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Basic training without yelling: Army recruits get 2nd chance
Associated Press (archive.ph)
By Lolita C. Baldor
2023-03-29 04:07:34GMT

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FILE - Chief of Staff of the Army Gen. James McConville left, listens to Daysia Holiday, a student in the Future Soldier Prep Course, right, at Fort Jackson in Columbia, S.C. Aug. 26, 2022. (AP Photo/Sean Rayford, File)
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FILE - Students in the new Army Prep Course sit at desks at Fort Jackson in Columbia, S.C., Aug. 26, 2022. (AP Photo/Sean Rayford, File)

WASHINGTON (AP) — Last August, Daysia Holiday decided to try one more time to join the Army.

She’d taken the academic test and failed three times. So, when she was offered a slot in a new Army prep course to help improve her scores and qualify for basic training, she jumped at the chance.

Seven months later, Pvt. 2nd Class Holiday is a proud graduate of Army basic training, and is finishing her advanced instruction at Fort Lee, Virginia, to become a power generation specialist who will maintain engines and other equipment for the service.

Holiday is an early beneficiary of the new program, which gives lower-performing recruits up to 90 days of academic or fitness instruction to help them meet military standards. In place for only eight months, it is already making a significant difference for both the Army and those who want to serve in it.

So far, 5,400 soldiers have made it through the prep course since it started in August at Fort Jackson, South Carolina. That’s an important boost since the Army fell dramatically short of its recruiting goals last year, due to low unemployment and general wariness about military service. And at least one other military service, the Navy, took notice and is setting up a similar course.

For those who make it through the program, it can be life-changing. Holiday, 23, said many of her peers in her hometown of Baton Rouge, Louisiana, didn’t make it out of high school, with some “dead or in jail.” Sitting outside the class building in her Army fatigues last summer, she talked about trying to pass the academic test for two years with no success.

She said she wanted to set an example, especially for her younger siblings. The prep course gave her a second chance. She raised her academic score by more than 20 points.

The course, she said, was like “basic training without the yelling.” It also allowed her to bond with fellow students. “We helped each other out throughout basic training, so it was easy,” she said. “All of us actually passed, so it was a good experience. And we all keep in touch.”

Army leaders say the program — it involves classroom instruction and training ranging from how to wear the uniform and properly make a bed to fitness and discipline — gives recruits like Holiday an advantage.

“I think an interesting thing we’ve seen is that the kids coming out of that course, who go into basic, actually seem to have a little bit of a leg up,” said Army Secretary Christine Wormuth. “During basic training, certain young individuals who show a little bit more leadership skills than others get selected to have leadership positions. And what we’re seeing is the kids coming out of the prep course are often the ones who are being chosen for that.”

As of March 17, nearly 8,400 people had been admitted to the prep course and more than 5,400 had graduated and gone on to basic training. Army Lt. Col. Randy Ready, spokesman for the Army Center for Initial Military Training, said about 6% of those recruits don’t make it through basic and advanced individual training, about the same attrition rate as for those who don’t go through the prep course.

Ready said almost 4,000 of the graduates were in the academic track and about 1,400 were in the fitness track. Students in the academic program increased their test scores by an average of 19 points, he said.

“It has been largely very, very successful,” said Maj. Gen. Johnny Davis, head of Army Recruiting Command, adding that students who go through the prep course come out more prepared. “It instills a level of positively and confidence in those future soldiers.”

Gen. James McConville, Army chief of staff, told a House committee on Tuesday that students in the program are improving their academic scores and losing 4% to 6% of their body fat.

“We’re really giving them discipline,” he said. “They’re getting in shape. We’re giving them a head start. So when going into initial military training, where they were at the lowest category, they’re actually excelling and in some ways exceeding the standards — becoming the student leaders.”

Once in the program, recruits are tested every week. And every three weeks they can move into basic training if they pass the military’s academic test — the Armed Services Voluntary Aptitude Battery — or if they meet the physical standards. If they don’t pass or meet the standards after the first three weeks, they can stay on and keep testing for up to 90 days, but they have to leave the Army if they haven’t succeeded by then.

