Let's Sperg APAMG: Dream Daddy - A dating sim with surprising moments, but save your $15

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I don't think it was even a last minute decision, I think it was grabbing onto a fan theory and just running with it. If the binder comment was meant to be proof of Damien being trans, it wouldn't be an optional line. I also think they would have been way more open about advertising the fact that the game featured a trans dude in it, because that would get them even more social justice points. The fact that they waited until after the release and only revealed it when a fan asked the question just makes it evident it was never planned in the first place.
 
I don't think it was even a last minute decision, I think it was grabbing onto a fan theory and just running with it. If the binder comment was meant to be proof of Damien being trans, it wouldn't be an optional line. I also think they would have been way more open about advertising the fact that the game featured a trans dude in it, because that would get them even more social justice points. The fact that they waited until after the release and only revealed it when a fan asked the question just makes it evident it was never planned in the first place.

Perhaps your right about that, either way the fact he is supposedly trans isn't handled well in the game. From a story/character perspective Damien being trans doesn't make much sense. We're supposed to believe a woman transitioned to become a feminine man? His friendship with "Cool Youth Minister Dad" Joseph presumably wouldn't be a thing either if Damien was trans. (Though Joseph being a Christian doesn't seem to affect anything either way.)
 
If that turns out to be true then that makes the transphobic accusations and bullying towards that artist even more exceptional than it was. Because that means those chucklefucks are defending a character's so called trans integrity who wasn't intended to be trans in the first place.

You know how Tumblr and SJWs are. They don't think about anything before throwing accusations around. Though the fact that the developers just called some random character trans just because they felt like it is also pretty exceptional.
 
Perhaps your right about that, either way the fact he is supposedly trans isn't handled well in the game. From a story/character perspective Damien being trans doesn't make much sense. We're supposed to believe a woman transitioned to become a feminine man? His friendship with "Cool Youth Minister Dad" Joseph presumably wouldn't be a thing either if Damien was trans. (Though Joseph being a Christian doesn't seem to affect anything either way.)

That's what makes me think it was just a fan theory that became canon after the fact, because it isn't handled or even addressed at all in the actual game. It would naturally come up at some point during one of their dates. It seems like identity is something that is pretty important for him too, which makes it even more glaring that it doesn't come up at all. I mean, isn't his big thing that he thinks you want to leave him when you find out he's not 100% goth and actually has other interests?

If he was really a trans character, and you wanted to go for the pandering social justice points, you'd use that as a point to pivot into his real insecurities, that the "not accepting me as 100% goth" thing is just a metaphor for him being trans. Then you score the social justice slam dunk by having MC end up with him anyway and say it doesn't matter and they see him as a true and honest man etc. This audience would eat that shit up, and you could sell the game to the tumblr crowd on that concept alone. Just imagine how they would react and praise the game for such "deep concepts".
 
Hey, Damien went the whole game without once going "I AM TRANS, HAVE I MENTIONED HOW TRANS I AM?", so that's already a massive improvement over most stuff like this.
 
Hey, Damien went the whole game without once going "I AM TRANS, HAVE I MENTIONED HOW TRANS I AM?", so that's already a massive improvement over most stuff like this.

Again, that just seems like more evidence it was a post launch decision to make him trans, since you just know the writers wouldn't be able to show that much restraint if it was always intended.
 
Alright, voting is now currently closed. With three votes each, Hugo and Joseph are tied for the lead. I used my super awesome secret deciding method (a coin flip) and Joseph won this round. A new poll will be open shortly after this update so voting for the next dad can begin.

Poor Brian. He got no votes.

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We immediately return to the game's tonal inconsistencies with a thud. For the record, I am using my save where Damien would be on his third date, and will probably use that or similar for my loading adventures. Unfortunately, the game is rather heavy on the autosaves, and will hold every single one for you in case you want to use it again. Great for save scumming, sucks for someone like me who's trying to see everything.

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That's twice now Amanda breaks the ice for us. Well okay, we technically messaged Damien first, then Amanda did our response to his response, but still. Keep a counter of how many saves Amanda makes.

