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the folly of man is that we will create something that can drive away a literal plague to our species and the fools will reject it because it sounds scary.

anyways, i wonder how pediatricians and clinic nurses are handling this. i feel terrible for them because they must be having to deal with loads of mummies who make them out to be cold-blooded autism gatekeepers.

edit: i just remembered a short conversation i had with my mom about anti-vaxxers. she made sure i got all my shots, including update shots before i enrolled to college, but she's not totally sure about how safe vaccines are in the long run, which is a valid concern. the thing is that not even the professionals know if there will be any health concerns that'll crop up from vaccinations in the years to come, but that's just how all science is. it's literally just "intelligent guess: the game". and if it turns out vaccines could cause health problems, then the doctors and nurses will be just as upset as the patients, if not even more because they caused suffering without meaning to.
 
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Vaccines, like any medication, surgery, treatment carry an inherent risk. Anyone who sells you a medication, over the counter or otherwise, and tells you it carries no risk is fucking lying to you. You could pop the most risk-free medication in the world and have a rare allergy towards it. Your throat closes up and you die. 99.999% of people will never experience that reaction. You go in for routine pulling of your wisdom teeth. Your body has a genetic hypersensitivity to anesthesia. Even a little bit kills you. Guess what? You are getting wheeled out of that dentist's office on a stretcher.

This happens. It doesn't mean the treatment is defective, it just means that there is a huge genetic variability in humanity and it is impossible to predict how people will react to it. Every one of us has different tolerances to every single drug out there. Some drugs just will not work for people. At all. I knew people who took gram doses of aspirin and it wouldn't relieve their pain (a typical dose is 325 mg, so 4-5 tablets). But they pop two Tylenol and its all good. Does it mean aspirin is shit? No, it is shit for them. And maybe a new treatment is bad, but we don't find out because the way something works in labs and trials is different when exposed to humanity. I know all this has been talked to death before in this thread, but its a fundamental misunderstanding of just how medicine works and it is frustrating. And of course, the dangers of not vaccinating are lowering herd immunity, which is why you see all these outbreaks of diseases that shouldn't be around.

And of course, these people memorize the laundry list of medical terms and things that have 'gone wrong' with vaccines into the past. You want me to make a drug sound terrifying? Here. This drug creates a psychological and physiological dependence on it. Without it, users experience decreased cognitive function, it increases intracranial pressure and results in erratic, unpredictable mood swings. Ingestion of large amounts results in central nervous intoxication, in which excess neuro-transmitter as a result is discharged through the synapses. It results in uncontrollable muscle movements, arrhythmia, psycho-motor agitation and tachycardia. In normal doses, it is implicated in cancer, heart disease and arterial stiffness. Normal consumption can result in death to those with impaired livers. In powdered form, its lethal dose is less than fifteen milligrams.

Guess what, its fucking caffeine. Through use of big-words and medical jargon, you can make anything sound like Zyklon B. Its what hucksters and snake-oil salesmen have been doing for centuries. These moms find anti-vaxx websites and freak the fuck out after they type all this shit into Wikipedia. They pull up scientific studies and read through them with 0 training and no idea how to properly analyze a paper and think they are the Sherlock of medicine. That's when they fall into these 'natural cures' and 'natural vaccinations' traps that sell them expensive supplements made in China which have tons of heavy metals and god knows what else in them before giving them to their kids. Yeah, Cyanide is natural too, but I wouldn't fucking eat it either.
 
Secret Asshole said:
Vaccines, like any medication, surgery, treatment carry an inherent risk. Anyone who sells you a medication, over the counter or otherwise, and tells you it carries no risk is fucking lying to you. You could pop the most risk-free medication in the world and have a rare allergy towards it. Your throat closes up and you die. 99.999% of people will never experience that reaction. You go in for routine pulling of your wisdom teeth. Your body has a genetic hypersensitivity to anesthesia. Even a little bit kills you. Guess what? You are getting wheeled out of that dentist's office on a stretcher.

