Opinion Are We the Baddies? - An opinion piece on why NATO is bad

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Are We the Baddies?​

Nearly two decades ago, the British comedy series “That Mitchell and Webb Look” featured a sketch in which two Nazi SS officers on the Russian front during World War II experience a crisis of conscience when they realize that they may not be on the right side. Examining the silver skull on his cap, one officer uncertainly asks the other, “Hans … are we the baddies?”

Many Americans will get a similar feeling after reading the Feb. 8 report, “How America Took Out the Nord Stream Pipeline,” by the renowned investigative journalist Seymour Hersh. Hersh reports that President Joe Biden, National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan, Secretary of State Tony Blinken, and Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland devised a covert plan to destroy the Nord Stream 2 natural gas pipeline, a joint project that would have delivered Russian natural gas to Germany and the rest of Europe.

According to Hersh’s sources, the U.S. Navy’s deep-sea divers planted explosives on the pipeline in June near the Danish Island of Bornholm, using the cover of a joint NATO exercise to disguise their activities, and then remotely detonated the bombs in September, just as the European appetite for continuing the endless trains of money and war materiel to Ukraine was beginning to fade. “As long as Europe remained dependent on the pipelines for cheap natural gas, Washington was afraid that countries like Germany would be reluctant to supply Ukraine with the money and weapons it needed to defeat Russia,” Hersh wrote.

The White House, Central Intelligence Agency, and Pentagon immediately issued their standard denials of Hersh’s reporting, but his reputation for revealing the truth of covert government activities is second-to-none. Hersh uncovered the My Lai massacre in Vietnam and the secret bombing of Cambodia, Pakistan’s secret nuclear program, the torture program at Abu Ghraib, and the facts about the killing of Osama bin Laden in Pakistan, among many other stories.

Furthermore, despite the improbable U.S. government narrative last fall that Russia bombed its own pipeline, it was obvious to many observers that the United States and its allies were likely behind the Nord Stream 2 bombing. Chronicles’ own politics editor, Pedro Gonzalez, wrote an online article, “A Day of Infamy in Europe” on Sept. 29, pointing out the obvious signs that the United States was behind the sabotage, including the ominous hints spoken publicly by President Biden and Nuland, and even surmising—correctly, according to Hersh’s reporting—that the U.S. used the BALTOPS 22 joint NATO exercise to conceal the sabotage.

The import of this story should not be lost on Americans. It appears that our government has attacked the civilian infrastructure of an allied country and a member of the NATO alliance—Germany—for the purposes of maintaining a geostrategic advantage over both Europe and Russia. Such an attack would be many things: an act of international terrorism, a war crime, a betrayal of an ally and of the NATO treaty, an attack on a nuclear superpower, and an impeachable offense by President Biden. Above all, it would be an evil action, revealing the utter moral bankruptcy of the claim, oft repeated by both neoliberals and neoconservatives, that the United States government acts as a moral force in the world, spreading abroad freedom, democracy, and the high principles of the American Founding Fathers.

In fact, the U.S. corporate state media and military complex has been remarkably effective at hypnotizing and distracting Americans from the reality of the situation in Ukraine. It has ignored the Nord Stream 2 issue and instead focused obsessively for a week straight about the made-up threat of supposed Chinese spy balloons flying over the U.S.—this was a Wag the Dog-style distraction campaign, assisted by Air Force fighter jets firing $400,000 missiles to shoot down what, at press time, appear to have actually been $12 weather balloons flown by Midwestern hobbyists.

The gaslighting continued in the European Union headquarters in Brussels in mid-February, where the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman, General Mark Milley, delivered this statement:
NATO and this coalition has never been stronger. And Russia is now a global pariah, and the world remains inspired by Ukrainian bravery and resilience. In short, Russia has lost. They’ve lost strategically, operationally, and tactically. And they are paying an enormous price on the battlefield.
Contrary to Milley’s statement, Russia is decidedly not a global pariah. The Western financial sanctions on Russia have had virtually no effect the Russian economy. Russian GDP shrank only modestly in 2022, by 2.2 percent, and is expected by the International Monetary Fund to expand this year and next, exceeding U.S. growth. This is happening because most of the world’s non-Western economic powers declined to support the U.S.-led sanctions against Russia—China, most significantly, but also countries that are putatively U.S. allies, including India, Israel, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and even Mexico.

