believe the same thing does not reduce Culture Wars at all. It just makes them bloodier.

“Now you are being hyperbolic” I hear my imaginary interlocutor say, “Nobody is advocating for medieval attitudes to Christianity or making anybody believe anything.” Well, if you are not, you are speaking about a later form of Christianity softened by liberalism and rendered optional by liberal democracies. If that is the case, can we skip the whole Christianity part and go straight to the liberalism? Especially as God continues to seem not to exist?

You could lead here, America, the one country founded as a liberal democracy with secularism built into its constitution. Rather than trying to get people to all hold a shared belief system, let’s work for a consensus on better managing the different belief systems any society of humans will inevitably have. Let’s strengthen and enforce the liberal principle of, “You may believe what you wish but you must not force it on me.” Let’s expand and enforce the secular principle of separation of Church and State to include separation of wokeism and state (and any other ideology and state).

If we can get enough people to do that, everybody really will be able to find meaning and purpose and community in their own way. I think we should do that.


About the Author​

Helen Pluckrose is a political and cultural writer and commentator who highlights and opposes ideological capture in vital institutions. She is the author of The Counterweight Handbook: Principled Strategies for Surviving and Defeating Critical Social Justice Ideology – at Work, in Schools and Beyond and co-author of Cynical Theories: How Activist Scholarship Made Everything about Race, Gender, and Identity – And Why this Harms Everybody.
Above all, Helen just wants people to value evidence-based epistemology and consistently liberal ethics.
 
Being primates creates the vacuum where something gay has to dwell. Just fill it with the most dignified thing you can manage and shut the fuck up about it.
 
Isn't a lot of "wokeism" that is pushed by corpos just stemming from them usurping the occupy movement back when it actually threatened their interests? The entire "movement" is fully co-opted and operated by corporate interests so that people that might be dangerous are instead submerged in bullshit fake "idealogy" and too busy eating its own tail to turn around and bite back.
 
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The fact they had to write this article is proof that new atheism played a big role in causing corporate woke culture and tranny nonsense. Even Richard Dawkins himself said so.
 
Atheism didn't cause wokeism, but in its "Atheism Plus" incarnation it was pretty close to Patient Zero. If you're an anti-woke atheist, you need to face up to that fact and ask yourself what it says about your community.
 
Above all, Helen just wants people to value evidence-based epistemology and consistently liberal ethics.
Well then instead of arguing against strawmen she made up she should try arguing with an actual Christian. Of course the she couldn't just dismiss her imaginary interlocutor out of hand and say "nope" in response
 
If you're an anti-woke atheist, you need to face up to that fact and ask yourself what it says about your community.
That's the problem right there, if you don't believe, you don't believe, there's no reason to congregate around "not believing" except for the purposes of mental masturbation.

Reddit atheism is a perfect example of that, it's either people majorly harmed by a religious community, or wankers circlejerking each other with how superior they are for not "falling in the trap of religion".
 
Atheism created the gap and woke ism slithered in. That’s undeniable.
Whether this person likes Christianity or not isn’t the point. The point is that humans in general need a belief system, it’s deeply wired in. She seems to think that unless Christianity is perfect and liked by her it’s not better.
The SJW is a religion;
- it has a concept of original sin (being white or male or other oppressor.)
-it has dogma
- it has mantras (trans women are women!)
- it has tithing (donate to my ko -fi!)
-it has transubstantiation (troons and pooners)
- it has belief policing and enforcement (cancellation for wrongthink.)
-it has a hierarchical structure
It’s about as religious as it could get.
 
This is exactly the kind of "I'm very smort" writing expected from atheists, sceptics and their ilk. "Wokeism" is a product of American elite universities, the places where actually practicising christians are highly underrepresented. It's not Charismatic Baptists and snake-handling Pentecoastals suddenly demanding state-funded "sexual reassignment" surgery who form the religious bedrock of "Wokeism".

If that is the case, can we skip the whole Christianity part and go straight to the liberalism?

