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Dude was mid 30's before his reincarnation, now he's in his 50's. C'mon.
Everyone has a breaking point and Rudeus very clearly suffered from stunted development, just like with most hikkineets. You can't just assume someone like that is going to function with any level of normalcy as a baseline.

Nah, some of us have a strong sense of loyalty. Maybe in the moment, given the circumstances,it could be written off as a lapse in judgement, but dragging her back as a wife is a whole different matter.
Fair, I shouldn't say he's irredeemable just yet, the series isn't over or anything, but I'm confident in saying he's currently a piece of shit.
I guarantee there are skeletons in your closet that you do not want to talk about. I know for certain there are skeletons in mine. Don't look at the beam in your brother's eye before you notice the mote in your own eye, even if the beam in your brother's eye is made from timber and the mote in your eye is made of steel. at the end of the day we all have shit sticking out of our face so it's not a good look to pretend that we don't.

If any of us are going to moralfag on Christian principles like monogamy, we also have to make absolutely certain we all practice forgiveness of sin.
 
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I have a guilty pleasure for love triangles blooming into threesomes

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Source is Kimi no Love o Misetekure (Show me Your Love) by Rimukoro, same artist of Senko-san.
 
If any of us are going to moralfag on Christian principles like monogamy, we also have to make absolutely certain we all practice forgiveness of sin.
The J man most definitely does not forgive pedos and certain other blasphemies. Read Matthew again and you'll learn what he thought you should do to them. It wasn't forgive them, moreso Kill Them.
 
That's an extremely simplistic misrepresentation of what actually happened. Rudeus was in a literal suicidal grief spiral because of the death of a father figure that he didn't realize he cared about until it was too late to do anything which lasted for 3 weeks (this wasn't very well conveyed in the anime because they had to cut things to make everything fit into the episode time they had available), and then the person who he has literally idolized as a child comes into his room and offers herself up on a silver platter? Like of course he's going to fold. None of us can pretend we're any better because, given the same circumstances, we'd probably do something similar or worse. I'm sure as shit not going to pretend I'm some paragon of virtue or that I wouldn't feel tempted to do something terrible in those circumstances.
Having a moment of weakness and cheating due to grief rendering you irrational would be bad enough. Deciding to run with it and flat out take on a second wife is absolutely fucked and the fact that it's portrayed as cool and good relegates this series to, at best, a guilty pleasure that you enjoy simply for the sheer spectacle. A degenerate is reincarnated to a degenerate father and grows up to be a more successful degenerate than he was in his previous life. That's his character arc. The only real valid aesop is "don't sit on your ass all day".
 
The J man most definitely does not forgive pedos and certain other blasphemies. Read Matthew again and you'll learn what he thought you should do to them. It wasn't forgive them, moreso Kill Them.
We can't use the law to judge our brother otherwise we end up like the Pharisee, and then just like the second son in the story of the prodigal son, Christ will turn to us and ask 'why could you not forgive your brother?' Killing people for going against the law when the very same scripture decries placing the law over the condition of your heart is not the way that leads to salvation.

God is a literal ocean of forgiveness and the definition of everything good, every single one of our collective sins are like specs of sand that just get washed away by this ocean, and there is not a single sin that cannot be forgiven through repentance. God's anger and wrath would have already fallen on every single person that the law deems worth of death long ago if this was the case. The reason that it hasn't is because, as the church rightly tells us, the condition of your heart always trumps the secondary aspects of the law. It's even present in the first two commandments: thou shalt love the lord your God with all your heart, all your mind and all your soul, and that thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. We cannot love our neighbour if we aren't willing to show them the same infinite forgiveness and patience that the Lord shows to all people on this earth.

The /only/ sin that cannot be forgiven is the sin you do not repent of, and all repentance is when you really boil it down is a re-orientation of your life and a sincere desire to change who you are, or correct at least some of the faults that you have. The church fixes the point of orientation as Christ, as this is part of the process of Theosis, or literally, 'becoming as Christ is', but for the sake of Mushoten (because it doesn't directly reference Christ) the themes of repentance and forgiveness are illustrated in Rudeus' constant mistakes and his attempts., however flawed, at fixing those mistakes.

