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Strictly speaking, a monopoly in the meaningful sense is a state grant of exclusive privilege, and therefore not something that can even exist in a free market. Without government protection, the only way to "dominate" a market is by offering better prices or products, which is not exploitation, but rather success.
It's the same thing with cartels. Without the state to enforce them, they fall apart. Each member has every incentive to undercut the others to get more customers. That's why cartels only endure when they're backed by law (tariffs, licenses, subsidies, patents etc.)
So the "central" you're asking for is creating monopoly rather than solving it. In a genuinely free market, monopolies cannot appear and cartels don't last.
but what if the company that got rich by being successful this way hires/starts something akin to pinkertons and for example make people only buy their products or else or if another company that would offer better quality/prices gets a knock on their door to cease operation or else? essentially turning into a cartel/mafia, basically a scenario similar to when carnegie hired actual pinkertons to stop the protest for better working conditions at his factories, but instead of workers it's the general public or other companies.

the general public scenario is a lil bit farfetched but i think a company using its funds to terrorise other companies is a very plausible scenario
 
Getting attacked doesn't mean that you didn't have any rights. It means that your rights were violated.
I don't disagree, but your family has still been raped to death, because you pretended incompatible groups from across the planet could somehow sustain your Anarcho-Lolbert system.

Until Lolberts acknowledge what the Founding Fathers knew ("Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."), they will continue to be principled losers (or principled dead), steamrolled by sociopaths who weaponize the inevitable result of demographics.
 
I'm not sure I buy the idea of monoplys being unable to exist under these conditions. If anything, without any higher authority willing to impose limits upon a company that has become too successful, I think companys would effectively end up emulating countries, but with citizens/workers loyal to the company rather than a nation. What's to stop any company that reaches the heights of Google or Amazon from continuing to buy out everyone underneath them and becoming a monopoly? It's typically when they start threatening a nations interests that they finally get slapped down and restricted, but if a country itself can't do that, who can?
A monopoly in the strict sense means a state grant of exclusive privilege. That's why it simply can't exist without a state. In the absence of such a privilege, it's true that a company can grow large, but it has no authority whatsoever to stop anyone from competing with it. All it can do is offer better prices or services, and surely that's not a bad thing from the point of view of the customer?

The notion that a company could become a country ignores the crucial difference. Pepsi can't tax you, conscript you, or forbid competition by law. You can leave Pepsi, you can boycott Pepsi, you can build alternatives to Pepsi. The state makes those things illegal. And that is precisely why, in the current day and age, companies like Google and Amazon are thriving under state protection (patents, regulation that destroys small competitors, massive state contracts). Without this protection in place, they have no choice but to face competition, and their position would be far more fragile than it looks today.
So the reality isn't that the state keeps monopolies in check, it's that the state is the biggest monopoly and all it does is provide the only way that monopolies can endure, namely through violence against peaceful people



but what if the company that got rich by being successful this way hires/starts something akin to pinkertons and for example make people only buy their products or else or if another company that would offer better quality/prices gets a knock on their door to cease operation or else? essentially turning into a cartel/mafia, basically a scenario similar to when carnegie hired actual pinkertons to stop the protest for better working conditions at his factories, but instead of workers it's the general public or other companies.

the general public scenario is a lil bit farfetched but i think a company using its funds to terrorise other companies is a very plausible scenario
If a company uses finds to hire thugs and threaten competitors or customers, that's not "free market behavior", it's aggression, a violation of the free market. It's no different from a street gang doing the same thing. There is no such thing as a special exemption for a company just because it's wealthy. Aggression is aggression, and it can be defended against and retaliated just like any other violation.

Forgive me for not being super familiar with the Pinkerton case, but it happened in a state framework. Unions often occupied company property, states perverted the law, and violence was wrapped in political privilege. That is not an example of what happens when nobody has a monopoly on law and law enforcement. It's exactly what happens when one side can expect legal cover (read: the state)

In a stateless order, if a firm tried to use violence to terrorize its rivals, it would not be seen as "a successful company defending its turf", it would be seen as a gang of criminals. And without state protection, it would face defensive coalitions, boycotts, insurers dropping them, and rivals hiring their own protection.
 
