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"angry" gamers/critics
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He complained about the purposefully shitty CGI for To Boldly Flee and Rob and Mike apparently sent Welshy to spy on him. Welshy told Phelous their intentions straight away.
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Yeah that was the straw that broke the camel's back.
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You'd figure that these guys would already know what shitty CGI is like considering it's in Doug and Linky's videos all the damn time. But apparently not when it's being done intentionally. That's sad, and I still commend Phelous for leaving.
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The Dunning-Kruger effect is a great thing, indeed.
The main flaw with Channel Awesome productions that aren't exclusively reviews is that you give the feeling that just because "they" can point out the flaws in certain films, this means that they won't unintentionally commit the same flaws themselves. That or they feel like committing every sin and think they can disguise it under the guise of "satire" (see: The Anniversary films that weren't the first one), and instead of being tongue-in-cheek it just feels really, really mediocre and childish.
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As I've said before, the very existence of Douchey McNitpick as a character has to be one of the most blatant examples of hypocrisy that I've ever seen on the Internet.
Floating Scotsman
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In response to the topic of "the Nostalgia Critic's fanbase will automatically hate a film just because he said it was bad" from a few pages back, this was something I noticed a lot with the Angry Video Game Nerd back when I used to watch his stuff regularly. You sometimes got the impression that the AVGN was considered some sort of unquestionable god whose opinions were the be-all and end-all in regards to video games. Even games like McKids (which James Rolfe admitted wasn't actually that bad of a game) or Virtua Fighter 32X (which he barely covered) were considered awful by the younger members of his fanbase "because AVGN said so".
A good example of this is James' video comparing the SNES with the Sega Mega Drive/Genesis. lots of people- many of which don't own the consoles and only play the game libraries via emulation- will say the SNES was undeniably the better console just because James said so, even though he stated himself that he was biased towards Nintendo. Not to mention said video had problems of his own- for example, he displayed false specs for the Mega Drive that made it look less capable than it really is.
These days, the "Because AVGN said so" fallacy isn't in vogue like it once was, due to the fact that the show is now less about unearthing obscure games from James' childhood, and more about picking on easy targets that everyone already knows about, like Big Rigs and Crazy Bus.
A good example of this is James' video comparing the SNES with the Sega Mega Drive/Genesis. lots of people- many of which don't own the consoles and only play the game libraries via emulation- will say the SNES was undeniably the better console just because James said so, even though he stated himself that he was biased towards Nintendo. Not to mention said video had problems of his own- for example, he displayed false specs for the Mega Drive that made it look less capable than it really is.
These days, the "Because AVGN said so" fallacy isn't in vogue like it once was, due to the fact that the show is now less about unearthing obscure games from James' childhood, and more about picking on easy targets that everyone already knows about, like Big Rigs and Crazy Bus.
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Yeah, I've seen countless kids mindlessly hating Castlevania 64 ever since AVGN did a brief review of it. Lots of people either think it's an insult to the franchise (not being a 2D sidescroller) or a broken, unplayable platformer, which it's neither. Unsurprisingly, it's unlikely any of those people ever played a CV game before this century.
It's a good example of internet critic cultists taking silly reviews too literally. Said review ended with a three-minute illustration of brief section where you can't jump and this was extrapolated to mean that was where AVGN "gave up" (a common way to end scripted reviews) and thus if the AVGN didn't want to play it, neither should anyone else.
This cult of personality works the opposite way. I'm sure a lot of AVGN fans would say Castlevania IV is the best CV game based on his lauding of the whip controls.
It's a good example of internet critic cultists taking silly reviews too literally. Said review ended with a three-minute illustration of brief section where you can't jump and this was extrapolated to mean that was where AVGN "gave up" (a common way to end scripted reviews) and thus if the AVGN didn't want to play it, neither should anyone else.
This cult of personality works the opposite way. I'm sure a lot of AVGN fans would say Castlevania IV is the best CV game based on his lauding of the whip controls.