Having a moment of weakness and cheating due to grief rendering you irrational would be bad enough. Deciding to run with it and flat out take on a second wife is absolutely fucked and the fact that it's portrayed as cool and good relegates this series to, at best, a guilty pleasure that you enjoy simply for the sheer spectacle. A degenerate is reincarnated to a degenerate father and grows up to be a more successful degenerate than he was in his previous life. That's his character arc.
It's not played as cool in the slightest, Norn literally flips out as a result of it and Rudeus himself has extreme misgivings about the whole thing which is expressed by the guilt he feels when Norn berates him for what he's done. Sylphy is the one who forgives both Rudeus and Roxy for the acts they committed. Rudeus has these misgivings for the rest of his life, which are apparent to anyone who's sat down and actually read the webnovel.

The thing you're forgetting is that the world this story is set in is fictional and that only the Millis faith believes in monogamy. The rest of the world has absolutely no problem with this, so of course Sylphy would have no problems with Rudeus taking a second wife. If you have a personal issue with the author creating works like this because it doesn't suit your palette, then alright, but moralizing about all this makes no sense in the context of the story because it just comes across that you don't actually understand or care about the world or the characters inside it even if that isn't the case.

This might sound a bit weird, but bear with me a little: when talking about different kinds of people, Saint Paisios of Mt. Athos gives the example of honey bees and carrion flies; when a carrion fly enters a room filled with flowers and sweets, it ignores everything sweet and immediately seeks out the rotten meat in the corner. When a honey bee enters a room full of rotten meat, it ignores all of the rot and immediately looks for the small flower that's growing through a neglected crack in the floor. The carrion flies are the people who only ever see the bad when presented with a wall of good, the honey bees are the people who only ever see the good when presented with a wall of bad. For our own health, the Saint advises that we all try to be like the honey bee; seek to justify the good in others and not condemn them for their faults.
 
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The /only/ sin that cannot be forgiven is the sin you do not repent of, and all repentance is when you really boil it down is a re-orientation of your life and a sincere desire to change who you are, or correct at least some of the faults that you have.
There is the caveat that you should at least make some progress in rectifying your sins, if that does not happen it's a sign that your faith is not strong enough. Faith without works is dead.
 
There is the caveat that you should at least make some progress in rectifying your sins, if that does not happen it's a sign that your faith is not strong enough. Faith without works is dead.
Neither you or I get to define what spiritual progress is, that falls on whoever your spiritual father is and is highly specific to each person as each person progresses on their path at different rates and is capable of tackling different things at different times.

To use another example from St. Paisios: there was once an Athonite Monk who could not break his alcoholism, and eventually passed away while still being a drunkard. The other monastics would berate him for lack of ability to turn away from the passion of consuming too much Alcohol, until the Saint revealed that the Lord had shown him the space which had been reserved in Heaven for the drunken monk. When the other monks asked about this, Saint Paisios told the story of how the monk had originally lived through Ottoman raids as a child and that to stop him from crying and alerting the soldiers where his family were, his family would feed him alcohol. This brought up a dependence from an extremely young age. Throughout his life the monk constantly battled with this, and prayed to the Lord ceaselessly that he could even have just one cup less a day, and through great spiritual effort he managed to reduce the amount he drunk from 20 cups a day down to around 3 or 4, though he still never failed to get drunk. What the Lord saw in this man was a genuine and heartfelt desire to change himself, and that is why he was granted a seat in heaven, but the bit that we need to pay attention to is that no-one else noticed this change because they were too focused on the fact that he was still a drunkard.

If you want to talk about this more then please DM me, I don't want to pollute the thread with off-topic discussion anymore.
 
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Technically God will forgive all sins and trespasses. However the more orthodox interpretation is typically that faith without acts is hollow, or more straight to the point faith is defined by living the faith rather than lip service. You can’t separate your life and call yourself a Christian.

Could a psychopathic child murder rapist redeem himself in the eyes of God? Yes. Could his brother believe him? Yes. But God doesn’t tell you to be a retard in the Christian or Jewish faith. You are not supposed to temper Justice with Mercy everytime. Men might not be able to judge your soul, but they can judge how you live your life.

Execution is not forbade in the Bible. Revenge and vengeance are warned against, but execution for heinous acts is allowed. A judge and executioner are basically told to operate under extreme scrutiny and gravity as they are effectively imitating god.

Anyway back to anime, I don’t give a shit if Isekai is wish fulfillment smut. Is it entertaining? Probably not because only like three Isekai do anything fun with the setting. I like when the natives of the Isekai world pull a reversal on the broken protagonist. Like they get out smarted by people who aren’t evil, they just have goals and the protagonist is in the way and too dumb or uncultured to understand their warnings and threats.
 