I don't disagree, but your family has still been raped to death, because you pretended incompatible groups from across the planet could somehow sustain your Anarcho-Lolbert system.

Until Lolberts acknowledge what the Founding Fathers knew ("Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."), they will continue to be principled losers (or principled dead), steamrolled by sociopaths who weaponize the inevitable result of demographics.
Do you even understand your own logic?
Mobs weaponizing demographics to steamroll others is exactly what happens under statism, not anarcho-capitalism. It is only because there is "public property" and political offices that can be captured that demographics become a weapon in the first place. Without a state, there is no commons to fight over. Property lines don't depend on cultural compatibility, they depend on exclusion. Incompatible groups can exist, but only where they are invited or tolerated by owners.

It boggles my mind that you don't see that the Founding Fathers displayed a weakness of the state and democracy that you love so much. Even they knew that it required a majority of "moral and religious people" to hold it together, because their constitution still gave the government a monopoly and trusted the culture not to abuse it. It's an admission that the entire framework was not grounded in ethics, but in sociology.

The core aspect is that, in anarcho-capitalism, aggression is aggression, no matter who does it or how big their demographic is. And under the state, the same aggressors obtain legal cover.
 
What's to stop any company that reaches the heights of Google or Amazon from continuing to buy out everyone underneath them and becoming a monopoly?
Realistically, sheer expense and overextension. Governments are not cheap to run, requiring vast amounts of money to essentially produce nothing of value. You can only get that value through some form of theft or taxation. Plus the main reason Google or Amazon are so big is because of government subsidizing them, (Amazon itself isn't profitable, but the government susbidizes it through AWS)
 
If a company uses finds to hire thugs and threaten competitors or customers, that's not "free market behavior", it's aggression, a violation of the free market. It's no different from a street gang doing the same thing. There is no such thing as a special exemption for a company just because it's wealthy. Aggression is aggression, and it can be defended against and retaliated just like any other violation.

Forgive me for not being super familiar with the Pinkerton case, but it happened in a state framework. Unions often occupied company property, states perverted the law, and violence was wrapped in political privilege. That is not an example of what happens when nobody has a monopoly on law and law enforcement. It's exactly what happens when one side can expect legal cover (read: the state)

In a stateless order, if a firm tried to use violence to terrorize its rivals, it would not be seen as "a successful company defending its turf", it would be seen as a gang of criminals. And without state protection, it would face defensive coalitions, boycotts, insurers dropping them, and rivals hiring their own protection.
Here's a Wikipedia link if you want to know more.
Basically the gist of my point/question is that, what's really stopping the theoretical company? Sure, it can be recognized as aggression, a crime or whatever, but so what? The difference between a mafia and a company is the size and budget. In my point I'm basically thinking about a company that would have a Fortune 500 budget (a shit fucking ton). What's stopping the theoretical company to terrorise the other company? Sure it can be boycotted, but what if can't? For example a company building roads and sidewalks, you can't really boycott that, especially in a big city. It might not fit the "definition" of a monopoly, but that's arguing semantics, really.

Said company could buy out courts, could buy out other companies, could buy out armies, just to maintain its grip on the market.
 
Mobs weaponizing demographics to steamroll others is exactly what happens under statism, not anarcho-capitalism.
Without a state, there is no commons to fight over.
Without a state, you have no means to stop billion dollar ((NGOs)) from importing the entirety of Somalia and Haiti into your backyard, and declaring their own State (and your property rights invalid/muh'pressive).

Without a border, and control over who may enter, you lose everything else, and will be arguing about whose aggression was invalid from your mass grave.
 
Basically the gist of my point/question is that, what's really stopping the theoretical company? Sure, it can be recognized as aggression, a crime or whatever, but so what? The difference between a mafia and a company is the size and budget. In my point I'm basically thinking about a company that would have a Fortune 500 budget (a shit fucking ton). What's stopping the theoretical company to terrorise the other company? Sure it can be boycotted, but what if can't? For example a company building roads and sidewalks, you can't really boycott that, especially in a big city. It might not fit the "definition" of a monopoly, but that's arguing semantics, really.

