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[The Fair Lady]

DGM has just taken a really weird and confusing turn. No one can tell what the fuck is going on anymore and the frequent hiatuses don't help.

 

[Anne Hathaway Fan]

the english dance is actually why I prefer the dub
nothing against jpop, it just fits the striptease better imo.
EDIT: also remember liking the ED more, it's just peak 90's

Fair enough, fair enough. My parents bought me the VHS tapes when I was about 9 so I only grew up with the Japanese version so it's nostalgic for me. I actually didn't hear the English version until years later when the sci fi channel started playing the shit out of it and like 5 other anime movies on Saturdays in the 90s.

And it's peak 80s, it's from 1988. You can tell because of the amount of Japanese girls singing over synthesizers on the sub, and the English dub has that unmistakable early '90s sound of black chicks singing over a funky beat.

 

[PS1gamenwatch]

I'm just curious, I'm a sucker for romance manga, so aside as taking this as a "do not read warning", very curious about how this relates to the whole pattern your wife as the love interest discussion.

Oh you can read all you like. The author's bad divorce kinda slowed things a bit including a custody for his daughter. One of the characters, I think Rito's classmate is patterened after said wife.

 

[vern]

As an anime only, I've read the spoilers to some things, but the real issue is, it started after Yukimura had a daughter, he suddenly became an egalitarian cuck of sorts, trying to moralfag his readers out of nowhere. What's worse is that his takes are so naive, childish, retarded, yet so deranged that even your most progressive leftist soyboy might eye-roll at it. Some examples of his moralfagging on his end volume notes:

Small correction, Yukimura iirc he only has two sons unless he had one recently with the first being born around when planets ended, which just makes things even worse.

It sucks because I used to consider Vinland one of the better historical manga. I should start looking around for some new ones because historie looks like it might be ending because of iwaaki's age and bullshit Inoue will ever continue vagabond.

 

[PS1gamenwatch]

A few days late but

Didn' know Tiffa and Kaguya were the same voice

 

[Absolutego]

They didn't even wait for the finale to air before confirming the Apothecary Diaries is getting a second season.

When this season started, I had only read the manga. Since then I've read all the light novels available in English and if they keep to the 2 volume/season adaptation ratio next season is going to be lit.

 

[Xenomorphs Are Cute]

holy shit that's a prime example what I was taking about in another thread. at lot of dudes get outright weird after becoming a father, like attack of the body snatchers.


the english dance is actually why I prefer the dub
nothing against jpop, it just fits the striptease better imo.
EDIT: also remember liking the ED more, it's just peak 90's

It's not a mandatory worsening, sometimes it even actually enhances writing. Ayakashi Triangle, despite it's shit ending, had a father-daughter ecchi idea team (as admitted by Miura). Witch Watch rn is in it's peak comfy SoL arc rn due to the manga essentially emulating the cute experiences of the mangaka having a daughter recently. IIRC, Kakushigoto was also based on semi-reality. Black Clover's (aka CHAD Clover) production had a lot to do with Tabata's family life, where the breaks were based on how sick his family gets (it's like they live in the middle of a nuclear waste disposal or something).

It depends on the person mostly. Some can handle parenthood too well, some can't handle it at all.

Small correction, Yukimura iirc he only has two sons unless he had one recently with the first being born around when planets ended, which just makes things even worse.

It sucks because I used to consider Vinland one of the better historical manga. I should start looking around for some new ones because historie looks like it might be ending because of iwaaki's age and bullshit Inoue will ever continue vagabond.

I know he had 2 sons, it's his daughter he had afterwards I'm talking about. Kingdom is long but nice, granted I've been procrastinating on it since the last 2 years due to a retarded bullshit Deus ex Machina that happens at a point.

 

[vern]

I know he had 2 sons, it's his daughter he had afterwards I'm talking about. Kingdom is long but nice, granted I've been procrastinating on it since the last 2 years due to a retarded bullshit Deus ex Machina that happens at a point

Any idea when he had his daughter because some of these afterwards I swear are from 5-10 years ago and I think I remember an interview for season 1 where he mentioned only having boys so he was kinda always like this for the very beginning

 

[HexFag]

Also Ive been noticing, one piece's art is getting real bad, like actual school kid sketch levels of trash. Its even worse than my drawings which is baffling to me. Why is that, I can clearly see its still being done on paper but is Oda scuffed for time or something?

IIRC Oda got eye surgery a while back and he might still be recovering. I still think his art peaked around Water 7 to Marineford and never recovered though.


Also if another studio other than Madhouse picks up Frieren and fucks up the El Dorado arc I'm going to end up on the news.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

I kinda hate half-assed pacifists in general due to the lack of nuance that goes into writing them, but some are very well written. Thorfinn is not one of those, probably the worst one I've read.

The whole "I have no enemies" thing itself is retarded, the message comes from the most sheltered mindset possible. The type of writer who pushes this dense ideology in most cases, never experienced any real hardships or was never confronted with a society that valued individualism over conformity. This type of message only gets preached in works where the protagonist just so happens to be the strongest & just like the author, never has to come face to face with the harsh reality of barbaric & feral enemies trying to rape & murder their loved ones.

