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One Piece 906..

That was one sucker-punch of a chapter.. All bets are off now lol.

Yeah, Luffy officially having a harem means everyone wins.

Oh, oh yeah, that was mind-blowing. I can't wait for the inevitable raid of Mariejois by the Straw Hat crew and fleet, it's gonna be fucking epic full of Celestial Dragons getting punched in their gaping maws ten--no, hundredfold.

Damn, I really should get back to watching, or at least reading One Piece.

Any Monogatari fans here? I've been meaning to check it out since the animation and art style is very appealing, but I can't make up my mind whether I should watch it in chronological or release order. It's Kizumonogatari that got my attention the most with that crazy fight scene between the white haired vampire girl and what I assume is her apprentice\slave, but maybe it would be better to watch it as it was intended so I don't get spoiled. Any suggestions?

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

Damn, I really should get back to watching, or at least reading One Piece.

Any Monogatari fans here? I've been meaning to check it out since the animation and art style is very appealing, but I can't make up my mind whether I should watch it in chronological or release order. It's Kizumonogatari that got my attention the most with that crazy fight scene between the white haired vampire girl and what I assume is her apprentice\slave, but maybe it would be better to watch it as it was intended so I don't get spoiled. Any suggestions?

To be honest, I watched it in broadcast order and it works rather better with the stories that "jump back" becoming more akin to callbacks, you also get Araragi and the others generally narrating where in the story you are.

Watching them chronologically means you'll be jumping around an awful lot and basically watching the show several times over to follow each individual character's real "plot threads" as you're not really following Araragi's story but his and his sisters and Senjouhara and Kanbaru's....

It'd become a fucking nightmare.

 

[ShittyRecolor]

To be honest, I watched it in broadcast order and it works rather better with the stories that "jump back" becoming more akin to callbacks, you also get Araragi and the others generally narrating where in the story you are.

Watching them chronologically means you'll be jumping around an awful lot and basically watching the show several times over to follow each individual character's real "plot threads" as you're not really following Araragi's story but his and his sisters and Senjouhara and Kanbaru's....

It'd become a fucking nightmare.

Thanks, man! Airing order it is!

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

Indeed, that was just really tragic. Though I think Rebecca had the second-worst voice in the series, Kerry Williams just never sounded good. She has had a couple of roles that were surprisingly well-done (Domino in Mewtwo Returns, Flora of Winx Club from what I remember), but she either was just not that great of a voice actress, or the ADR director directed her badly.

Man, if she sucks in support, then her main roles (Nami in the original OP dub being the biggest offender here) are by far the worst. And I can't tell if she was legitimately that bad or if 4Kids' ADR directors just didn't give a shit.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Man, if she sucks in support, then her main roles (Nami in the original OP dub being the biggest offender here) are by far the worst. And I can't tell if she was legitimately that bad or if 4Kids' ADR directors just didn't give a shit.

I honestly don't know. She was just as bad as Tiff in Kirby: Right Back At Ya!, though to be honest, the character wasn't any better as Fumu, she just didn't constantly sound like a big mouth in the original (though oddly enough, in the 3-D special, everyone reprised their roles and Kerry sounded just fine as Tiff). Given that everyone was directed poorly in the One Piece dub, her as Nami is nothing compared to what Jason Griffith did as Usopp, even though David Moo had gotten the really short end of the stick when his only other role was Xellos of Slayers.

(The only real exception had to have been whomever it was they got to record Gol D. Roger's narration in the theme song--I gotta go find it again but someone in a YouTube comment said they knew the guy personally because he was their basketball coach or something, and he was super chill and legit sounded like that.)

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

(The only real exception had to have been whomever it was they got to record Gol D. Roger's narration in the theme song--I gotta go find it again but someone in a YouTube comment said they knew the guy personally because he was their basketball coach or something, and he was super chill and legit sounded like that.)

Supposedly it was a guy named F.B. Owens, he also voiced Leatherhead in the TMNT series from that era.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Supposedly it was a guy named F.B. Owens, he also voiced Leatherhead in the TMNT series from that era.

Yeah, I'm currently looking around and saw that, and it's fucking awesome. Still can't remember where I found the YouTube comment, but I legit believe that's his natural voice and it's sad that he never pursued voice-acting after 4KIDS went under. Apparently he was in Will Smith's Hitch as this Larry character, but I never saw that movie, so I can't confirm ir.

 

[Done]

I have no idea how anyone can watch One Piece dubbed, most of the OG VAs are downright iconic, especially the Strawhats' VAs, Voice casting and direction is probably the only area of the anime that didn't see any decrease in quality at any point of the anime's life.

Damn, I really should get back to watching, or at least reading One Piece.

If you don't mind me asking, where did you stop? That will probably determine which alternative is better for you..