Joseph invites us over to bake treats for the church bake sale with him. It's very much like what my mother would invite one over for, as she is quite religious herself and loves baking, and she makes great stuff. If we ever do a Kiwi meet-up, I might have her bake cookies.

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The anchor is a nice touch. Also, we're more worried about dealing with Joseph (a youth minister, not even a priest, as Amanda points out) then we were dealing with Damien. I know the average Tumblr user mixes as well with religion as toilet water mixes with chocolate, but they're not all bad. The church my mom goes to? The priest has a massive beard, piercings, and tattoos all over. And he rides a bike. In other words, be chill, bro!

Box goes on to be very weird, asking Chris who opens the door how the Jeeeeeesus (yes it is that stretched out) is going. Can I please go back to Damien's route? His first date didn't leave me this cringed.

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Joseph thankfully brings us in and I feel myself desperately needing to take full control of the daft bastard I'm playing as so I stop putting my foot in my mouth. Also, with the anchor tattoo, anchor on the house, and all the knick-nacks, who wants to bet Joseph is a former sailor man?

The Twins come in after Joseph makes Chris apologize, and we're given a choice to either egg them on with the "creepy twin schtick" or get to baking. I personally would totally egg them on, but Joseph seems to disapprove so I suggest baking.

Our "actually kinda good" moment comes after a loud crash in the kitchen. Joseph is worried about Christie, and Box considers that "half of fatherhood is keeping your kids from finding creative ways to kill themselves, and he's got four. Talk about worry". Box is not incorrect here.

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Much like with Damien's library, we get a chance to examine a lot of things. However, without Damien I'm not sure if Joseph will appreciate our efforts. Still, I choose the bookshelf. There's travel/adventure mags, some bibles, some romance novels that are Mary's most likely (it's the wine stains, you see..."wine" stains).

The coffee table has a few crosses and a brass sextant, despite zero of this being rendered on the fucking table in the picture.

On the floor, we spy an expensive silver necklace that seems casually tossed aside. Were this LA Noire or an average adventure game, I would consider this a vital piece of information, but this is Dream Daddy, bitch! We don't get anything like that.

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Didn't I tell you to stop reminding me of better games?

In the kitchen itself, Joseph and Christie are having a wonderful time mixing up brownie batter. Joseph proclaims that Christie is so sweet we're gonna have to water her down with spiders. I decide, honorable knight that I am (even though my class says "Wizard") to spoon duel the spider king!

We have fun dueling and trading faux-fairy tale dialogue, before Box gets the upper hand and defeats the spider king. Christie proclaims us to be her hero.

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Hold up, we got a contradiction here. After two dates in any combination, we bake a cake for Amanda, and frost it, implying some ability with baking. In this "timeline", we've already done this. I FOUND A PLOT HOLE! NURSE!

Joseph ends up with a little bit of brownie batter on his nose, and Box uses his thumb to clean it off. And then licks it. Joseph blushes. Also, references have been made to something Christie plays with called a "sparkle pony". I have no idea what it is, I assume it's a Copyright-Safe^TM My Little Pony toy, but you at home can imply all you like.

We go to the bake sale after getting Christie, and Christie rockets off to say hi to mom. Joseph mentions his knees aren't what they used to be, and Box also mentions how Amanda at that age wouldn't sit still for nothin'.

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"Thou shalt not bear false witness", buddy. To his credit, Joseph shrugs after that, and trust me when I say that I'm just grabbing a line about lying and don't know any lines about not speaking up when something wrong is done. I'm sure one of you guys do, but I'm not about to go pouring over my bible for a silly joke.

There's an ice cream machine and Box wonders how we can compete. Joseph says we can, and I express confidence in our ability, which causes a heart fart. Good, this should be easy.

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Mat arrives and asks us how we made them. Box mentally thinks "don't say we used the box". Technically we didn't, we used what we THOUGHT was the box because the box recipe itself went missing thanks to Christie. So I say we improvised. Technically correct. The best kind. Joseph heart farts, and Mat's convinced after Box goes off about how these brownies will not be like any other brownies ever made.