I call it the "privileged pacifism" syndrome, which is generally done by Japanese and Weaboos. It's the privilege of living in a western country and never needing to interact with anyone who will beat the shit out of you for a dollar. You can see it a lot with Hideo Kojima works and it's worse in games where NPCs criticize you for defending yourself as if they have the knowledge you have a load button irl to prevent dying.

 

[ZMOT]

Fair enough, fair enough. My parents bought me the VHS tapes when I was about 9 so I only grew up with the Japanese version so it's nostalgic for me. I actually didn't hear the English version until years later when the sci fi channel started playing the shit out of it and like 5 other anime movies on Saturdays in the 90s.

And it's peak 80s, it's from 1988. You can tell because of the amount of Japanese girls singing over synthesizers on the sub, and the English dub has that unmistakable early '90s sound of black chicks singing over a funky beat.

I only bought the english VHS back in the 90's before I was a full-grown weeb, so I associate it more with that decade, like a lot of other stuff from earlier but only made it's way over here after sailor moon blew up. maybe I prefer the dub because I heard it first.
not even sure it was black chicks, wasn't it done by distributed by brits? I'd assume they picked the singer there.

 

[ShitLurker]

But who the fuck is Johnny & what makes him so fucking annoying?

Holy shit, that background character? I do remember when I dropped it I was kind of surprised he was getting so much screen time but did not expect... well this

TL;DR - The mangaka's inner fujofag kicked in & the main heroine has been replaced by a fucking borderline NPC character, turning the manga into Yaoibait, since the last decade.

Clearly dodged a bullet with this one. It was always a weird series, it's one of those where once you learn it was written by a chick it makes all the sense in the world like Hitman Reborn (nobody read it, it's trash), but at least the later actually finished.

I need an entire new comment on Aka honestly, but I will say one thing is that his divorce is rumored to be due to his spergy attitude & that said attitude might have led his wife to cheat in him, due to an interview later on where someone asked him casually what kind of girls he's into, & he said "the ones who are honest".

Go nuts, I love these zany stories.

I kinda hate half-assed pacifists in general due to the lack of nuance that goes into writing them, but some are very well written. Thorfinn is not one of those, probably the worst one I've read.

Agreed, I can work with pacifism, but it's very rarely done properly, only example that comes to mind is Trigun, but I'm open to suggestions of other media where pacifism is treated with it's actual weight.

He's a fucking insult to the noble ideology of pacifism.

What he is is a capital F Faggot, you can't be a pacifist when you could never be a threat, it's like saying that mice are pacifists because they run from cats.

All you need to know about Vinland saga dropping off is that eventually it introduces a character that can Accurately Be Described As - Transvestite Thorkell. No, that isn't hyperbole from me for the sake of a comedic joke. There's a buff bastard son of Thorkell introduced (out of nowhere) who dresses in drag in the Viking age because, representation? I don't know, and I don't need to know.

Yeah, I was in "remember the series exists and speed read the chapters" mode till this point, and a bit after this I said "why the fuck am I still reading this trash" and to the bin it went.

the english dance is actually why I prefer the dub
nothing against jpop, it just fits the striptease better imo.
EDIT: also remember liking the ED more, it's just peak 90's

Gotta go with it as well, hearing the english music was peak nostalgia, I remember when it was constantly in VHS tapes that had previews for other shows and Dominion Tank police was one that would usually pop up. And that's saying a lot since I'm all sub fuck dub.

Oh you can read all you like. The author's bad divorce kinda slowed things a bit including a custody for his daughter. One of the characters, I think Rito's classmate is patterened after said wife.

... But how much of the story was derailed due to the divorce? Did he stick with the girl being the love interest or did it take a savage turn of events? I'm honest to god intrigued now.

Also if another studio other than Madhouse picks up Frieren and fucks up the El Dorado arc I'm going to end up on the news.

Agreed, that arc was fucking peak and I want more of madhouse in top form with it. It very much deserves it.

call it the "privileged pacifism" syndrome, which is generally done by Japanese and Weaboos. It's the privilege of living in a western country and never needing to interact with anyone who will beat the shit out of you for a dollar. You can see it a lot with Hideo Kojima works and it's worse in games where NPCs criticize you for defending yourself as if they have the knowledge you have a load button irl to prevent dying.

It's incredibly performative and fake. That screaming "guys, don't fight, we are all the saaaame" avoid conflict I find insulting for the most part and though I would have tolerated in the past for children oriented media, as more time passes I'm more convinced it's a shit moral that just destroys the sense of self preservation for anybody that lives in any area that is safe and should probably be removed. More kids media needs evil that cannot be redeemed, not more "we can all get along!".

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

Why would Studio Ghibli do this?

 

[DrearyDoomguy]

Not necessarily pointing at you I'm still trying to figure out why people are acting like they got baited and switched out of their battle shonen anime by the the wizard exam arc when out of 28 episodes there were like 4 or 5 that were wizard battle centric. The Aura arc was really off formula, the rest of the anime was slow and character driven. Wizard exam arc was just a return to normal if anything, and I ended up liking most of the characters in it.