 

[Kari Kamiya]

I have no idea how anyone can watch One Piece dubbed, most of the OG VAs are downright iconic, especially the Strawhats' VAs

I've probably already explained it, but for me, it was a combination of availability (DVDs, don't usually watch something subbed on DVD the first time around) and familiarity with the voice actors, or at least with most of them, and so it was just real nice to hear them in it even if it wasn't any different from any other role they were in prior. The other reason is the fact Toei handpicked the voice-cast, at least for the main roles, so if Toei doesn't have any problems with them, then so shouldn't I. There was also an interview with one of the staff, think it's the ADR director (it was highlighted by DeviantArt, but still), in which he states there's someone on the team who's fluent in Japanese and a huge One Piece fan who keeps up to date with it, so he works closely with the scripts (if he's not writing them himself) in making sure they get as much of the nuances and little touches as possible. Pretty sure Toei keeps track of them as well to make sure it's as accurate as possible (think their big thing here is making sure the Devil Fruits are appropriately named in English), or to approve of any slight changes due to something being untranslatable and what-not.

Frankly, while I do like the Japanese voice actors a lot, I've noticed a lot of stuff happens on screen that makes quickly reading subs and understanding fully what's happening a bit of a challenge (and I'm a fast reader--also Crunchyroll's subs can be pretty subpar at times, so that doesn't help), and I get a little discouraged whenever I feel I missed out on something even though yes, the reread/rewatch value is very high. The dub was really helpful to me in that area, and is partially why I struggled a bit to continue onward with the sub for the first....... fifty... hundred episodes after I was forced to make that switch. I'm okay with it now, but I'm most looking forward to doing a rewatch one day in like a couple of years or so because by then the dub will have gotten much further. They've already finished up Fishman Island, so I'll probably be able to watch Dressrosa dubbed by then and I can't wait as Sonny Strait's performance is one of the reasons why I love Usopp so much.

And now that I'm about to finish up Zou, I'm curious as to who'll get to be Cat Viper, Dogstorm, and Carrot.

(Sorry for the sperging there, the whole dub v. sub debacle has gotten under my skin so much that I just feel now like I have to explain/defend my reasons for going with the dub more often than not. The obnoxious Digimon fandom was what pushed me.)

 

[ShittyRecolor]

I have no idea how anyone can watch One Piece dubbed, most of the OG VAs are downright iconic, especially the Strawhats' VAs, Voice casting and direction is probably the only area of the anime that didn't see any decrease in quality at any point of the anime's life.


If you don't mind me asking, where did you stop? That will probably determine which alternative is better for you..

I think I stopped watching at one of the early episodes of Punk Hazard. They say the animation quality and pacing gets pretty bad as the show goes on, so I might have to go full manga, even though I really, really like the voice acting in One Piece. The musical score it pretty awesome too for the most part.

 

[Done]

I've probably already explained it, but for me, it was a combination of availability (DVDs, don't usually watch something subbed on DVD the first time around) and familiarity with the voice actors, or at least with most of them, and so it was just real nice to hear them in it even if it wasn't any different from any other role they were in prior. The other reason is the fact Toei handpicked the voice-cast, at least for the main roles, so if Toei doesn't have any problems with them, then so shouldn't I. There was also an interview with one of the staff, think it's the ADR director (it was highlighted by DeviantArt, but still), in which he states there's someone on the team who's fluent in Japanese and a huge One Piece fan who keeps up to date with it, so he works closely with the scripts (if he's not writing them himself) in making sure they get as much of the nuances and little touches as possible. Pretty sure Toei keeps track of them as well to make sure it's as accurate as possible (think their big thing here is making sure the Devil Fruits are appropriately named in English), or to approve of any slight changes due to something being untranslatable and what-not.

Frankly, while I do like the Japanese voice actors a lot, I've noticed a lot of stuff happens on screen that makes quickly reading subs and understanding fully what's happening a bit of a challenge (and I'm a fast reader--also Crunchyroll's subs can be pretty subpar at times, so that doesn't help), and I get a little discouraged whenever I feel I missed out on something even though yes, the reread/rewatch value is very high. The dub was really helpful to me in that area, and is partially why I struggled a bit to continue onward with the sub for the first....... fifty... hundred episodes after I was forced to make that switch. I'm okay with it now, but I'm most looking forward to doing a rewatch one day in like a couple of years or so because by then the dub will have gotten much further. They've already finished up Fishman Island, so I'll probably be able to watch Dressrosa dubbed by then and I can't wait as Sonny Strait's performance is one of the reasons why I love Usopp so much.

And now that I'm about to finish up Zou, I'm curious as to who'll get to be Cat Viper, Dogstorm, and Carrot.

