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Ok Anime KF, I have only watched Miyazaki's version of Lupin the Third, should I try other animes for Lupin? Open to siggestions.
If you want something closer to the manga version of Lupin, I'd recommend Mystery of Mamo. It's far out there though, but I think I like it more than Cagliostro minus the OST. If you're a fan of that you can move on to Part 2 which has a funny (yet incomplete dub). You can also try Parts 4 and 5, which give a more modern (not in a shit way) spin on Lupin. There's also the Fujiko Mine specials as well as the Jigen and Goemon specials. I've heard they're good, but I haven't seen them yet.
 
Does the first anime at least ""end"" in some way that is acceptable despite it not adapting the whole manga? I don't mind anime only endings so long as they conclude major beats instead of leaving you hanging.
Yes, actually. They managed to finish the Poseidon arc with a complete final boss fight and the characters get to cheer how happy they are that they all lived through it just before Lucifer shows up to take advantage of things and take over the world, yes, Lucifer, the Fallen Angel, not Hades. There were four movies that came out along the series and they don't really fit the series, but the last one would work as long as you just pretend the other three did happen as well, and they just don't have great places to be slotted in thanks to the obligatory 'there's no time, we have to hurry!' aspects of the show.
Any recommendations for fan servicy manga along the lines of 100 girlfriends who really really love you? I want to get into the seinen ecchi/harem thing, the stuff which twitter calls problematic
You can't go wrong with Love Hina, To Love Ru was a weekly read for me growing up so I'd reccomend that and I really liked Ai Kora but never heard anyone else ever talk about it. I haven't read any of this shit since I was a kid though so if there's any loli shit I'm forgetting about then I disavow.
There's also Yuuna and the Haunted Hot Springs, which is similar to the 100 Girlfriends one in that there's not as much abuse of the male lead just for kicks compared to Love Hina or To Love-Ru.

That said, not to say there isn't creeper stuff in those series, but at some point you got to question if reading stories about high schoolers at all isn't a problem.
 
Tried to give VTuber Nandaga Haishin Kiri Wasuretara Densetsu ni Natteta a shot but it is somehow more boring that general Youtuber streams. You have a setup of a vtuber gal getting a DSP moment, and instead of anything spicy (as in talking shit on the industry and other vtubers) it's the most boring shit possible.

Also should use different characters for irl and vtubing.

Edit: There is also a Vampire Influencer anime for some reason that's at least entertaining for having the heroine be a drama whore, though the yuri shit isn't helping.
 
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Any recommendations for fan servicy manga along the lines of 100 girlfriends who really really love you? I want to get into the seinen ecchi/harem thing, the stuff which twitter calls problematic
I'd second Tenchi Muyo. I'll blurb 2 more:

High School DxD is a harem battle shonen, MC gets betrayed by a manipulative "girlfriend" who was a fallen angel for his mutant power from god and survives because a big-titty waifu put him in her service. Ends up being a lot of power scaling and adding waifu to the gang and "comedy" along the way. Several seasons worth of content, but the LN is still ongoing last I knew.

Demon King Daimo is also sort of a battle shonen, it's about a guy who shows up to Japanese not-Hogwarts and puts on the not-Sorting-Hat and it tells him that his occupation will be Demon King. Along the way he collects several waifu and defuses a bunch of shit related to reactions to him being the demon king/trying to use him. Got a good 6 episode OVA but the last two LN were never adapted but were somewhere between "pretty good" and "what cocktail of drugs is this author on?"
 
Finally caught up with Dragon Ball Super full color. The last volume collected.

I've seen that right now the manga is on hiatus, so I will have to wait even more to see if it will continue (3 chapters have been released)

So any news of it will continue or just be on hiatus?

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I just watched the boy and the heron and wow, it was really, really, really bad. The entire film felt like a bunch of undercooked pitch ideas for short stories/cut content from spirited away/tales from earthsea that production just decided to loosely thread together to make a feature length film, you have the flying sperm plotline, the parokeets plotline, the wizard plotline, the meteor plotline, the magic legos plotline and the boy grieving plotline and they are barely congruent with one another.

"No you don't get it bro, its SYMBOLIC."

Yeah and that's the crux of the issue.

All the symbolism is not supplementary to the story. It IS the story, and depending on how you take that it will make or break the movie for you. There is no point in questioning any of the myriad plotholes, plot contrivances, or generalized nonsense in it relating to the plot, because the movie doesn't care about pretence.