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Brian also arrives, saying he could eat 10 brownies. Box thinks that he must resist the urge to be competitive, and let me tell you Box, these choices are easy to make when you tell me what to say before hand. My pick causes Box to jokingly suggest putting him down for 10, but Brian says just two.

Also, it's worth noting: Part of the update I mentioned earlier was fixing some issues with Daisy's model. She's been rather strange looking and out of place with the rest of the art, turns out it's because they were using shit quality images. So they actually patch issues, meaning this game gets one more point above Revolution 60 (there were also some plot inconsistencies cleared up, but that's mostly in Chapter 1 which I am NOT FUCKING GOING BACK TOO).

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This perhaps explains all those travel mags.


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Craig comes up, and Joseph mentions that he's a hard sell. So I decide to do a bit of tempting, rather than use any old college stories or tell him that you can't spell diet without "die", both of which seem like bad ideas around kids.

Unfortunately, Craig has some Chia Mango pudding at home and the kids have ice cream. Ah well, we tried.

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You're wearing a cross, Mary. You're invited to shut the fuck up.

Joseph and Mary obviously have problems with each other, mostly because Mary seems to be a raging bitch when it comes to religious folks, despite, as I mentioned, the fucking cross necklace. I use a brownie to help make Joseph feel better after getting royally #rekt by Mary, and he likes it at least.

Joseph gives us the last brownie, and I end up giving it to Amanda. I'm keeping that good ending if it fucking kills me.

We get an A rating and are immediately dumped back to Dadbook. Seems like there's no more Amanda scenes, or it's spread out a bit. It works, I guess, it means speed-runners get to see enough Amanda content to be satisfied while completionists don't have to deal with a million scenes between dates. I approve.

Next Time: Joseph Round 2!
 
Hey guys, I couldn't change the poll, so I made this:

https://strawpoll.com/5padxb4r

As before, multiple options are allowed. This time, if Hugo ends up directly tied with someone, he'll just win outright. Let's see if Brian continues to get 0 votes.
 
You should have totally egged the kids on. You get them to quote The Shining and one of the Godzilla vs Mothra movies. Joseph tries to play the stern dad, but is barely holding back his laughter. You then get an option to have the kids say "Something Obscure" or "Something Scary". Something Scary ends up being "They all float down here..." Andy Joseph cracks up laughing. Also the kids pretty much love you after that.
 
I just realized... the religious couple are Joseph and Mary. Do you suppose one of the twins is named Jesus?

I'm enjoying this, by the way. I was surprised that Damien's route didn't end up as cringey as I thought it was going to be, even though he's the one I like the most out of all of them.
 
I just realized... the religious couple are Joseph and Mary. Do you suppose one of the twins is named Jesus?

I'm enjoying this, by the way. I was surprised that Damien's route didn't end up as cringey as I thought it was going to be, even though he's the one I like the most out of all of them.

Actually no, they're all named variations of Chris. All four kids, that is. There's Chris, Christie (the girl twin), Christian (the boy twin), and I can't remember the toddler but it's like, Chrssy or something really stupid. You get introduced to all of them during the BBQ scene but I can't be bothered to remember them all and didn't take pictures of those moments.

Probably the reason for Joseph and Mary being, well, Joseph and Mary is that it's not until the New Testament that you get into some more Anglo-Saxon sounding names and Joseph and Mary are quite literally the first named people in there. Old Testament names are very Jewish sounding and they probably wanted to go more heavily Christian with the names and the religion itself. Judaism is pretty complicated, as I'm sure Danny himself would be happy to tell us. While they probably won't get into the exact sect, Joseph is probably an "insert one of the many looser Protestant faiths here", and I realize now I'm putting way more thought into this then the writers did. I can't tell if they wanted to go for an inversion with naming Mary, well, Mary, or they literally just grabbed the names that even the most ignorant bastard would go "well that's the Bible isn't it?"
 
Hey guys, I worked late tonight, so I'm exhausted. No update today, but I'll make up for it with two updates tomorrow, the second date and the finale date. Please direct all complaints to @Vorhtbame , as they are obviously Box Spooner himself.
 