(Sorry for the sperging there, the whole dub v. sub debacle has gotten under my skin so much that I just feel now like I have to explain/defend my reasons for going with the dub more often than not. The obnoxious Digimon fandom was what pushed me.)

Lol, reading your post reminded me that I was the one who prompted your last explanation (sorry!).

I think my dislike of dubs stems from the tendency of English VAs to overact to emulate the 'feel' of Japanese anime VAing, I have noticed that I can't detect overacting in the latter, because I don't know much Japanese. Though I do think that whoever chose the Luffy voice should be shot with acid-dipped howitzers, such a terrible choice, overacting or not.

I tend to have no problems with Western Cartoons like Avatar or TMNT2012 (except on overly chirpy voices, I am very treble sensitive and I cringe hard at those), because those have a more naturalistic style of delivery.

I think I stopped watching at one of the early episodes of Punk Hazard. They say the animation quality and pacing gets pretty bad as the show goes on, so I might have to go full manga, even though I really, really like the voice acting in One Piece. The musical score it pretty awesome too for the most part.

Go with the Manga, and watch the important moments in the anime, YouTube is filled with OP 'moment' videos, my favorite is the 'Marco The Phoenix' channel.

I think you should return to Anime around the last quarter of the Dressrosa arc (good luck enduring that arc, so fucking long! But the payoff is very worth it!). The anime has improved vastly since the Zou arc began, so you will probably enjoy it.

One Piece is probably gonna cry out for at least a Dragon Ball Kai-style remaster, if not an outright remake!

 

[Kari Kamiya]

I think my dislike of dubs stems from the tendency of English VAs to overact to emulate the 'feel' of Japanese anime VAing

I haven't been noticing this, but current dubs do feel a little weird more often than not. If this is a thing that's happening, that's been rather recent because fucking purists have complained too much about dubs taking "too many liberties" or "censoring" that now dubs have to feel like they have to be as close to the original Japanese as possible. If it's always been a thing, given that dubbing was rather awkward way back in the day, it sounds more like bad voice-directing/acting/casting than over-reacting.

One Piece is probably gonna cry out for at least a Dragon Ball Kai-style remaster, if not an outright remake!

One Pace already exists.

 

[sasazuka]

Even though I know it won't likely get a western release for at least another year, I'm looking forward to the Non Non Biyori movie. However, I have to wonder how Silver Link is going to pad what is essentially just four medium-length chapters of the manga, really only enough story for two 22 minute episodes of the TV series at most, to movie-length?

Spoiler: Non Non Biyori manga spoilers

And two of those four chapters are the group arriving at the hotel and leaving the hotel and then flying back to whichever never-specified city* where the airport closest to Asahigaoka village is located. The other two chapters have the girls split into two groups, one of which goes diving in the ocean and the other which goes canoeing in the jungle.

I would not be surprised if half the movie is filler not from the manga and also if the Okinawa tourism board is heavily involved with the creation of said filler. Or maybe they'll go the same route that Kyoto Animation went with the K-On! movie and have the centrepiece vacation be only one portion of the movie.

* Asahigaoka village is kind of a universal rural community that could be almost anywhere in Japan where they farm rice on mountain slopes, but the nearby city seen from the airplane in that one shot at the end of the first still-unreleased-officially-in-English OVA, which leads directly into the Okinawa trip, seems to incorporate elements of coastal Chubu (central Honshu) cities especially Toyama and Niigata, although, almost certainly intentionally, no one city exactly matches the geographic elements seen in that shot.

 

[ShittyRecolor]

Lol, reading your post reminded me that I was the one who prompted your last explanation (sorry!).

I think my dislike of dubs stems from the tendency of English VAs to overact to emulate the 'feel' of Japanese anime VAing, I have noticed that I can't detect overacting in the latter, because I don't know much Japanese. Though I do think that whoever chose the Luffy voice should be shot with acid-dipped howitzers, such a terrible choice, overacting or not.

I tend to have no problems with Western Cartoons like Avatar or TMNT2012 (except on overly chirpy voices, I am very treble sensitive and I cringe hard at those), because those have a more naturalistic style of delivery.


Go with the Manga, and watch the important moments in the anime, YouTube is filled with OP 'moment' videos, my favorite is the 'Marco The Phoenix' channel.

I think you should return to Anime around the last quarter of the Dressrosa arc (good luck enduring that arc, so fucking long! But the payoff is very worth it!). The anime has improved vastly since the Zou arc began, so you will probably enjoy it.

One Piece is probably gonna cry out for at least a Dragon Ball Kai-style remaster, if not an outright remake!

Thanks man, that sounds like the best way to go around enjoying later One Piece. Oda is great at visual storytelling, and I still have the OVAs in case I want some OP sakuga goodness.

