Anti-Vax Movement

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Move this thread to Deep Thoughts

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Rou said:
Worst I saw was that they weren't even arguing over it being a public health issue, but over fucking political reasons. "It's my choice the government shouldn't tell me what to do." Which is fine, as long as they accept that they should stay under house arrest where their delusions of that everything they do only affects them and no one else works. And if I tried telling them about how they were just acting as vectors for disease, they would just spout "muh herd immunity". Fortunately, I doubt they were parents because it was /pol/.
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We've actually fallen below the threshold for herd immunity for stuff like measles.

Although if /pol/ wants to forego vaccines I have no problem with it...yeah it might put the rest of us at risk but yolo
 
IwegalBadnik said:
This is probably in or close to A-Log territory...
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Why yes, yes it is. The thread hasn't had anything funny about the Anti-Vaxx movement this whole year, the discussion seems to be mostly on the level of a Deep Thoughts thread in terms of comedy but so far there hasn't been any particular reason to move it either. If the thread veers into the direction of weird revenge fantasies against these people again, this thread will get moved or locked.

IwegalBadnik said:
One can laugh at how stupid their beliefs are or how inaccurate the allegedly content of their claims is, but the risks involved leave little room for any real comedy. People come to harm from anti-vaxxers' actions and I imagine that's not something most people would take lightly.
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Then this is not a Lolcow thread. I'll put a poll up(that'll run something like a week) whether people would prefer this thread moved to Deep Thoughts or something similar because yeah, the thread is severely lacking in comedy.
 
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Clown Doll said:
The thread hasn't had anything funny about the Anti-Vaxx movement this whole year, the discussion seems to be mostly on the level of a Deep Thoughts thread in terms of comedy but so far there hasn't been any particular reason to move it either.
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One can laugh at how stupid their beliefs are or how inaccurate the allegedly content of their claims is, but the risks involved leave little room for any real comedy. People come to harm from anti-vaxxers' actions and I imagine that's not something most people would take lightly.
 
Whooping cough? I heard tales of people dying from that more than a century ago in Europe.

Anyway, this is just natural selection. The dumb are refusing vaccination and thus eliminating themselves from the genepool. Go team Darwin!
 
Piga Dgrifm said:
^ True, but the kids don't have a say in the matter and are being doomed to suffer and die because their parents are walking darwin awards.
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Or those kids who aren't eligible for those vaccines because those parents see no further than their noses.
 
Male Idiot said:
Anyway, this is just natural selection. The dumb are refusing vaccination and thus eliminating themselves from the genepool. Go team Darwin!
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It's not quite that simple.

They're affecting the people around them by not getting vaccinations. That's why the Anti-Vax movement is such a big deal; they're harming others directly with their stupidity.
 
vertexwindi said:
It's not quite that simple.

They're affecting the people around them by not getting vaccinations. That's why the Anti-Vax movement is such a big deal; they're harming others directly with their stupidity.
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How are they harming others? Those that are vaccinated will remain protected in any case right? Correct me if I'm being dense, I just don't see how. This is just the stupid doing stupid things.

Now if they wanted to ban the vaccination state wide, I would totally agree with you.
 
Male Idiot said:
How are they harming others? Those that are vaccinated will remain protected in any case right? Correct me if I'm being dense, I just don't see how. This is just the stupid doing stupid things.

Now if they wanted to ban the vaccination state wide, I would totally agree with you.
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The unvaccinated spread the disease to people with weakened immune systems, such as the very young/old and cancer patients.
 
Male Idiot said:
How are they harming others? Those that are vaccinated will remain protected in any case right? Correct me if I'm being dense, I just don't see how. This is just the stupid doing stupid things.

Now if they wanted to ban the vaccination state wide, I would totally agree with you.
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It has to do with herd immunity, and the fact that not everyone is able to be vaccinated for medical reasons. Not everyone has the immune systems we might, and they rely on us to not be carriers of those diseases who can inadvertently kill them. A rather dramatic example of the importance of vaccines and herd immunity by be the First Nations peoples and the European settlers (although native decline happened for a lot of reasons, blah blah.)

That said, I don't even see what the concern of having autism is. What the fear is. It's not in any way harmful in the majority of cases. If handled correctly by parents, doctors, etc, it's hard to even tell if 99% of autistic people have it. Only extreme cases leave the condition discernible. If everyone in the world ended up being autistic, I don't think anything would suffer. Obviously, the world is full of us "normies" and they have to learn to cope but if that weren't the case, they would be fine.

The anti-vaxxers really only concern me on an ethical level, though, because their rhetoric essentially implies, in many cases, that autistic people are for some reason better off dead than living with their condition.

My spouse has severe autism, diagnosed from the time she was very small. Like catatonic rocking back and forth, not talking, etc. Eventually, they slowly got her out it through the proper methods, and with the right coping mechanism, she grew up normal. Participated in sports, normal love life, multiple levels of post-secondary education and so on. It sucked all throughout her early childhood and in private, oh yeah you can tell. But in public? Not even some of her closest friends even know. After decades. But that is SO MUCH WORSE than her dying of the fucking plague or something? God damn disgusts me, these fuckers.
 
Male Idiot said:
Whooping cough? I heard tales of people dying from that more than a century ago in Europe.

Anyway, this is just natural selection. The dumb are refusing vaccination and thus eliminating themselves from the genepool. Go team Darwin!
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They're eliminating other people, too, because adults who were never exposed often no longer have immunity to things that children are spreading.
 
AnOminous said:
They're eliminating other people, too, because adults who were never exposed often no longer have immunity to things that children are spreading.
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Okey! Should that not mean that adult vaccionation should be more frequent in order to prevent that?
 
Male Idiot said:
Okey! Should that not mean that adult vaccionation should be more frequent in order to prevent that?
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There wouldn't be any need for it if traditional childhood illnesses didn't occur because of anti-vaxers.
 
Ever noticed that there's very few actual autistic people in the anti-vaxxer movement?

The reason is simple: Most of my tribe (at least, the ones who know about their disorder and don't use it as an excuse to be a fuck-up) have logically deducted that these people are idiots who would rather have their children die than be autistic.

So, we stay as far away as we can from these people and politely correct anyone who asks about it.
 
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Most of the people supporting the AV movement are hardcore conspiracists, before autism became the "it" thing vaccines were giving you, it was alleged they had mercury or other "toxic" materials (sometimes defined, sometimes ambiguous) in them, even back when the polio vaccine came out, there were a few disproportionately loud people claiming that it really contained all sorts of nasty things that would do unspeakable horrors to you. The overall narrative never changes, only the alleged harmful "secret" chemical and the alleged disease it causes do, to keep up with the times.

Autism fear isn't what's driving the current wave of AV, it's just what they hang their hat on to try and get an audience.
 
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