Said company could buy out courts, could buy out other companies, could buy out armies, just to maintain its grip on the market.
Having a Fortune 500 budget doesn't somehow suspend reality. Sustained aggression is extremely expensive and unstable. Every soldier or enforce you hire has an incentive to defect, every rival has an incentive to unite against you, and every insurer or arbitration agency that sells out to you destroys its credibility and goes out of business. Wealth makes these dynamics even stronger.

Mafias illustrate the point. They can be a local terror, but they can't scale into stable global empires without legal privilege. They burn resources faster than they can extract them, they fracture from within, and they invite coalitions that outweigh them. The only mafias that become "Fortune 500 sized" are the ones that merge with the state and gain exemption from the rules everyone else faces.

Furthermore, I really don't understand why you come here to voice your worry about a company buying courts, armies, and roads, as if it were some argument against anarcho-capitalism. That is exactly what the state already is. It's a gang that monopolized infrastructure and law by force, and then called it legitimacy. The difference in anarcho-capitalism is that no one has that exemption. If a firm tries to become a state, it faces the same judgment as any gang or common criminal. It is the aggressor and literally everyone else has both the right and the incentive to resist it.



Without a state, you have no means to stop billion dollar ((NGOs)) from importing the entirety of Somalia and Haiti into your backyard, and declaring their own State (and your property rights invalid/muh'pressive).

Without a border, and control over who may enter, you lose everything else, and will be arguing about whose aggression was invalid from your mass grave.
Again you're still smuggling in the state framework that you're criticizing. A "NGO" has no authority to import people onto land it doesn't own. If it were to try to do that, it's trespass (aggression) and no different from a gang breaking into your home.

In anarcho-capitalism, the border isn't a national frontier, but the boundary of property. You don't need a central bureaucracy to tell you who may enter your house, your business, or your neighborhood. Owners decide, and outsiders are only allowed to come in by invitation or contract.

Again, the nightmare you're describing, of being swamped with masses who are then declared a new state, is exactly what is happening under the absence of anarcho-capitalism. Governments fund NGOs, create "public property", and then force citizens to subsidize settlement. All you're doing is making arguments against the political system that you're assuming as the default
 
"Faggotry" is a bit vague, I can probably give a better answer if you're more specific.
I mean the faggots. I mean the gays. I mean the men that are so obsessed with pleasure that they rape boys because they get a kick out of destroying innocence.

If you mean behavior that polite people find obnoxious or degenerate, then under a libertarian system it's handled the same way as any other not-inherently-violent behavior, namely by property owners deciding what they allow or exclude.
You don't spend your entire life solely on your own property.

If you own the venue, you set the rules. If you don't, you live with the rules of whoever does. That's how peaceful order emerges without a central mafia.
Peaceful order does not emerge unless you spend several generations killing or imprisoning the fuckwits that don't give a shit about your private property lines so they don't reproduce. And then it doesn't last because retards like you think it emerges on its own instead of out persistent exertion of will watered by the blood, sweat, and tears of our forefathers.

What can't happen under anarcho-capitalism is the state forcing everyone to subsidize or tolerate whatever government officials decide is "good", whether that's corporate pride parades on public streets or religious censorship in your own house.
I don't think you understand. I don't want other people to have pride parades because we tried that and they immediately started waving penises in the faces of children. I want to exert my moral authority over other people and if we lived in an anarcho-capitalist society I'd do it at the barrel of the gun. You don't get to have anal sex because it never just stops at having anal sex.

Property boundaries are the only objective line
You are painfully naive. Let's put aside my (somewhat) hyperbolic statements from above. What do you do think happens when two property owners, say brothers, move your objective property line 4 yards to the East because they want access to the Apricot tree that was behind it?
 