Army leaders initially thought they might open as many as four locations for the prep course, but they haven’t seen the need. Instead, they doubled the capacity at Fort Jackson and created a smaller, similar program at Fort Benning, Georgia, which gives young soldiers a chance to raise their academic scores if they want to qualify for higher-skilled jobs or bonuses.

The program got the Navy’s attention. Late last November, Navy Capt. Frank Brown and several others visited Fort Jackson, and as a result will open a new sailor fitness prep course next month. Brown said recruits who are 6% above the body composition requirements will take a three-week fitness course, and can repeat it for up to 90 days to meet the standards and go on to boot camp.

Brown, the director of operations for training at Naval Station Great Lakes in Illinois, said 60 to 80 recruits will start the course on April 10. He said the Navy is also planning a pilot program for an academic course, likely this summer, to allow lower-scoring recruits to improve so they can qualify for higher-skilled jobs.

Air Force officials said they haven’t ruled out doing a prep program, but are currently using other ways to boost recruiting.

“We are focusing our efforts on eliminating unnecessary or outdated policy barriers to recruiting, adapting our outreach strategy, and adjusting our recruiting approach” to better reach potential recruits, said Maj. Gen. Ed Thomas, commander of the Air Force Recruiting Service.

As for Holiday, when she graduates Wednesday she will head to her first post, in Fort Carson, Colorado. “I’m very much glad that I did it,” she said. “It’s been a good journey for me.”

And she’s got bigger ambitions.

“I still want to try to do the Green Beret (course),” she said. “And, I want to do other courses — airborne and stuff like that. And I want to also try to become an officer as well.”
 
It is admirable that people are trying to succeed. It is not valued to lower the knowledge needed to perform in roles. It is like dilution of fine alcohol. There is more but the quality is diminished.
 
This will improve our military strength I am sure.

Unironically yes.
This is lol worthy, but only in that society is crumbling so hard that it is necessary.

The army has brought Fat Camp in and out of existence over the years, and they've done various "Educate the Mongs" pilot programs as well. The army attracts people from all over, and the number of people who show up to basic without rudimentary life skills and need them taught by a man with a smokey bear hat is astounding.
We had one guy in another platoon who didn't know how to shower, literally didn't process the concept, and had to be observed and instructed by DS to wash his ass properly. Which a single person isn't all much, but that's nearly a 1% of the company. There are 300 million people in America, and 1% is three million. Just meditate on that.

You don't need to be a brilliant mind or physical paragon to be an 11-series, and given the 'distruption of the school to prison pipeline' programs that are ensuring niggers of all skintones don't actually learn anything in highschool, this is a sadly necessary thing. And the fact these mutants will show up to basic in some level of shape, already with rudimentary understanding, will only be a boon to the people in their BCT class who would otherwise get collectively punished when these retards fucked up.


I fully support this program if for no reason other than that it gets niggers off the street for upto 90 days at a lower per-head cost than prison.

Society has crumbled to the point where a significant percentage of highschool graduates no longer meet the ridiculously low standard needed to start Basic Training, and this is a reasonable reaction to that since the only other alternative is a coup & junta.

And before any jokers start:
Crayon Culinary courses aren't included because that's the Marines. This is the army, and I'm sure advanced level theft is covered.
 
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Damn, Somalia's military is looking pretty shit... oh wait, it's Americanda's military. Take what you need China, Russia etc; because Americanda winning anything just means more Jewish control and Niggers walking around the earth - which is bad for ALL.
 
On its face it sounds like a program to help the crabs that try to escape the bucket. It sounds like its pulling the rats out of the hood for 3 months to see if they can wring the ghetto out of them. I just have so little faith in how our government operates that I'm certain this is just to push unqualified diversity. They seem to have a "leg up" because the politicians in the upper brass want their DIE score to rise.
 
You can fail the ASVAB? I did not know that was possible I thought if you score low only the marines was available because it's a damn vocational aptitude test.

 
By failing the ASVAB, I assume they couldn't score the minimum required for Motor Pool or Infantry - the two jobs that require something like a 40% in ONE SINGLE SECTION of the ASVAB. (Technically I think there's one lower requirement like a seamstress or something, but I think it's just a meme job that doesn't exist any more - Army guys I used to work with would joke about it).