If you take the movie literally, a kid sad that his mom died goes to a fantasy land after following a fat ugly idiot in a heron costume and after saving a bunch of flying sperm from pelicans, and interrupting his aunt's birth, learns to love his unborn sister after a wizard talking to a magic rock argues with a parokeet that came out of nowhere over a bunch of lego bricks that also came out of nowhere. It goes without saying that this isn't even trying.

So you have to take a step back and get a little figurative, its all steeped in the general theme of "moving on", and what that really means.

The protagonist choses to save the unborn instead of letting them die (except at the end he kills them all when he lets the world die anyway so???). He choses to let his younger mom go and move on, he choses to not take the lego bricks because he recognizes his own flaw, he choses to forsake the fantasy world and return to reality in the form of abandoning the childish toys.

The fantasy world is meant and ONLY meant, to represent this dichotomy of holding on vs letting go. This isn't a plot based narrative, its a theme based one.

But must there really be this hard seperation of plot and theming? I smell a false dichotomy. Let me try to put this visually.

Pretend this narrative is a cake. Everybody loves cakes, cakes have layers right?

And for a narrative cake you need a nice solid plot as the base, it can stand on its own, then ontop of that you can layer some allegory, which in this case is another way to interpret the base story, then stack on a little symbolism to enchance both intepretations below it, and if you want you can top it off with a little social commentary, and horray for you.

Myasaki put it in the oven... a little differently. He gave us a half baked story that can't hold itself up, let alone anything else, so made it equal part allegorical, then overloaded that shit with symbolism, and you know what, you still have a cake- just less of one. ᵃⁿᵈ ᵏᶦⁿᵈᵃ ˢʰᶦᵗ

For 2 hours the movie half asses a plot and connecting threads for set pieces and feels the gaps with "deeper meaning".

Like I'm not supposed to notice that the lego bricks and the parokeet king that are literally responsible for the entire setting and climax of the film showed up in the last 10 minutes with no forshadowing and zero explenation.

Or the the characters randomly gain and lose memories completely aribtrarily and time travel depending on what the plot wants with zero consistency.

Why was the maid helping the sperm instead of trying to go home?

If the world is just a made up pocket dimention playground by the uncle using the magic meteorite, why the fuck do the flying sperm become real humans in the real world?

If we're supposed to care about them being eaten because they're real people, does that mean that since the protagonist chose to let the world die at the end that no more people will be born because all the flying sperm died in it??? You can't have your cake and fuck it too.

Either we care about the flying sperm being eaten because they're real people in the real world, or we don't care about them because the protagonist destroys them all at the end anyway, but it doesn't matter because the sperm plotline that the movie spends like a third of its runtime on is dropped partway through and never brought up again, until they remember that they left the granny in the shadow realm and need to pull her back like 2 minutes before the credits roll.

Why does his younger mother have superpowers in the fantasy land but he doesn't?

Or that the wizard created this magic fantasy world, filled it with flesh eating cannibal birds, and thinks that this will somehow be enticing to a young child???

I don't care if its analogous for the innocence of childhood or adulthood ignorance or whatever the fuck.

The boy deciding to reject the fantasy world is supposed to be him "growing up" but the fantasy world is a total shithole filled with health hazards, electroshocking rocks, and cannibal birds. Why the fuck would ANYONE want to stay in it instead of running away?

Or that its still not explained why the stepmom walked into the fantasy world other than some vague prophecy about the plotline that makes zero sense when you actually start asking questions around it:

So the magic world drags people from the granduncles bloodline because it needs a sucessor... so the parokeets capture and offer the mother as a bargaining chip, but the wizard doesn't want her, he wants the protagonist which the parokeets do not capture and instead try to kill instead for some reason, and the aunt was drawn in because she's also from the bloodline, but the parokeets DON'T offer her to the wizard, instead they put her in a sacred birthing room you're not allowed to trespass in because...???

Or that the plot of saving the aunt is resolved by the mother... praying to the electrified rock out of the blue, which hasn't been established to even be a character, and the electrified rock is somehow different from the magical flying talking rock that gives the uncle his powers and... what?

It doesn't help that the big metaphor here is knuckledraggingly simplistic "HES SAD AND MUST MOVE ON", and I'm not even saying aggressive allegory/themeing is the wrong way to tell a story, I'm saying it can be lazily or incompetently done.

The boy and the heron doesn't bother with the base story, it just says "THIS IS AN ALLEGORY FOR GRIEF", tosses a bunch of surreal imagery at you, then tells you to go dumpster diving if you want anything more out of it.

I'm sorry for the movie just isn't good. It just jangles colourful keys in front of you for 2 hours, but its incredibly shallow doesn't have much to say other than being a pretty screensaver.

Studio gibli has done both allegory AND metaphor before, and they've done both without sacrificing the plot to moloch.

