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I Know 孤独のせい said:
Yeah, I am not saying don't watch anime, but especially for shōnen it's just asking for trouble. So from my experience it's always a safe bet to read the original and then maybe watch the adaptation. The only case where I prefer the anime over its source material is Ghost in the Shell.
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I like the first movie a lot but it's kind of fucked up how in the manga Motoko, Batou, Togusa, and the Chief are all shown to have the ability to turn it off when not on duty but because of the influence of Mamoru Oshii's SUPER SERIOUS take on the source material they all end up various levels of humorless operators in all future adaptations (and the sequels to the manga).

I'd say probably the best adaptation that makes the source harder to go back to is Hellsing Ultimate which nails almost everything perfectly and Major's penchant for monologues works so much better voiced and animated then it ever did in manga form.

 
Professor Donger said:
...but I will always recommend people read the Manga, because time constraints on an anime can cause massive pacing issues that don't exist in the source material.
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This is my major gripe concerning anime adaptations. A couple of pages and a couple of minutes reading get turned into an entire 20-minute episode. Not to mention the filler.
Oddjob OTP said:
I like the first movie a lot but it's kind of fucked up how in the manga Motoko, Batou, Togusa, and the Chief are all shown to have the ability to turn it off when not on duty but because of the influence of Mamoru Oshii's SUPER SERIOUS take on the source material they all end up various levels of humorless operators in all future adaptations (and the sequels to the manga).

I'd say probably the best adaptation that makes the source harder to go back to is Hellsing Ultimate which nails almost everything perfectly and Major's penchant for monologues works so much better voiced and animated then it ever did in manga form.
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I am a big proponent when it comes to adhering to the source material, but when it comes to GitS I am a bit of a hypocrite here. The super serious tone of the first movie is just perfection. Not only when it comes to the work of Section 9 but also regarding all the philosophical meanderings. That's why it is so captivating to me, pure unadulterated suspension of disbelieve.

The tone of the manga and Stand-Alone Complex are not better or worse, I would say, but sort of lack the conviction to draw me in like the first movie adaptation.

Haven't watched either Hellsing adaptation but read the manga ages ago. Not really a fan, so unfortunately can't comment on that. Might give it another go in the future.
 
Preacher ✝ said:
I don't really understand the backlash over OPM. Yes, the animation was better in the first season, but clearly that level of production wasn't sustainable or else we'd have more of it.

Personally I'd rather have more of the anime at the cost of animation quality than have no anime at all. I want to see where the story goes and reading manga is for faggots.
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Lone Star said:
It's not that it's not as good, it's just fucking abysmal by any sort of standard. Entire minutes at a time where the only animation is the lip flaps of characters or a slowly panning camera. The pacing is pretty bad too, where it took four episodes for really anything of substance to actually occur.
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One of the neatest parts of season 1 imo and one of the biggest tells of declining quality in seasons 2 and 3 was the manga panel flipbook sequences. In season 1 they were able to do several highly detailed and highly animated cuts that were almost exactly 1-for-1 with the relevant manga panels because they'd been laid out so well in the first place.
The manga didn't stop including those detailed flipbook-type sequences, but the anime sure seems to have.
 
Oddjob OTP said:
I like the first movie a lot but it's kind of fucked up how in the manga Motoko, Batou, Togusa, and the Chief are all shown to have the ability to turn it off when not on duty but because of the influence of Mamoru Oshii's SUPER SERIOUS take on the source material they all end up various levels o
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To be fair, in the GITS manga it does start with comedy, but it grows increasingly serious, until it's more or less equal to the first movie (with the same ending, more or less). Dunno about the manga sequels, I didn't find them good enough to finish them reading.
 
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Newcomer 42 said:
To be fair, in the GITS manga it does start with comedy, but it grows increasingly serious, until it's more or less equal to the first movie (with the same ending, more or less). Dunno about the manga sequels, I didn't find them good enough to finish them reading.
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The GITS manga had a healthy dose of humor, particularly gallows humor, running through it that didn't make it into the animated adaptations. The anime were a lot more straight-faced in their depictions of violence and their discussion of existential issues.