I guarantee there are skeletons in your closet that you do not want to talk about. I know for certain there are skeletons in mine. Don't look at the beam in your brother's eye before you notice the mote in your own eye
There's a difference between an occasion of sin and being an unrepentant reprobate, it doesn't take being perfect to point that out.

If any of us are going to moralfag on Christian principles like monogamy, we also have to make absolutely certain we all practice forgiveness of sin
So far, based on the anime alone since I don't read the manga, it'd be one thing if it was a situation where they all from the beginning agreed to such an arrangement, but it clearly bothered his wife and she just accepted the situation to please the MC. It's not even like he wasn't aware of the magnitude of his behavior he persisted in. He's selfish as hell. Maybe by the end he won't be, but there's no point in pretending he doesn't have deep character flaws.

I guess it's kinda interesting to have such a fleshed out, flawed character though.
 
We can't use the law to judge our brother otherwise we end up like the Pharisee, and then just like the second son in the story of the prodigal son, Christ will turn to us and ask 'why could you not forgive your brother?' Killing people for going against the law when the very same scripture decries placing the law over the condition of your heart is not the way that leads to salvation.
Did you bother reading Matthew again like I said to? Christ literally says what he thinks, I'll take his words over yours any day.
 
That's an extremely simplistic misrepresentation of what actually happened. Rudeus was in a literal suicidal grief spiral because of the death of a father figure that he didn't realize he cared about until it was too late to do anything which lasted for 3 weeks (this wasn't very well conveyed in the anime because they had to cut things to make everything fit into the episode time they had available), and then the person who he has literally idolized as a child comes into his room and offers herself up on a silver platter? Like of course he's going to fold. None of us can pretend we're any better because, given the same circumstances, we'd probably do something similar or worse. I'm sure as shit not going to pretend I'm some paragon of virtue or that I wouldn't feel tempted to do something terrible in those circumstances.

The story is about redemption and forgiveness, and has always been about redemption and forgiveness, and the reason you know it's about redemption and forgiveness is because not only does it not hide the face that the main character makes horrible mistakes, even when he tries not to, nor does it hide the fact that the main character has a bunch of problems that he very clearly doesn't view as problems but which he ends up having to address at multiple stages in the plot which the anime hasn't gotten to yet, but it also constantly and consistently challenges people to see if they are capable of self-reflection, looking back on everything that they have ever done wrong in the way the the main character does, and whether or not they're capable of both addressing what they've done wrong, or forgiving what others have done wrong by portraying the character as so unabashedly flawed. We all like to pretend we aren't Rudeus, the sad fact is that the vast majority of us are just as broken as he is in ways we don't recognise because we don't actually have the capacity to be honest with ourselves in any real sense because of our own ego.

redemption and forgiveness are not all sunshine and rainbows; the path is littered with thorns, sharp rocks, deep pits, sheer cliffs and swamps with the most noxious gases you can possibly imagine, and Mushoten does an absolutely spectacular job of addressing that. The fact that people constantly seethe about how unforgiveable (no such thing tbh, no matter how much we all larp about it) the main character is is the single best illustration of this.
You know it's about redemption and forgiveness because the main character explicitly delivers the series' thesis statement in the first chapter/episode with all the subtlety of the opening paragraph of a child's book report: "I've got a second chance, and I'm not going to waste it!" It's not that deep. It's just a bad show.

I thought it was "lol just have good genetics"
Pretty much. Rudeus doesn't start his second life as a powerless slave or the crippled child of illiterate dirt farmers. He starts it as a child of nobility, born with the rare gifts of high magic capacity and chant-less casting, which he's able to develop early in his life because his parents are rich enough to hire him one of the best tutors in the world. His second life begins, through literal divine intervention, at a point very, very few people would reach after a lifetime of hard work and good luck. Because it's just a wish-fulfillment web novel for teenage boys, who want the author to jump straight to the part where their viewpoint character is powerful, special, handsome, and surrounded by beautiful women.
 
Anime/Manga - discuss Christian scripture here!

Picked up Red Cat Ramen, surprisingly nice series. The using the term nepo-baby actually didn't bother me much considering it came from a character who seems like they would say something like that and fits pretty well with the meaning. There are more egregious insertions of current year bullshit elsewhere.
 
It is true that monogamy is actually not the mainstream in Mushoku Tensei and that most families presented in that have had either second wives like Paul or affairs, plus the Greyrats are known to be sexual degenerates that fuck nearly everything to begin with.
The family tree in that show was fucked already, Rudy's pal Clff is also his great great grandpa isn't he? If you're looking for Christianity parallels you're better off with A FarAway Paladin.
 
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