Nor, contra Milley, has Russia lost the war in Ukraine “strategically, operationally, and tactically.” As of press time, Russian forces are surrounding the city of Bakhmut in Ukraine, and a slow but relentless westward push, bolstered by hundreds of thousands of newly mobilized troops, is underway. In the same briefing at which Milley spoke, U.S. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin admitted that Ukraine is running short of ammunition. “Ukraine has been at this for a year, and so they have used a lot of artillery ammunition,” Austin said. “We are going to do everything we can working with our international partners to ensure that we give them as much ammunition as quickly as possible.”

NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg was even more frank about Ukraine’s supply problems. “The war in Ukraine is consuming an enormous amount of munitions and depleting allied stockpiles,” Stoltenberg said. “The current rate of Ukraine’s ammunition expenditure is many times higher than our current rate of production. This puts our defense industries under strain.” Stoltenberg also didn’t appear to have gotten his talking points down pat when he revealed the truth about what the U.S. corporate state media likes to call Russia’s “unprovoked war of aggression against Ukraine.” Speaking to reporters outside of the NATO headquarters in Brussels, Stoltenberg said:
The war didn’t start in February of last year. The war started in 2014. And since 2014, NATO allies have provided support to Ukraine, with training, with equipment, so that Ukrainian forces were much stronger in 2022 than they were in 2014. And of course that made a huge difference when President Putin decided to attack Ukraine.
The reality Stoltenberg is referring to is that the current Russo-Ukrainian War started in February 2014, when the U.S. fomented a coup in Ukraine to overturn the election of pro-Russian president Viktor Yanukovych, and in the subsequent years empowered the neo-Nazi elements of the Ukrainian military—the Azov Battalions inspired by the World War II-era far-right leader Stepan Bandera—to bomb, shell, and murder the pro-Russian Ukrainian civilians in the Donbas.

Lamentably, Americans on both the left and the right—confused by the relentless propaganda, ignorant of the background of the conflict, or harboring knee-jerk distrust of Russia—have felt compelled to support Ukraine as the victim in this war. But that support is slipping. After the start of the war last year, 60 percent of Americans supported sending weapons to Ukraine, according to a poll by the Associated Press and the NORC Center for Public Affairs Research. That support has dropped to 48 percent as of February. As Americans learn more about the corrupt history of America’s involvement in Ukraine, one can hope that they will ask the same question George Washington posed in the final line of his Farewell Address of 1796:
Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, rivalship, interest, humor or caprice?
 
How about we try this approach instead. You list out all the cool shit the CIA has been behind that hasn't backfired on the American people in some way. That way we can make this exchange shorter and more efficient.
The easiest question is "who stands to benefit most from Nordstream being destroyed" and the answer there is pretty obvious.
Honestly? I think the USA is indeed the most likely culprit. Doesn't mean Hersh is right, nor am I willing to entirely discount the possibility of other actors given how many people hate(d) Russia and/or Germany.
"Listen he says the moon is made of rocks, and I tend to agree that it probably is, but that DOESN'T mean he's right or that I agree with him! I am also not ready to discount the possibility that it is made of cheese"


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Honestly I don't give a shit, we need to stop fucking around with other countries in both regards, but apparently the anti-war people are really fairweather depending on who's president. Protest Warrior may have been a little cringe, but they made a fair point on that.

It's really none of our business, and will only serve to bankrupt the country further than it already has been.

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This is the part I don't get. Ukraine has been part of the Russian State for centuries. Never once in living memory did Ukraine being part of the Russian State matter to anyone in the West. As someone who lives in Texas, I do not care if Russia invades and takes all of Ukraine. Sucks to be Ukraine I guess!

I want no part in any of it. The endless amount of Slava Ukraini from people in the USA who have never and will never set foot in Ukraine baffles me. Why should the US support this? Why should we fund this?
 