In a stateless order, if a firm tried to use violence to terrorize its rivals, it would not be seen as "a successful company defending its turf", it would be seen as a gang of criminals. And without state protection, it would face defensive coalitions, boycotts, insurers dropping them, and rivals hiring their own protection.
Just from what I think about human nature, this would quickly end up resembling a rival cartel/mafioso affair and the "protection" part of it would become a very lucrative and corrupt industry. I think your idea of a free market is too idealistic because it would be unenforceable without state interference. You say that the company's reputation and the consumer's reactions to their evil actions will keep them in check as if they are incapable of deceiving people. They would probably become extremely good at deceiving people, depending on where consumer's rights falls within anarcho-capitalism. I'm assuming we would have way less consumer rights and there would be less obligation for a company to be truthful, because those are also state enforced laws on the company are they not?
 
I mean the faggots. I mean the gays. I mean the men that are so obsessed with pleasure that they rape boys because they get a kick out of destroying innocence.
You're blending together things that don't belong in the same category. Consensual sex between adults, regardless of how you feel about it, is not aggression. Raping children is aggression and it is treated as such under anarcho-capitalism. It is a violation of self-ownership and punishable as a crime.
Peaceful order does not emerge unless you spend several generations killing or imprisoning the fuckwits that don't give a shit about your private property lines so they don't reproduce. And then it doesn't last because retards like you think it emerges on its own instead of out persistent exertion of will watered by the blood, sweat, and tears of our forefathers.
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Saying you want to impose moral authority at the barrel of a gun is exactly what separates arbitrary rule from objective ethics. If might makes right, then you've abandoned any claim to law, you've just said your will is the rule. That's the same justification used by Liz "consent accident" Fong-Jones.
Order doesn't come from endless bloodshed. It comes from people respecting property boundaries. And that's something people already do constantly in every ordinary interaction. When disputes arise, like your brothers shifting a fence, the fact of conflict doesn't make the rules disappear. It means you bring in arbitration, insurers, or defense associations to settle the claim and enforce it, if you're incapable or unwilling to resolve it yourself. The existence of thieves or frauds does not mean property isn't real, all it means is that property is so real that we need rules to settle when it's violated.

So the choice is not between "naive" property lines and blood-and-soil crusades, it's between rules rooted in objective reality and rule by whoever's will can muster the biggest gang.



Just from what I think about human nature, this would quickly end up resembling a rival cartel/mafioso affair and the "protection" part of it would become a very lucrative and corrupt industry. I think your idea of a free market is too idealistic because it would be unenforceable without state interference. You say that the company's reputation and the consumer's reactions to their evil actions will keep them in check as if they are incapable of deceiving people. They would probably become extremely good at deceiving people, depending on where consumer's rights falls within anarcho-capitalism. I'm assuming we would have way less consumer rights and there would be less obligation for a company to be truthful, because those are also state enforced laws on the company are they not?
Rival mafias, deception, corruption, that is what we already see under states. The reason that mafias persist is because the state creates monopolies, shields cartels with regulation, and blocks people from taking direct contractual action. In anarcho-capitalism, where defense and arbitration are competitive, no firm has any legal privilege to hide behind.

In anarcho-capitalism, "consumer rights" come from property and contract. If a company sells you something under false pretenses, that's fraud and thus a form of aggression. It's actionable, and competing arbitration and insurance firms have every incentive to enforce it, because their own reputation depends on reliability.
Doesn't mean that, magically, no deception will ever happen, but markets punish it more efficiently than states do. A company caught lying loses customers and contracts, an arbitration agency caught favoring its clients loses credibility and collapses. In contrast, a state regulator faces no market penalty for failure and often protects the same companies it "regulates"

The issue isn't whether people are capable of being corrupt, they absolutely are. The issue is whether corruption is disciplined by competition or institutionalized by a monopoly that calls itself government
 
Thought experiment:
Multi-billion dollar corporation purchases large plot of land via voluntary exchange, charges anyone who wishes to live on this land a fee for the privilege, imposes restrictions on acceptable behavior while on their property enforced via fines, expulsion, or involuntary detention, and hires a large security force to execute said enforcement.

Does your system prevent this?
If so, how?
If not, in what way is this different from a dictatorship?
 
Thought experiment:
Multi-billion dollar corporation purchases large plot of land via voluntary exchange, charges anyone who wishes to live on this land a fee for the privilege, imposes restrictions on acceptable behavior while on their property enforced via fines, expulsion, or involuntary detention, and hires a large security force to execute said enforcement.