Yes, please ask me about my floppy pink duck.
 
Alright, I promised two updates. Let's do this shit.

Voting is now closed. Hugo is somehow tied with Brian, meaning he wins. A new poll can be found here: https://strawpoll.com/b82e4cb1

Same rules apply, if Brian is tied for lead again, he wins by default.

Also this is something bothering me, but every time we're looking at the Dadbook screen, the music playing is mixed with something that sounds like a chewing noise. It's really distracting.

Our justification for calling him up is rather weak this time. We see a sale on boxed brownie mix, and decide to send him a message. Turns out he's chaperoning a youth group mixer. Amanda is invited, as are we. Well hey, how bad can it be?

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Okay, nobody being there is weird, but that is one unfortunate banner.

That banner is the result of Ernest, and Joseph has already confided to us that he considers Ernest to be a little shit. I concur. We help him out getting the banner down before anyone sees, because that's a bit of a bad sign in a church.

Ernest stapled and taped the shit out of that banner, so instead, we get the idea to edit it. Between Jesus is Cumin, Jesus Isn't Cuming, and Jesus is Calming, I choose Calming. Joseph appreciates our quick wit and it's technically correct-the best kind of correct. I don't know why we didn't just turn the U into an O, but fuck it. I got a heart fart out of it.

The DJ swings by, and he's a little off, as summed up beautifully by Box:

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At least one person on this writing team has heard of good music.

I skipped past it too quickly, but he actually DOES play Creep. DJ Spinmaster Quinn has some problems, like his now ex-wife. In fact it turns out Box was right on the money with his above quote, as Quinn plays it again. It's actually not bad of a punchline, I at least find it funny. Amanda chimes in with a few lines of her own.

We're given a few options to get the DJ to change things up. I choose "play the booty bumpers, it's what Jesus would have wanted". This gets a heart fart out of Joseph, so I consider it mission accomplished. Joseph also asks who his wife was, and I reply with Sandra, as I read the script. It helps.

With the whole party on a downward slide, even with disasters averted, Box decides he's going to dance to get the party going. I'm not kidding. He even tells Amanda to clear out so she won't see him do it.

We're given several options of classic "Dad" dance moves. What annoys me is we go back to the Dadbook music and not some bumping techno beat, or something crazy. Fuck, put on something by Ninja Sex Party, damnit!

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...Oh yes. Fuck it, I'm save scumming this.

The Dirty Dancing lift goes off without a hitch, however, so nevermind the save scum cause that's what I wanted to do first. Thanks to our efforts, kids start dancing, and Joseph says the rest of the chaperones will take it from here. He has something to show us.

I swear to god if this is the cult ending I'm going to kill someone.

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Hell yes, I am so down.

Joseph and Box discuss problems, and how Margarita Zone is only a temporary ignoring of problems. Box chimes in with maybe it's not about finding the impossible ideal of Margaritaville, but the small, little "zones" we can find throughout the day. Pleasure in the small things, basically. Both Box and Joseph lean in a little closer to each other, before Joseph decides it's late and we should get going. We return to the cul-de-sac after making sure the dance goes by without incident.

Amanda has a tummy ache from all the food, and we retire to bed because everything hurts from the dancing. Moving on to Date 3!
 
We get an extra scene before returning to Dadbook, it seems.

We head to the bar, and we see Mary sitting alone, nursing a cocktail. Box wonders if it's because of him. I decide, asshole that I am, to say hi.

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Is it too late to go back on the Damien path and make her like me more with his third date?

We talk back and forth, Mary says we're not Joseph's type, and she walks out. I feel like maybe I should have been a bit more aggressive and told her it doesn't take an expert to see the two of them are miserable, but eh. We'll see how this all plays out in the end, with the third date.

Joseph invites us, and we get invited to head out on the open ocean. Apparently Joseph owns a yacht...WAIT, WHAT?! Box and Amanda are as surprised as I am.

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Joseph is a bit goofy, and he seems way too into the whole 'going off onto the ocean' thing. I make a joke about bringing my "Neptuning Fork" for our wrestling with Neptune, and he appreciates the pun.