Nausica, Kiki, Monoke, Spirited away, Howl's castle, Arriety, they all have themes, messages, social commentary, and they accomplish it without completely forsaking the plot.

TBATH reaks of rewrites and lack of a clear vision other than an abstract "grief theme", but "abtract grief" is not a copout for lack of congruence. GRIS also does abstraction of grief with tons of symbolism and it does so while having a clear focus.

In fact GRIS is this movie but done competently, because the fantastical locations and the events in them actually relate to grief and coping with loss.

This movie is genuinely no better than earthesa. They have the exact same problems, shallow characters, incoherent plot, barely connected set pieces and a climax that only makes sense if you've read all 12 rewrites of the original script.

I mean for fucks sake, the movie is called "The Boy and the HERON" and the titular heron is only relevant for about 5 minutes of total screentime before being relegated into a pointless fat ugly comic relief character with zero bearing on the plot. And while we're at it, the fuck's going on with the heron?

His magic feathers always find their target, but if he has a hole in his beak he can't fly, and the hole can only be fixed by one who made it, and at one point the protagonist threatens to tear a random feather that fell off him in half, and that really scares him, and then the feather gets torn anyway and nothing becomes of it, and then (in the scene where they're fixing the beak) the heron tells the boy outright that he's betraying him and he can go fuck himself, but then literally a sentence later forgets he ever set it and helps the boy???

He's also the ONLY magic bird that can exist in the real world implying he transcends realities, but is also subservient to the wizard uncle that built the magic playground? And at one point they also namedrop that his only weakness is flight feather number 4 (or something along those lines) and that's never brought back up after the one scene its mentioned in where it serves no purpose.

This movie has like 30 different dropped plot points and half of them are about the heron.

But oh no, its a metaphor so it excuses literally everything, no fuck off, metaphor isn't all purpose plot insulation, you can't just say "themes" to excuse literally everything especially when the same studio has done themes without sacrificing plot before.
 
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Holy shit that first episode was like a family guy sketch. Felt like an actual parody of shonen stories but it's glorious instead of gay. I absolutely lost it when one of the former villains cut the boy into pieces during his "remember the old times" flashback. Can't wait for episode 1.

But oh no, its a metaphor so it excuses literally everything, no fuck off, metaphor isn't all purpose plot insulation, you can't just say "themes" to excuse literally everything especially when the same studio has done themes without sacrificing plot before.
Sounds like the usual post The last Jedi hellscape we live in, where people look for things that sounds deep and fill out a two hour YouTube video over actually multilayered works of fiction that are good even without looking deep into them.
 
Sounds like the usual post The last Jedi hellscape we live in, where people look for things that sounds deep and fill out a two hour YouTube video over actually multilayered works of fiction that are good even without looking deep into them.
I've been reading reviews and discussions on the movie and its fucking insane. People are calling this movie a mastepiece because it has some abstract imagery and a plot that makes no sense so they assume the less sense it makes the more deep it must be.

If you call out the plotholes or incongruencies or inconsistencies you "just dont get it" as if the movie is deep enough to have enough themes for someone to not get to begin with.

Everything can be "symbolic" if you stretch far enough but if you need to use 12 connecting lines to actually draw a parallel (meanwhile the actual base plot is non existent so you can't even fallback on that) you've already fucked up.

The gibli dickriders are the worse when it comes to this, telling people who think the film is badly writen to go watch transformers instead because anything that comes out by gibli must automatically be a timeless masterpiece.
 
I mean for fucks sake, the movie is called "The Boy and the HERON" and the titular heron is only relevant for about 5 minutes of total screentime before being relegated into a pointless fat ugly comic relief character with zero bearing on the plot.
The original Japanese is "How Do You Live?" but that's not marketable to an English-speaking audience who've never heard if this Japanese novel it's adapting. It's bullshit but that's how it is.
 
Any recommendations for fan servicy manga along the lines of 100 girlfriends who really really love you? I want to get into the seinen ecchi/harem thing, the stuff which twitter calls problematic
If no one has mentioned it, Monster Musume no Iru Nichijou/Everyday Life with Monster Girls.
 
The original Japanese is "How Do You Live?" but that's not marketable to an English-speaking audience who've never heard if this Japanese novel it's adapting. It's bullshit but that's how it is.
That explains why the heron is completely irrelevant to the film but doesn't fix the issue that the heron himself has like 30 dropped plotlines. Its like he was important in an earlier draft of the film and they forgot parts of the plotlines in without realizing that the rest of the plot attached to them was missing.
His magic feathers always find their target, but if he has a hole in his beak he can't fly, and the hole can only be fixed by one who made it, and at one point the protagonist threatens to tear a random feather that fell off him in half, and that really scares him, and then the feather gets torn anyway and nothing becomes of it, and then (in the scene where they're fixing the beak) the heron tells the boy outright that he's betraying him and he can go fuck himself, but then literally a sentence later forgets he ever set it and helps the boy???