They definitely kept the action sparse throughout, placing it in just often enough to keep the character building from getting monotonous. By the halfway point the characters were established enough that they could carry the story more or less on their own. That was my takeaway moreso than ever expecting it to be an action centric story. The action was always confined to a few relatively short scenes, which accomplished two things at once; it allowed them to concentrate their budget and make the scenes more visually impressive, as well as making them more impactful by contrasting with the otherwise tranquil atmosphere.

 

[Thomas Talus]

When they make next season there's plenty of more demon fighting coming up but Madhouse will probably toss it off to some junior animation crew and it'll look like shit :/

The show is an actual mainstream (not just otaku) success, so that's unlikely.

I think that's the biggest issue, some genres run so heavy on tropes and "buy-in" you can't really deconstruct it or need to be really, really careful. most people also already know what's up, so what expectations are there to subvert?
I mean harem rom-coms already gets people riled up when the "wrong girl" wins, you can't have the MC end up with a "third party" because that feels like waste of time etc.

there's a reason most just leave it open and everybody can live with it's own headcanon (and h-doujinshi).

We Never Learn gave full endings for each heroine, which seemed to work well.

 

[Trilby]

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Why would Studio Ghibli do this?

That was pre-Studio Ghibli. This studio was Zuiyo Enterprises, though it's staff later founded Nippon Animation.

Either way, it was good meme potential.

 

[ShitLurker]

They definitely kept the action sparse throughout, placing it in just often enough to keep the character building from getting monotonous. By the halfway point the characters were established enough that they could carry the story more or less on their own. That was my takeaway moreso than ever expecting it to be an action centric story. The action was always confined to a few relatively short scenes, which accomplished two things at once; it allowed them to concentrate their budget and make the scenes more visually impressive, as well as making them more impactful by contrasting with the otherwise tranquil atmosphere.

The animation in most of the action scenes went so much harder than it ever had to. Was definitely put to good use by giving some eye candy outside of the beautiful vistas.

One of the most amusing recurring gags from the manga is Frieren and friends find a group of monsters and the next page they are all dead with Stark saying the equivalent of "golly that was a hard fight". Combat is really a minor part of the story outside of specific highlights and the manga is mid at best at presenting it anyway so the mangaka is wise at keeping it sparce there.

Am also impressed how consistent the adaptation was. Pretty much an episode was 2 chapters. Issue is that the standard manga serialization means that season 2 would end at around chapter 120 and right now the manga is at 127.

Basically, unless there is an anime only ending (and to be fair, with some rejigging, the content around those chapters could be worked into one), odds are that either season 2 takes a long time to come out or if not that one, season 3.

 

[vern]

Constantinople being skipped was reason enough to drop the series. I've heard that the Vinland part proper is a complete mess of half-baked ideas (there was a memetic image of a native shaman having visions of Evil Whites Colonizing, bloody hilarious).

I was going to sperg a bit more, but @Xenomorphs Are Cute did a better job than me. Yukimura was essentially lucky in forging a good first act (I'm still fond of Askeladd despite how stupid his Roman memery is, but it's the good kind of stupid) and a decent second, but he pretty much started going off the rails and showing he had no clue afterwards.

I got the pet theory that Constantinople was skipped not only because he fucked around useless arcs and cringe characters for too long, but also because it was goddamn difficult to contextualize it in his retarded ideology (and from what I saw second-hand from the Americas part he isn't doing too well even with the injuns). The Eastern Romans were living in a constant state of never-ending intrigue and warfare fighting essentially everyone, from imperialist religions that demanded submission or death to marauding slavs to the vikings themselves, and let's see how long "let's all be friends" works when the entire world plans for your destruction. I wonder.

There is one reason why a vaguely keep up to date to what's going on with vinland, everyone pretty much knows that real life colony failed, the question is how the series will depict it. I'll atleast give Yukimura some benefit of the doubt to not completely rewrite history and end the series implying that it was a successful settlement that lasted for decades, but man is it gonna probably be complete bullshit.

... But how much of the story was derailed due to the divorce? Did he stick with the girl being the love interest or did it take a savage turn of events? I'm honest to god intrigued now.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I swear he talked about continuing the series after high school into college and then to the workforce, which might of been interesting but we all know that didn't happen.

 

[Anne Hathaway Fan]

I only bought the english VHS back in the 90's before I was a full-grown weeb, so I associate it more with that decade, like a lot of other stuff from earlier but only made it's way over here after sailor moon blew up. maybe I prefer the dub because I heard it first.
not even sure it was black chicks, wasn't it done by distributed by brits? I'd assume they picked the singer there.

There's no blacks in Britain? Those fuckers LIED TO ME!!!

 

[WULULULULU]

Aka I'm kind of aware of how much of a sped he is and how he blew through the ending of Kaguya sama between his divorce and being more interested with Oshi No Ko which meant mucking up the ending a lot (the whole final family mafia arc is absolutely retarded and I'm still pissed at no proper closure for Ishigami and Miko), though I'd love to hear more stories of him being a sped.

I will never forgive him after the botched ending. All those years of character development wasted.