There's a scene in the manga where the Puma sisters from Tank Police make a cameo selling 'fell off the back of a truck' merchandise, and they get robbed by Kusanagi's Fuchikoma. It's a shame that didn't make it into the anime.
God of Nothing said:
stupid sex-crazed dyke
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Masamune Shirow knows how to write women.
 
I watch anime on my way to work while on public transit and usually do an episode to and one on the way back. I had plans for Higurashi but they fell through because I only had the NEW Higurashi and apparently you can't watch the NEW Higurashi. I had to break my "In case of emergency" glass and start Attack on Titan. I'd already seen the first season, but it was like ten years ago, so I binged the whole season during work, where I could half-watch it/ half have it on in the background in a two day period. I left sympathizing more with Annie at the end, mostly because dub Eren sounds like a shit and the experience as a whole gave me a headache.
 
Oddjob OTP said:
I'd say probably the best adaptation that makes the source harder to go back to is Hellsing Ultimate which nails almost everything perfectly and Major's penchant for monologues works so much better voiced and animated then it ever did in manga form.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=1qTLD5mvhio
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As someone who just rewatched it for spooky month and then read parts of the manga just to compare, I agree that it's an amazing adaptation. I think the Kaiji anime is another good example of an adaptation that massively adds to the source material, it adds a lot of suspense and atmospheric dread to a story that was already great at it, it was just directed very well and actually worked with the strengths of its medium to make a more satisfying experience.
 
^ Kaiji somehow makes an arc entirely about playing rock paper scissors rad and gripping. It goes even further than that, it covers psychology, game theory, the momentum of "money" (shit fiat currency) and interest, and the rat race of life in a (((corrupt))) world.
 
Lone Star said:
It's not that it's not as good, it's just fucking abysmal by any sort of standard. Entire minutes at a time where the only animation is the lip flaps of characters or a slowly panning camera. The pacing is pretty bad too, where it took four episodes for really anything of substance to actually occur.
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It's so bad that I have unironically seen dogshit isekai harem with better animation. It's truly unacceptable no matter how you slice it, and the cope that they're "saving" for the action scenes is retarded when they're four episodes in and it's been a glorified slideshow. They would have been better off coloring the Murata manga and adding voice overs. I really wish consumers would have higher standards for the entertainment that they choose to consume instead of accepting bottom of the barrel slop.

GAY DEAD MUPPET GANGBANG said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=rhVXDLYmdqE

Is it really this bad now being an anime fan? The newest anime I just finished is from like 2011 so it's out of my wheelhouse.
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tl;dw? I stopped watching It's a Gundam ages ago because he's such an annoying Jew about everything.
 
Kari Kamiya said:
You can't watch it until you watch the other older seasons, and even then I recommend not watching Gou. Sail the high seas, my man.
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It's too late for me. I'm already enlisted in the survey corps, no doubt eaten by a fat gay titan that looks like a gym teacher. I'll try Higurashi again after the like, year it's going to take to finish AoT.
 
Lone MacReady II said:
^ Kaiji somehow makes an arc entirely about playing rock paper scissors rad and gripping. It goes even further than that, it covers psychology, game theory, the momentum of "money" (shit fiat currency) and interest, and the rat race of life in a (((corrupt))) world.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=WX0vL63Bh8k
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Duder, like half of season 2 is just him pulling a lever at a pachinko machine and crying when he loses and I still had my eyes glued to the screen the entire time.
 
PS1gamenwatch said:
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The Japanese, for a long time, hired Western translators to better translate the subs and dubs of their works, making them easier for Western audiences to enjoy. Those translators would ruin the anime they were translating in multiple ways. There was one light novel or manga that I remember, which was a yaoi story about a guy who liked a "girl" who turned out to be his best friend, cross-dressing. The translators completely changed the story so the friend, who still saw himself as a guy, was trans.

A good example from Video Games is in Guilty Gear, when they changed Bridget from just a guy who liked wearing cute things to a trans person and completely changed his story.
 
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