No we can't.
The liberal (German "freiheitlich"), secularized state lives by prerequisites which it cannot guarantee itself. This is the great adventure it has undertaken for freedom's sake. As a liberal state it can endure only if the freedom it bestows on its citizens takes some regulation from the interior, both from a moral substance of the individuals and a certain homogeneity of society at large. On the other hand, it cannot by itself procure these interior forces of regulation, that is not with its own means such as legal compulsion and authoritative decree. Doing so, it would surrender its liberal character (freiheitlichkeit) and fall back, in a secular manner, into the claim of totality it once led the way out of, back then in the confessional civil wars.
 
Atheism created the gap and woke ism slithered in. That’s undeniable.
Whether this person likes Christianity or not isn’t the point. The point is that humans in general need a belief system, it’s deeply wired in. She seems to think that unless Christianity is perfect and liked by her it’s not better.
The SJW is a religion;
- it has a concept of original sin (being white or male or other oppressor.)
-it has dogma
- it has mantras (trans women are women!)
- it has tithing (donate to my ko -fi!)
-it has transubstantiation (troons and pooners)
- it has belief policing and enforcement (cancellation for wrongthink.)
-it has a hierarchical structure
It’s about as religious as it could get.
It also completely went over her head that since Americans culturally center religion more, it makes complete sense for a cult religion to take off faster here than elsewhere, especially after people have been aggressively guilt tripped out of normal religion.
 
Trust The Science vs Trust Science.
They have simply created a new religion, Science was never meant to replace religion, its not a moral study or gives real purpose to existence, but it has been used to do so. They have their own clergymen to dictate The truth. Not factual truth but theirs. They have their own dogma as well. Many "enlightened" secular scientists have committed and invented new atrocities. Man made horrors and all.
 
It is a replacement for religion, social and political activism always was, as was ideology.
Why do you think absolute governments and one-party states were, at best, wary of religion?
Fascism accepted the cultural heritage of christianity to varying degrees, but communism tried to actively stamp it out.

Everybody understands instinctively that woke busybodies who snoop and monitor other people's business over moral proprietress, demonstrate for causes that don't affect them or anyone they know personally and people constantly repeat party lines and ideological platitudes are the same ilk of religious zealots evangelizing.
 
Atheism created the gap and woke ism slithered in. That’s undeniable.
I disagree. Pre-Kitzmiller v. Dover, American "movement" atheists were perfectly content to fight the George W. Bush-era culture wars surrounding evolutionism vs. creationism, fundies vs. fedoras, etc. Woke didn't set in until those culture wars fizzled out (with the atheists largely getting what they wanted), and the question of "Now what?" arose. Due to the particular circumstances and timing in America, that happened to be wokeism, but we don't see a similar phenomenon in godless Europe, for example.
If anything, I see wokeism as more of a replacement for crusading than for religion. The previous wave of illiberal leftism in '90s America also followed the sputtering out of the crusading civil rights movement.

The SJW is a religion;
- it has a concept of original sin (being white or male or other oppressor.)
-it has dogma
- it has mantras (trans women are women!)
- it has tithing (donate to my ko -fi!)
-it has transubstantiation (troons and pooners)
- it has belief policing and enforcement (cancellation for wrongthink.)
-it has a hierarchical structure
While I agree the stereotypical SJW does hold beliefs that are essentially "magical", I'd hesitate to call it a religion when the dogma can turn on a dime. As the meme goes: "I Support The Current Thing!" I don't think a mob or a mass hysteria can be a religion, it's just not the right lens to view it through.
 
The US has degrees of religiosity much closer to that of Iran than the rest of the Anglosphere.
What the fuck is this gay ranking? Iran has sahria law, which is pretty fucking religious even if the population doesn't support it.

Anyways Atheism was definitely a vector, and you'd find that most woke men were hardcore atheist to "rebel" against the system.
 
How many times do we need to try and reconstruct the Tower of Babel before we learn that none of this works without Christ at the helm?
 
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