Anti-Vax Movement

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The Great Chandler said:
Honestly I think this is a more minor thing from Trump considering there's more bigger issues to fry through, but it does seem scary.
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The vaccination situation, given its ultimate ramifications, is still a very important world health issue.

Weakness on pressing the importance of this issue is what has led to it being as widespread as it is. People who tolerated the entry of children into schools and other similar institutions without vaccinations are the ones who have normalized the practice by not enforcing the rules. Their freezing at the switch has left a precedent for others to respond with similar inaction.

Shokew said:
*sigh* I can't wait for it to be made law that you must get vaccinated when things get desperate enough. Too bad that's gonna be a pipe dream for a LOOOOONG-ass time, since Trump doesn't believe in saving lives like most really smart people do. Just one of many reasons why I have such low expectations, going forward. We can't bring back jobs and shit to sick people who refuse to take care of themselves properly.
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Call me harsh, but for people who insist on refusing to listen to doctors about medical matters, I really don't care too much about what happens to them. If they wish to tread a tightrope and run along without shots praying no preventable disease comes along to smite them, so be it. "Freedom" and all that.

My concern is focused on the people that have sought to do the right thing or are too young to preside over their own wellness. Unfortunately, because anti-vaxxers walk among people who could be vulnerable, it is almost impossible to act to ensure the safety of such persons.

That is the problem with anti-vaxxers. Walking among the general public, they pose a threat to public health that is difficult to combat. Inaction isn't a viable choice.
 
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IwegalBadnik said:
The vaccination situation, given its ultimate ramifications, is still a very important world health issue.

Weakness on pressing the importance of this issue is what has led to it being as widespread as it is. People who tolerated the entry of children into schools and other similar institutions without vaccinations are the ones who have normalized the practice by not enforcing the rules. Their freezing at the switch has left a precedent for others to respond with similar inaction.



Call me harsh, but for people who insist on refusing to listen to doctors about medical matters, I really don't care too much about what happens to them. If they wish to tread a tightrope and run along without shots praying no preventable disease comes along to smite them, so be it. "Freedom" and all that.

My concern is focused on the people that have sought to do the right thing or are too young to preside over their own wellness. Unfortunately, because anti-vaxxers walk among people who could be vulnerable, it is almost impossible to act to ensure the safety of such persons.

That is the problem with anti-vaxxers. Walking among the general public, they pose a threat to public health that is difficult to combat. Inaction isn't a viable choice.
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I don't know if this is controversial or not, but refusing to vaccinate your child when there's nothing preventing you from doing so should be cause for CPS seizing them. Kids are removed for much less.
 
I'm surprised a lot of Tumbr users are also anti-vaxxers. I mean, if they were vaccinated, they'd be unwillingly penetrated (with a needle) by someone, and be able to cry rape more.

Then again "smallpox free privilege" might be a thing...
 
Would it be morally wrong to come up with scams to take these people's money? I mean, at least I'll spend it on beer instead of growing any real antivax anything. So really I'd be helping the world by keeping that money away from real groups, right?
 
New Law: You DO NOT get the choice whether or not your kids get vaccinated. If someone is going to cry "muh freedums, muh big government" I could really care less. I mean what are they going to do? Have a armed rebellion against the USA? LOL

Your freedom ends when it can harm another human being, and not getting your kids vaccinated has that potential.
 
ZeCommissar said:
New Law: You DO NOT get the choice whether or not your kids get vaccinated. If someone is going to cry "muh freedums, muh big government" I could really care less. I mean what are they going to do? Have a armed rebellion against the USA? LOL

Your freedom ends when it can harm another human being, and not getting your kids vaccinated has that potential.
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You put it exactly to the point!
 
ZeCommissar said:
New Law: You DO NOT get the choice whether or not your kids get vaccinated. If someone is going to cry "muh freedums, muh big government" I could really care less. I mean what are they going to do? Have a armed rebellion against the USA? LOL

Your freedom ends when it can harm another human being, and not getting your kids vaccinated has that potential.
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Such a requirement could probably be rationalized under the General Welfare clause as something done in the name of the common good. (Just as something like Epi-Pens could (theoretically) be seized under the pretext of eminent domain.)

That said, it would undoubtedly head to SCOTUS.
 
Antivaxxers would not piss me off as much if they were choosing not to vaccinate themselves but oh no no they do it to their kids instead.

They don't give a flying shit that their diseased kids might infect an immunosuppressed kid who JUST got into remission for cancer and now that kid will die of something preventable. Dumbass antivaxxers need to get thrown in jail for murder if tha thappens because their choice caused a death. It's neglect.
 
IwegalBadnik said:
Eh, not every anti-vaxxer is a trendy lefty (though some are in that neck of the woods). Anti-vaxxers seem collected less along the political left, right or center but under the average IQ line.

Minus some grifters like Wakefield, most of the anti-vaxxers I have seen are rather naive or--to be blunt--stupid. The tie-in to politics is limited to the fact that again appears to be a fringe bit.
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It seems like a decent portion of them are Christian Fundamentalists. A lot of Christian Fundies tend to buy into naturalist woo nonsense too.
 
SPARKLETWAT said:
Antivaxxers would not piss me off as much if they were choosing not to vaccinate themselves but oh no no they do it to their kids instead.

They don't give a flying shit that their diseased kids might infect an immunosuppressed kid who JUST got into remission for cancer and now that kid will die of something preventable. Dumbass antivaxxers need to get thrown in jail for murder if tha thappens because their choice caused a death. It's neglect.
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Ties back to this:

Chuggernaut said:
http://www.king5.com/story/news/health/2015/07/02/clallam-county-measles-death/29622875/
A woman died of the measles here in Washington today. She was on medication that suppressed her immune response, which means that her vaccinations weren't going to protect her. Guess how she got exposed in the first place? A carrier in a waiting room.

This is why vaccination is important. If the carrier had been vaccinated, this woman would be alive today.
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IwegalBadnik said:
To the anti-vaxxers, that carrier's supposed right to not get vaccinations trumped that woman's right to live.
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The sort of situation you are talking about in theory has already happened at least once, and probably many other times too.

Steve Mayers said:
It seems like a decent portion of them are Christian Fundamentalists. A lot of Christian Fundies tend to buy into naturalist woo nonsense too.
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I would posit fundamentalists would fall into such vein in part due to their commitment to rejecting science.
 
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Anti-Vaxxeers are people who transcend political lines, and lie in a horseshoe of retardation. You're either a religious fundie, or alternative medicine hippies.
 
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Most of the anti-vaxxers seem like paranoiacs to me, same with the "anti-psychiatric drugs" movement; they should be way more worried about obesity, lack of exercise, and 'legal' drugs like alcohol and tobacco in the average American's lifestyle causing illnesses than a silly vaccine or prescription drug.

But for that matter the 'pro-vaccine' counter-hysteria seems just as rubbish; considering half of the militant 'pro-vaccine' folks are progressives who are okay with promoting obesity in children under the guise of "fat acceptance" and injecting kids with hormones and removing their genitals if they "feel like" a woman, yet on this vaccine issue all of a sudden they claim to "care about children".

Fun fact though, only reason we need vaccines in the modern West is because of all the diseases we created via industrialization; this is why the Native Americans never died from diseases until Europeans brought them over there (since they contracted them from living in dirty cities).
 
Male Idiot said:
How does industry make diseases? I do not follow.
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it's just close human contact with a larger number of strangers. that, and rats/fleas, etc.

if you only see three people a week, that's a lot less exposure to infectious material than if you walk past a hundred people a week. it's more urbanization than industrialisation.
 
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