Like how fucking dense.

Anyway, I'm sure Daysia will make a great officer some day (should've joined the Nave cause they'll waive the degree requirement for LDOs...or hell, maybe the Army will too since they're so fucked).
 
Fail the asvab? Is that possible? I haven’t paid attention to news about such things, did they make it harder? I am in my mid 30s and when they did asvab day or whatever the test they gave us in public school for recruiting purposes, I remember it being a waste of time and unbelievably easy. I don’t remember why or if it was optional, I just remember taking it in the auditorium and spending most of the period screwing around because I breezed through it. I wasn't a star student or anything, I just found it easy.
 
You must have the IQ of a houseplant to fail those entry tests. How could you even find your way to the testing centre if you are too retarded to even be cannon fodder dying for Israel?
 
You must have the IQ of a houseplant to fail those entry tests. How could you even find your way to the testing centre if you are too retarded to even be cannon fodder dying for Israel?

Having dealt with more recent graduates of the public education system, especially schools with high melanin:
They do no teach the kids anything. They certainly don't teach kids how to test. The only thing kids learn is how to not be a complete poop-flinging retard for 30 minutes at a stretch, and all about gay sex. They are coddled or ignored (the coddling supports the neglect; keep them docile enough they are only disruptive and not violent) and when they don't know how to do something instead of being taught how to do it, the teacher files an accommodation request for them.
Feeling a little anxious about the test? Ok you can take it home and do it there with google's help. Hard time reading long words? Don't worry honey your essays are now graded by the special ed teachers.

So yeah, I can see someone of normal mental ability being sat in the ASVAB center and managing to fail simply because they've never done this shit before and no one bothered to teach them anything other than rap lyrics and how to have buttsex. They are used to just being able to say how stressed they are and having their head patted and given their participation ribbon, and that not working or making the bad thing go away is a system shock.
It used to be that even an associates degree weeded out these types, but now you can't even trust a bachelors degree.
 
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You don't need to be a brilliant mind or physical paragon to be an 11-series, and given the 'distruption of the school to prison pipeline' programs that are ensuring niggers of all skintones don't actually learn anything in highschool, this is a sadly necessary thing. And the fact these mutants will show up to basic in some level of shape, already with rudimentary understanding, will only be a boon to the people in their BCT class who would otherwise get collectively punished when these retards fucked up.
I couldn't agree more. It's easy to forget that the military is first and foremost a career. I don't understand why people are shitting on a program like this; imagine if every job gave you free training for 90 days beforehand, with the only consequence for failure being not getting the job. You bet your ass that every single job would be filled with people that are not only more qualified to do the work, but genuinely enjoy what they do.
 
By failing the ASVAB, I assume they couldn't score the minimum required for Motor Pool or Infantry - the two jobs that require something like a 40% in ONE SINGLE SECTION of the ASVAB. (Technically I think there's one lower requirement like a seamstress or something, but I think it's just a meme job that doesn't exist any more - Army guys I used to work with would joke about it).

( this from my own shitty memory so details might be wrong or muddled)
As I rememebr from the "who is the dumbest mother fuckers in the army" discussions...
Seamstress - the person who sews the name tags for uniforms - is still an MOS (or was last time I checked which was a while ago) and has the lowest combined ASVAB for any entry-level MOS. It is essentially the Army Band of MOS's as I think there are like 12 of them in some facility in Virginia. I read an article about it, and the person being interviewed said they mainly did quality control because the machines were all automated - occasionally they got some long ass name and had to manually type-set it for the machine.

I can't remember the name for "nametag sewing" MOS, but it had a lower combined ASVAB than Infantry, but it was combined from a smaller pool - 3 instead for 4 scores IIRC. So you could be dumber over all than a grunt, but you had to be smarter in a target set.

Sex rules indeed Army posters littered across the classroom, don't need to tell me that.

I saw those too. The Army really has changed, we didn't need posters to tell us that.
But see my earlier comment about people not having basic life skills or understandings.
 
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