Joseph wishes he could get out more, and I get the feeling I'm about to play marriage counselor. The cobbler's children have no shoes, and the guy who does marriage counseling (Joseph mentioned he does that to the DJ from last time) can't keep his own together, it seems.

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Fun fact: Dolphins will rape anything. Including Box.

Once we're out in the open ocean, we do some quiet contemplation. And then Box gets thinking, and I want to stop him:

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Box, you are not about to become the other woman. For one, you don't look nearly as good in a dress.

Before we can talk about Mary, there's a small engine problem, in that we run out of gas. Wonderful. So here we are, on the ocean, on a rather large yacht, with a man that Box is quite clearly gay as fuck for. This is a plan without a hint of problems or possibility of failure!

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We're brought to a radio and told to Macguyver it. This...is bad. It's a puzzle with no steps and no instructions. I am so cheating on this one.

Apparently if you just throw everything in, it'll work. We go down below to grab some wine, and get to examine his yacht's interior. Place is pretty well lived in, it might just be his second home...I mean, you can stop hinting at the marital problems, game. We know.

I talk about the view from the Yacht after pouring some wine, and Joseph says there's something prettier right in front of him. Sorry game, the compliments don't work when I know he's married. Even if it is going poorly.

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We get some potential names for our own Yacht, if we ever got one. I know this game's trick, so I pick Fuck You, Whales. We talk a bit more, and then Joseph drops a bombshell.

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Is this because of natural character development when we've only had maybe an hour of real time with Joseph? Or is it because the writers wanted to present a situation where we "save" Joseph from an unhappy marriage? YOU DECIDE!

It turns out Joseph's been living on the boat, and it's been agreed upon that their marriage is unsalvageable. Considering we see a much happier Mary in Damien's path, where she's working at the animal shelter, I disagree with this. Continuity is a BITCH, ain't it?

Joseph sees the silver lining, in that now he can focus on himself, and he needs someone who will be there for him. Someone nice, and honest. And Joseph really needs to stop talking in awful romance novel terms.

We manage to get the Coast Guard on the horn just before we kiss. The Coast Guard asks if we're going to, despite the fact that he'd have no way of knowing that unless Joseph had his ass on the send button this whole fucking time. I swear, if I wasn't in it for the long haul, I'd be ditching this game right about now...

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...FUCK THIS GAME!

The Coast Guard-the FUCKING Coast Guard-says they'll pick us up in the morning, since it seems like we have some stuff to work out. They don't return our radio calls either. I'm pretty sure that would get them all hauled in front of their superiors and chewed the fuck out.

Joseph and Box start passionately kissing, then he picks Box up and takes us below deck. He says there's lots of time to kill, and we immediately cut to black. I think they were talking about sex. Lots of sex.

The next scene has us rescued by the Coast Guard, and we return home to Amanda after our adventure.

So, Epilogue differences:

-Damien is in Goth outfit instead of his IT clothes, which probably holds true for any ending. Joseph is also in normal clothes.

-We have a brief chat with Mary. There's no yelling, but she understandably doesn't want to talk, at least at first.

-Damien and Lucian thank us for the invite, and Damien still talks like a Victorian gentleman. In Damien's route, Joseph and Mary had a different quick conversation with us.

-The final scene is us and Joseph, as you can guess. And it requires special attention.

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Once again, FUCK THIS GAME.

Joseph doesn't say it, but he heavily implies and gets as close as he can to saying we can continue our affair. Adultery is a sin, buddy. I like to imagine my Box breaking things off and going back to Damien after this timeline, because I'm really not into the whole cheating thing, and fuck this guy for thinking he can have me as a side dish.

You know what, fuck this whole route. It ends up really unsatisfying, depending on your personal preference for unfaithfulness, and Joseph's route isn't nearly as well written as Damien's. The idea of finding small pleasures in the chaos of life is a good lesson, sure, but in the end, it feels like taking this route has opened more wounds then it would heal, and we don't know any more about Joseph at the end then we did at the beginning. Everything ends up back at Square One, without any massive changes. Damien had a real emotional vulnerability at the end, where he was flat out expecting us to drop him, but Joseph never gets that. In the end, it's just unsatisfying.