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I loved the whip controls but I can see why they went back to the stiff horizontal whip because it made boss fights pointlessly easy and made any sub weapon but the triple cross superfluous.
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Honestly, even before AVGN and the knockoffs became popular, games like Superman 64 and Shaq Fu were already running jokes, and had been for years. Not exactly ground breaking work. The other thing that was really off-putting about AVGN was you had someone who had someone who actually was on the front lines of the 16-Bit Wars (keep in mind, a 20-year old today was BORN toward the very end of that, probably not even engaging into video games until the N64 and PlayStation 1), and he just didn't research things very well, despite having access to old magazines and stuff (I'm pretty sure he had a listing under the old "Did Not Do The Research" trope before that was excised). The Expansion Module #3 didn't connect the ColecoVision to an Adam computer, it actually made it INTO the computer. Or how failing to mention that the Genesis Dark Castle was just a shitty port of (an admittedly obscure) classic Macintosh game.
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Here's what I don't get about this line of thinking: if there are members of a fan base who don't have opinions of their own, wouldn't they also come to the conclusion that a movie or video game isn't all that bad if Nostalgia Critic or the AVGN said so? I'm guessing the consensus among this crowd must be: "this critic reviews bad movies/games and he reviewed this, so therefore it sucks!" At least, that's what it seems like to me. I guess they're too busy paying attention to the angry bits and parroting arguments against the movie/game to realize this. Could these same people have came to the defense of a beloved piece of media from their childhood when a "critic" dropped his $0.02?
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They would, and this happens. Check out comment sections and you're bound to find fans timidly saying that they "didn't think [so-and-so] was that bad".
But most fans, most of the time (and especially for critics who reviewed older media like NC or AVGN) have never played, watched or dealt with whatever's being reviewed. Being autistic, they trust the critic because they like them, and don't often swim against the current if it means being singled out as wrong or a hater.
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True. James got a couple of reviews wrong. Top Gun 2 (which he very briefly mentioned) is a legit good game on the NES. It's a great flight sim/action game.
I always thought he was wrong about Nightmare on Elm Street on the NES too. It's not an amazing game, but it's pretty decent and doesn't deserve to be lumped alongside the Friday the 13th game which is legit bad.
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Sadly, I have the feeling that HAS happened...someone says a contrary opinion, and the fanbase starts leaping on them like the crazed monkeys they are.
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It's happened every day since before YouTube was even created.
Welcome to the Internet.
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When it comes to CA, I prefer Brad Jones (The Cinema Snob) to all of them, for a lot of the same reasons above. He's a cynic, with a smooth voice who reviews obscure movies that people generally don't watch anyway. If there is a "plot" to a review, it's never more than something that appears once or twice in the middle and is only ever played for jokes. It usually has something to do with the movie, anyway.
Even when he does raise his voice, it's a lot less grating than Doug's anyway.
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Yeah, production quality-wise Brad is pretty below par. But his writing is far above his peers. He's one of the very few internet reviewers to actually make me laugh. Even a friend of mine who has zero interest in reviewers is a fan of Brad.
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The way I see Cinema Snob as a show is more just "keep it simple, stupid" regarding a review series. No point in adding random effects and plotlines and shit unless it's a rare, joking, tongue-in-cheek thing.
That's part of what bothers me about the Nostalgia Critic, Nostalgia Chick, and Linkara, among others. Their shows are supposed to be about reviewing things. Why the fuck should anyone want to watch their shitty self-insert fanfiction? (If you want to do that, then make a video series of that on its own or write it down or something else. Don't put it into something where it won't work and is completely unrelated to what it's being injected into.)
That's part of what bothers me about the Nostalgia Critic, Nostalgia Chick, and Linkara, among others. Their shows are supposed to be about reviewing things. Why the fuck should anyone want to watch their shitty self-insert fanfiction? (If you want to do that, then make a video series of that on its own or write it down or something else. Don't put it into something where it won't work and is completely unrelated to what it's being injected into.)