 

[Halberd Sonichu]

Haven't been watching alot of anime lately simplay not alot of new catches my interest at all.
I just been watching Yu-Gi-Oh Vrains, mostly cause my dumb ass brain is pleased by it. its not good, the writing is really bad and only just recently did the animation get a little better. I guess it gives me excuse rumble on about the card game. Blue angel new design is pretty good though, too bad she is a female character in yugioh.
I saw the first episode of FLCL Progressive and oh boy was that just a fart in the wind. I wonder if the trend of Adult Swim anime reveals not being great continue?

As for manga well One piece has been pretty dame good and each wait for the next chapter kills me. Oda is doing fine good job and I hope this keeps up.
I am also getting close to droping Black Clover. its gotten a little better since Lich's dog shit back story chapters. and just when Author finally slowed down a bit too. Pacing is important
I also gave NisiOision's The Memorandum of Kyoko Okitegami a read. Its alright, its mostly kneecapped by its concept. Doesn't allow its self to get interesting since it mostly its a case to case story. many of cases aren't too interesting since she has to solve it in a day and just leave me with oh its over feeling . even when it get to the interesting stuff like Kyoko's backstory and why is she like. just a slight hints which is good for mytersy story. but nothing really grabs you. Kyoko herself is cut though. I am also starting to why folks don't talk about some of his lesser known stuff. maybe I'll check out his better stuff one day, or maybe not.

 

[GeePee]

Mazinger Z Infinity is going to get a 1 week screening in my theaters this week.I'm going to see a giant robot anime on my theaters in this lifetime!and from a classic Go Nagai series on top of that!

 

[Done]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/8p7b0m/907_spoilers/

One Piece 907 spoilers.. Reverie is fucking crazy and hype and everything!

 

[PS1gamenwatch]

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/in...china-for-new-life-anime-cancellation/.132541


Outspoken anime director Yutaka Yamamoto (Wake Up, Girls!, Kannagi) took to Twitter again with a tirade against a new target: the cancellation of the [New Life+] Young Again in Another World anime following the original author's discriminatory remarks against China and Korea. "I'm mad at the cancellation," he said, and added, "Now all it would take is one blow to destroy anime."

Yamakan said several times on Twitter, and in an blog poston Thursday, that he thinks otaku are to blame for "ruining" anime. When the cancellation news broke, he tweeted the hashtag "The Day Otaku Ruined Anime." He claims this is as he predicted, and he further predicted that the industry will fall to disorder because otaku have too much power over the industry.

He characterized otaku as being too flippant about the state of the industry and unable to realize that it affects them. He mentions that even when there were directors leaving projects last year, and now series getting cancelled, otaku don't realize what the issues are because they only look to anime as a form of escapism and don't care about it as a medium.

Yamakan also said that he wants "to go to China and have a talk with people there," but he was quick to try to clarify this statement in a blog post.

"Honestly, I have resentment against (some) Chinese people," he said, and claimed he got in an argument with a "Chinese extremist" and ended up banned from entering China. "But at the same time there are lots of people from China who understand, and there are lot of fans."

He lamented that he was being attacked by Chinese people, stating that all he was trying to do was criticize otakunationalists for spreading hate against China and Korea. He blames both Japanese otakunationalists (netouyo) and "Chinese extremists" for the series' cancellation, and imagines himself as "in the middle" of both groups and subject to both sides' ire.

"If I'm criticizing the neo-nationalist otaku who are spreading hate, I get attacked from behind by Chinese people. It happened again today. It's really terrible. But it's not tied to my resentment towards all Chinese people," he wrote. "Is it so hard to have these discussions with common sense and reason but no hysterics?"

In the post he referred back to a previous blog entry from May 30, where he'd posted a reply he'd received that parodied Martin Niemöller's poem "First they came for..." about Germans not recognizing the Nazi's rise to power. The poem was rewritten to to begin with "First otaku attacked Yamakan..."

Yamakan's other tweets suggest he believes the cancellation is in part related to business interests of the production committee, a system he is critical of.

Yamakan has previously made discriminatory remarks, some he has apologized for. He characterized older otakuas disabled in September. He publicly characterizedFullmetal Alchemist director Seiji Mizushima as "childishly emotional," lashed out at the cast of the Wake Up, Girls!cast members, and partially blamed idol Mayu Tomita for being violently attacked by a fan in March 2017. In 2016, he declared moe as 'fascist' and anime is 'dead'.

Yamakan crowdfunded his in-progress anime film Hakubo(Twilight) and it is slated to open in theaters this year.

 

[NOT Sword Fighter Super]

Yes, of course! The worst part about ANY media is always the fans.

Fans ruin everything.

Calling them out for it isn't the best way to get your show back, though.

 

[d12]

tl;dr
"Anime was a mistake. Those who identify as 'otaku' sicken me."
-Hayao Miyazaki
(Yes, I'm aware the quote is false. Still funny though.)