And for one final kick in the balls, I got A on the first two and B on the third date, which apparently doesn't get me the picture. But have it anyway, because I have my sources:

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Also, someone on the wiki mentioned he looks a bit like Soldier 76's Strike Commander Morrison skin. That's an insult to Jack, buddy.

Next Time: Hugo Vera!
 
The quality of the picture compared to the character art is rather bad.
Guess that's symbolic for how disappointing Joseph's route was.
 
So, by view count, we are now slightly more popular than @Jaimas's Darkest Dungeon Part 3. I could be playing Warframe, or Dungeons of Dredmor, or literally anything else. Well, we're two down and five to go, and it only looks tough now.

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Didn't we just do this on Joseph's second date? Oh wait, that didn't exist in this timeline. So we can't wow the middle schoolers with our wild dance skills.

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Preach on, sister.

Box says the Ocean makes him nervous, and I have to give it to the writers, that's a bit of characterization they actually remembered! Sure I saw it in Joseph's route first, but fuck it, someone remembered it!...Or it's just a happy coincidence because they have to make your character afraid of fucking everything.

We head to the aquarium, and we're in charge of ten kids. Shouldn't be too hard. I was in a team of three working to take care of about 20 kids at Summer Stage once, so this shouldn't be too tough.

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But he told the kids it was for a grade, which means they'll do it. I love this guy already.

Hugo actually knows a lot about tropical fish, and Box decides to try and impress him. Rather then trust my gut instincts, at this point, I decide to cheat. Hello walkthroughs, yes we have them already. I point to a Blue Nosed wigglyfish. We then lead into political fish trivia (this fish openly supports legalized marijuana), and finally reveal that we're pulling his leg. He likes our choices.

We then move to another room, which is one of those aquariums where you probably walk through a tube and see it all swimming around you if the description is to be believed. Hugo is lost in staring up at the marine life, and we join him, saying we can learn a lot from mother ocean-Hugo is a bit reserved, so it's better to play to his interests then try to be forward. Plus the other two options are both 'romantic' (two sharks kissing and "I'd rather stare at you"), meaning the odd one out works again.

Telling you guys, gameplay hot tip, if an option seems to be odd man out, go for it.

Hugo spies a girl with a dripping wet backpack. We decide to play bad cop to his good cop, which is hilarious considering how Box looks, you've all seen him by now.

Some more chatting happens, we see a male seahorse giving birth, and then this:

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Alright everyone, who thinks this is going to be the big "point" of this route? Damien had "find your identity", Joseph had "little happy moments", and now Hugo has "always be seeking".

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Who's that asshole with the penguin and penguin waifu avatar? Get him in here.

This leads into a penguin minigame. Every route has one it seems, best get ours over with.

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We have to fire hands at penguins to stop them escaping. The best way to do it is to just fire as fast as the game lets you and hold them off until "Bribe that Teen!" comes up-we have to bribe the girl to get her to come with us and abandon the whole "let the penguins free" thing. I manage it with only 1 penguin escaping, because as soon as the teen gets the cash, we are unable to fire any more shots but the penguins keep coming. Assholes.

We wrap things up at the aquarium and Hugo asks us if we like cheese boards. Cheese is great and I say as much, even without the guide telling me that I should be enthusiastic. We then return home.

The date results screen gives us the voice line (oh by the way, there's some voice lines in here, they're okay) "I'm J.K. Rolling with delight" in the most bored tone I've ever heard. I regret the S rank now.

Next Time: Hugo Date 2!
 
I actually do know what Hugo's route leads to, and all I'll say is it should be entertaining to see your reaction.

And are you talking about @Chubby_Penguin?
 
I actually do know what Hugo's route leads to, and all I'll say is it should be entertaining to see your reaction.

And are you talking about @Chubby_Penguin?

Nah, see, there was a news story about a penguin in a zoo and the zoo put in an anime penguin waifu, and the penguin just stared at it all day, and someone made an avi out of it. I forget who, though.
 
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