This happens. It doesn't mean the treatment is defective, it just means that there is a huge genetic variability in humanity and it is impossible to predict how people will react to it. Every one of us has different tolerances to every single drug out there. Some drugs just will not work for people. At all. I knew people who took gram doses of aspirin and it wouldn't relieve their pain (a typical dose is 325 mg, so 4-5 tablets). But they pop two Tylenol and its all good. Does it mean aspirin is shit? No, it is shit for them. And maybe a new treatment is bad, but we don't find out because the way something works in labs and trials is different when exposed to humanity. I know all this has been talked to death before in this thread, but its a fundamental misunderstanding of just how medicine works and it is frustrating. And of course, the dangers of not vaccinating are lowering herd immunity, which is why you see all these outbreaks of diseases that shouldn't be around.

And of course, these people memorize the laundry list of medical terms and things that have 'gone wrong' with vaccines into the past. You want me to make a drug sound terrifying? Here. This drug creates a psychological and physiological dependence on it. Without it, users experience decreased cognitive function, it increases intracranial pressure and results in erratic, unpredictable mood swings. Ingestion of large amounts results in central nervous intoxication, in which excess neuro-transmitter as a result is discharged through the synapses. It results in uncontrollable muscle movements, arrhythmia, psycho-motor agitation and tachycardia. In normal doses, it is implicated in cancer, heart disease and arterial stiffness. Normal consumption can result in death to those with impaired livers. In powdered form, its lethal dose is less than fifteen milligrams.

Guess what, its fucking caffeine. Through use of big-words and medical jargon, you can make anything sound like Zyklon B. Its what hucksters and snake-oil salesmen have been doing for centuries. These moms find anti-vaxx websites and freak the fuck out after they type all this shit into Wikipedia. They pull up scientific studies and read through them with 0 training and no idea how to properly analyze a paper and think they are the Sherlock of medicine. That's when they fall into these 'natural cures' and 'natural vaccinations' traps that sell them expensive supplements made in China which have tons of heavy metals and god knows what else in them before giving them to their kids. Yeah, Cyanide is natural too, but I wouldn't fucking eat it either.
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I understand that Dihydrogen Monoxide kills thousands every year.
 
Secret Asshole said:
These moms find anti-vaxx websites and freak the fuck out after they type all this shit into Wikipedia. They pull up scientific studies and read through them with 0 training and no idea how to properly analyze a paper and think they are the Sherlock of medicine.
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Some narcissism is probably involved with anti-vaxxers, given that they not only denigrate the efforts medical officials go to but often distrust them too. Instead, they believe they (and only they) have all of the answers.

Given their distrust, it's a wonder why anti-vaxxers go to doctors' offices at all when they do.
 
IwegalBadnik said:
Some narcissism is probably involved with anti-vaxxers, given that they not only denigrate the efforts medical officials go to but often distrust them too. Instead, they believe they (and only they) have all of the answers.

Given their distrust, it's a wonder why anti-vaxxers go to doctors' offices at all when they do.
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Surprised there isn't some sort of anti-medical movement already and these people would rather go back to the days of bloodletting!
 
Trilby said:
Surprised there isn't some sort of anti-medical movement already and these people would rather go back to the days of bloodletting!
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I think the absence (or at least rarity) of such individuals is testament to the factual bankruptcy of their ideas.

Plenty of those who choose not to go to the doctor's office--paranoid over medicine's intentions--take the field trip to the mortuary instead.
 
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Ginger Piglet said:
TRUE AND HONEST doctor protests screening of Vaxxed, screening organiser chimps out at him:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/hea...ged-bodies-after-controversial-film-screening

"YOU COME AND SEE THE RAVAGED BODIES!" Yeah, because her children having the 'tism is worse than poor rural kids dying of preventable illnesses isn't it. You cunt.
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They should come up with some kind of aerosolized multi-vaccine and then have a cropduster rain it down anywhere these fuckwads gather. Just treat them like the moronic livestock they are.
 
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