He's also the ONLY magic bird that can exist in the real world implying he transcends realities, but is also subservient to the wizard uncle that built the magic playground?

I mean fuck, he is literally the face of the cover, there's no way he was always intended to be an irrelevant side character, I'm convinced in another version of the script he was way more important and snippets of that script survived in the final product.

Edit: Shit, the more I think about it the more dropped plots I find, when they're in the observatory where the boy attacks the heron with the bow the heron reveals that his one weakness is flight feather number 4 or something, a fact that is completely irrelevant to the scene and is never brought up again in the rest of the film, so wtf was the point of drawing attention to it???
 
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Did anybody notice Crunchyroll removed the comment section? That's stupid, it was full of retards and faggots but it was something to look at during boring scenes.

Rudeus was a 30-something year old fat virgin in his previous life, he knows time is precious and he's not going to waste his second chance at life as an overpowered isekai protagonist by NOT fucking bitches, are you insane?
He's genuinely a piece of shit main character though. I thought he was changing and getting some character development or something, then...he just cheats on his pregnant wife and coerces her into letting him have a second wife. Irredeemable guy.
 
He's genuinely a piece of shit main character though. I thought he was changing and getting some character development or something, then...he just cheats on his pregnant wife and coerces her into letting him have a second wife. Irredeemable guy.
That's an extremely simplistic misrepresentation of what actually happened. Rudeus was in a literal suicidal grief spiral because of the death of a father figure that he didn't realize he cared about until it was too late to do anything which lasted for 3 weeks (this wasn't very well conveyed in the anime because they had to cut things to make everything fit into the episode time they had available), and then the person who he has literally idolized as a child comes into his room and offers herself up on a silver platter? Like of course he's going to fold. None of us can pretend we're any better because, given the same circumstances, we'd probably do something similar or worse. I'm sure as shit not going to pretend I'm some paragon of virtue or that I wouldn't feel tempted to do something terrible in those circumstances.

The story is about redemption and forgiveness, and has always been about redemption and forgiveness, and the reason you know it's about redemption and forgiveness is because not only does it not hide the face that the main character makes horrible mistakes, even when he tries not to, nor does it hide the fact that the main character has a bunch of problems that he very clearly doesn't view as problems but which he ends up having to address at multiple stages in the plot which the anime hasn't gotten to yet, but it also constantly and consistently challenges people to see if they are capable of self-reflection, looking back on everything that they have ever done wrong in the way the the main character does, and whether or not they're capable of both addressing what they've done wrong, or forgiving what others have done wrong by portraying the character as so unabashedly flawed. We all like to pretend we aren't Rudeus, the sad fact is that the vast majority of us are just as broken as he is in ways we don't recognise because we don't actually have the capacity to be honest with ourselves in any real sense because of our own ego.

redemption and forgiveness are not all sunshine and rainbows; the path is littered with thorns, sharp rocks, deep pits, sheer cliffs and swamps with the most noxious gases you can possibly imagine, and Mushoten does an absolutely spectacular job of addressing that. The fact that people constantly seethe about how unforgiveable (no such thing tbh, no matter how much we all larp about it) the main character is is the single best illustration of this.
 
the person who he has literally idolized as a child
Dude was mid 30's before his reincarnation, now he's in his 50's. C'mon.

Like of course he's going to fold. None of us can pretend we're any better because, given the same circumstances, we'd probably do something similar or worse.
Nah, some of us have a strong sense of loyalty. Maybe in the moment, given the circumstances,it could be written off as a lapse in judgement, but dragging her back as a wife is a whole different matter.

The story is about redemption and forgiveness
Fair, I shouldn't say he's irredeemable just yet, the series isn't over or anything, but I'm confident in saying he's currently a piece of shit.
 
If you want something closer to the manga version of Lupin, I'd recommend Mystery of Mamo. It's far out there though, but I think I like it more than Cagliostro minus the OST. If you're a fan of that you can move on to Part 2 which has a funny (yet incomplete dub). You can also try Parts 4 and 5, which give a more modern (not in a shit way) spin on Lupin. There's also the Fujiko Mine specials as well as the Jigen and Goemon specials. I've heard they're good, but I haven't seen them yet.
The Woman Called Fujiko Mine series is absolutely beautifully animated. Highly recommend
 
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