Nice job with those goalposts. You a Romanian soccer player? Is there some reason you cannot admit that you got snookered by Hersh's obvious bullshit?

Just take the L and move on. You can still think Putin is LIDURRALLY Hitler without pretending the US would never resort to such a mean thing as blowing up a pipeline to keep Germany's options limited.

The easiest question is "who stands to benefit most from Nordstream being destroyed" and the answer there is pretty obvious.

Obviously that points directly to the US as well. Some people just can't accept that our CIA & State Dept do shady shit all the time. They're still living in grade school fantasy land.
 
The easiest question is "who stands to benefit most from Nordstream being destroyed" and the answer there is pretty obvious.

"Listen he says the moon is made of rocks, and I tend to agree that it probably is, but that DOESN'T mean he's right or that I agree with him! I am also not ready to discount the possibility that it is made of cheese"


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It’s more that Hersh’s ”expose“ reads like a Tom Clancy novel, with bullshit tech jargon that means nothing, improbable “super divers” and “highly advanced sound triggered bombs”. Frankly, it wouldnt surprise me if Hersh’s article was the propaganda, publishing a sufficiently absurd story that many people end up discounting the idea outright, poisoning the well if you will.

Regardless of that, there’s a decent change it was the US that blew up Nordstream, but crediting this as “fact” based on one article that relies entirely on a single “anonymous source” with apparently extensive knowledge of every part of the supposed operation to blow up the pipeline seems premature, and foolish.
 
It’s more that Hersh’s ”expose“ reads like a Tom Clancy novel, with bullshit tech jargon that means nothing, improbable “super divers” and “highly advanced sound triggered bombs”. Frankly, it wouldnt surprise me if Hersh’s article was the propaganda, publishing a sufficiently absurd story that many people end up discounting the idea outright, poisoning the well if you will.

Regardless of that, there’s a decent change it was the US that blew up Nordstream, but crediting this as “fact” based on one article that relies entirely on a single “anonymous source” with apparently extensive knowledge of every part of the supposed operation to blow up the pipeline seems premature, and foolish.
I don't go to Hersh at all. I go to Biden. He said he was going to blow it up and it blew up. That's enough evidence that the US did it.
 
Could substitute NATO for any first-world country with a central bank; NATO (see: The USA) is just one of its enforcers.
 
since when were people such pussies

It doesn't matter whatever self-proclaimed goal an organization of any kind says it has. Its actions only serve to benefit it. Quit moralizing over a soulless system. You know how you might've fucked over a friend because you wanted something petty one time? That's politics on steroids. No group is composed of heroes. People are acting in self-interest. Idealists and true-believers are the first lined up against a wall.
 
No, these are the baddies.

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Can you start blaming capitalism for your fastfood diet again? Or maybe its the niggers who made you fat?
Can you finally take your fucking meds you fucking schizo?

Just because you are a poor fag and can't afford to eat anything other than McDonalds or Wendy's doesn't mean everyone else is. But I have a feeling you just have your mom bring your tendies down into the basement. She can empty your piss and shit buckets while she is down there. Hopefully she slips some of your meds into your tendies. LOL
 
Can you finally take your fucking meds you fucking schizo?

Just because you are a poor fag and can't afford to eat anything other than McDonalds or Wendy's doesn't mean everyone else is. But I have a feeling you just have your mom bring your tendies down into the basement. She can empty your piss and shit buckets while she is down there. Hopefully she slips some of your meds into your tendies. LOL
I don't buy pre-chopped anything. I mostly eat out. It doesn't matter if they are prechopped or not. They are still expensive, and they don't last long. Poor people need food that is cheap filling and will last a long time in storage. You know, between the time when they get their paychecks or bennies.

Also no one is going to sit around and eat only vegetables all the time. Vegetables are usually a side to something else. Food is very expensive now.

People will eat what they can afford. Unfortunately, that is not always healthy.

Obesity is an economic issue. Want to fix the problem? Fix the economy.
Wow its almost like your some fake/troll/glowie account.
 
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