Does your system prevent this?
If so, how?
If not, in what is this different from a dictatorship?
The hypothetical situation is not a dictatorship, but rather a contractual community. Like, if a corporation buys land and sets conditions for living there, that's no different in principle from a landlord or a shopping mall or a gated community today. Entry is by consent, rules are part of the contract, and leaving is always an option.
By contrast, a dictatorship means you're born into "its jurisdiction", you can't opt out without exile, and you have no competing alternatives. Its rules are enforced by a political monopoly and not by voluntary contract. That's the key distinction. Without that distinction, you might as well call any nightclub with a dress code a tyranny.
So, if a corporation tried to turn its property into a prison camp, the market response would be exit and competition. Nobody has to rent there and rivals can always offer better terms. That is a competitive discipline that doesn't exist under state, and that's why state abuse scales without limits.

The question isn't "would corporations set rules for their land?". Of course they would, like any other owner does. The question is whether those rules are imposed without consent and without escape. That's what makes a dictatorship, and that's ruled out under anarcho-capitalism
 
Entry is by consent, rules are part of the contract, and leaving is always an option.
Would the situation be different if the contract stipulated that any children you have on the property are also beholden to it? What if the contract was subject to change without your consent? What if one of these updates to the contract is you are now not allowed to leave?
 
Would the situation be different if the contract stipulated that any children you have on the property are also beholden to it? What if the contract was subject to change without your consent? What if one of these updates to the contract is you are now not allowed to leave?
A contract only binds those who consent to it. You can't sign away the rights of people who never agreed, and that includes children. The moment they're capable of acting independently, they make their own choices.
Likewise, a "contract" that says "terms may change without your consent" is not a contract at all, it's fraud. No libertarian legal system would enforce it because the whole point of contract law is that both sides know and agree to the terms.
And "you may not leave" clauses get rid of the very idea of voluntary exchange. If you can't exit, then whatever is happening isn't contract anymore, it's coercion, so it's in the same category as mugging or war. Under libertarian law, there are not just limitations to contract, but also to ownership, such as in the case when you want to encircle someone's land.

Ironically though, the hypothetical you're describing is exactly how states already operate today. You're born into "their jurisdiction", bound by laws you didn't agree to, the rules change without your consent, and you can't leave without penalty. Anarcho-capitalism exists precisely to rule out such arrangements
 
No libertarian legal system would enforce it
Right. And Ayn Rand stipulated herself that the government's primary function should be to determine and enforce the validity of contracts. But she was not an AnCap.
What you're suggesting here requires a governing body with a monopoly of force or any "legal system" goes out the window.

If you wanna be libertarian, that's a whole other discussion. But you opened this thread describing yourself as AnCap.

Ironically though, the hypothetical you're describing is exactly how states already operate today.
Sure is. The punchline to this line of questioning is that AnCap necessarily evolves to become a conglomeration of enclaves with distinct legal systems up until the point the AnCap nation simply ceases to exist.
 
Explain the benefit of Disney-Reich using privately owned nukes to suppress their fiefdom uprising after implementing Droit du seigneur for Disney executives?
 
You're blending together things that don't belong in the same category. Consensual sex between adults, regardless of how you feel about it, is not aggression.
I personally disagree with this, acceptance of homosexuality literally always leads to pedophilia on any large scale. You don't even need to look back to places like ancient Greece/Rome/Japan because the modern gay rights movement was founded by the kind of freaks that openly support NAMBLA.
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The reality is that attraction to the same sex is an extreme fetish/paraphilia and those tend to cluster, a gay dude will always have skeletons in his closet and an uncomfortable amount of them will be "fun sized".
Raping children is aggression and it is treated as such under anarcho-capitalism. It is a violation of self-ownership and punishable as a crime.
I promise this isn't a personal attack but the way you've phrased this coupled with my own experiences talking to ancaps and libertarians compels me to ask
  • What would the age of consent be in Ancapistan?
  • Would child porn remain completely and utterly banned the same way it is now?
  • Minor miners?
 
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