Americans don't know how to win a war

[Badungus Kabungus]

Factually, the Americans haven't actually won a single war against a peer power in over 100 years and in fact lost to the Bolsheviks in 1918-1920. Their involvement in both WW1 and WW2 was minimal and mostly related to manufacturing, they barely did any actual fighting compared to European nations.

Their only "military" victories in the 20th and 21st century were against shithole little islands like Grenada or brief pirate raids to steal oil from the Iraqis, which America still didn't recover from.

...and now these people are trying to tell Israel how to win a war against an enemy that America couldn't defeat. Americans need to fuck off with their meddling in Israeli security, go back to slaving away in factories, and stop pretending they know how to fight a war. They're a nation of merchants, not fighters.

For reference, Israel won more wars against more powerful opponents between 1947 to 1973 than America won in the entire 20th and 21st century.

 

[Spud]

Bait used to be believable.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Bait used to be believable.

Hey, if Americans unironically believe they won WW2, they'll believe anything.

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

You forget about the Pacific War? The Australians would be speaking Japanese instead of Chinese if it wasn't for us.

And the Soviets would have totally and utterly lost to Germany without US Lend-Lease, period.

 

[Chilson]

Their involvement in both WW1 and WW2

You could have just said WW1 and pretended WW2 didn't exist to make your bait believable.

 

[Unarmed Gunman]

We curb-stomped Grenada in the 1980's, that has to count for something.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

You could have just said WW1 and pretended WW2 didn't exist to make your bait believable.

Who took the Reichstag?


Again, American aid doesn't win wars, it prolongs conflicts and allows the American merchants to profit from Israeli deaths. Just look at Ukraine for another example of such.

If it wasn't for American liberalism and meddling in internal Israeli security matters, Israel would've pacified the sandniggers generations ago, even if it required glassing large parts of the Middle East.

You forget about the Pacific War? The Australians would be speaking Japanese instead of Chinese if it wasn't for us.

And the Soviets would have totally and utterly lost to Germany without US Lend-Lease, period.

Who defeated the Kwantung Army? But really, who cares about Australia? I did acknowledge that America can do manufacturing, but can't fight with the equipment they manufacture so they gave it to the Soviets, the Israelis, now the Ukrainians.

See the pattern? Americans need others to do their fighting for them while they just sell arms and profit from the deaths of others. A nation of merchants.

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

Should also point out we won Gulf War I and II too. Saddam and his worthless sons are dead thankfully.

We curb-stomped Grenada in the 1980's, that has to count for something.

Everybody forgets Grenada because of the Iran hostage crisis.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Should also point out we won Gulf War I and II too. Saddam and his worthless sons are dead thankfully.


Everybody forgets Grenada because of the Iran hostage crisis.

What, America finally found Saddam's WMDs and installed a stable pro-Western government in Iraq?

Also I did mention Grenada. A tiny shithole island with a population of 125 thousand people and the military capabilities of my local Albanian hash dealer.

What about Cuba? Bay of Pigs?

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

What, America finally found Saddam's WMDs and installed a stable pro-Western government in Iraq?

We killed them and overthrew their government, that's all we really needed to do. Saddam deserved it just like his sons, my only regret is he was hanged and not tortured to death like he did to his own people.

Gaddafi got what he deserved too, his death was more torturous and painful which was great. Hope they really worked him over with that knife, pure justice for all the people he murdered. Bet his butthole was sore when he finally shit the bed!

Also I did mention Grenada. A tiny shithole island with a population of 125 thousand people and the military capabilities of my local Albanian hash dealer.

Also wasn't a war.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

We killed them, that's all we really needed to do. Saddam deserved it just like his sons, my only regret is he was hanged and not tortured to death like he did to his own people.

Yes yes, Saddam was a cunt. But if killing him was the only goal, why not just resort to assassinations or precision air strikes of Saddam's palace instead of an invasion and a 24-year quagmire that continues to this day?

Although if the CIA niggers couldn't get Fidel which was right on America's doorstep, getting Saddam was a tall order.

Also none of that would've happened if Israel nuked the sandniggers in the 70s.

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

Yes yes, Saddam was a cunt. But if killing him was the only goal, why not just resort to assassinations or precision air strikes of Saddam's palace instead of an invasion and a 24-year quagmire that continues to this day?

Actually I think you can thank Jimmy Carter for that. I believe he is the one who limited the use of assassination on foreign targets. We should just be whacking this trash left and right instead of invading countries and harming civilians.

To be honest Russia probably should have just done that in Ukraine if they wanted an easier regime change.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

To be honest Russia probably should have just done that in Ukraine if they wanted an easier regime change.

I wouldn't say that, Zelensky is a disposable puppet who doesn't make his own decisions. Getting rid of the clown would just turn him into a martyr, and his handlers would find someone else for the role, there's no shortage of assholes willing to wear the sweaty green t-shirt. Zaluzhny, Budanov, etc.

Saddam on the other hand was THE leader and did not answer to anyone. Yeeting him would've immediately created a power vacuum allowing glowies to do their thing as Saddam's sons fight over control.

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

I wouldn't say that, Zelensky is a disposable puppet who doesn't make his own decisions. Getting rid of the clown would just turn him into a martyr, and his handlers would find someone else for the role, there's no shortage of assholes willing to wear the sweaty green t-shirt. Zaluzhny, Budanov, etc.

Sure, but they're also not a very strong government and still have enormous issues with corruption. Russia had almost $700 billion in foreign reserves at the start of the war, they could have bought the entire country's GDP.

Saddam on the other hand was THE leader and did not answer to anyone. Yeeting him would've immediately created a power vacuum allowing glowies to do their thing as Saddam's sons fight over control.

We also fucked up by completely dismantling the Baath Party and military. Put a ton of ideologically committed guys with military training out on the streets with no jobs and no options...great plan.

 

[X Prime]

The OP is sort of correct.

Now, what's even more terrifying is that somehow the Western Europeans are actually even worse off.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Sure, but they're also not a very strong government and still have enormous issues with corruption. Russia had almost $700 billion in foreign reserves at the start of the war, they could have bought the entire country's GDP.

Maybe, I heard there were attempts, but essentially the West bought Ukraine first and had unlimited money to throw at it, so it did not end up being a viable option.

Now, what's even more terrifying is that somehow the Western Europeans are actually even worse off.

That's correct because for years Western Europe's security strategy was essentially "hide behind the Americans."

Now it changed to "hide behind the Pollacks" which I find particularly amusing given how Western Europeans tend to view Slavs as subhuman. Even if they're fancy NATO Slavs.

 

[X Prime]

Now it changed to "hide behind the Pollacks" which I find particularly amusing given how Western Europeans tend to view Slavs as subhuman. Even if they're fancy NATO Slavs.

Given what's happening in Poland shortly after the recent election, I do not think that strategy will work out too well for 'em, Cotton.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Given what's happening in Poland shortly after the recent election, I do not think that strategy will work out too well for 'em, Cotton.

Dire times ahead for Western Europe, bros.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

Dire times ahead for Western Europe, bros.

Meme about richly deserved comeuppance goes here.

 

[Doctor Love]

You forget about the Pacific War? The Australians would be speaking Japanese instead of Chinese if it wasn't for us.

Random question - who do you think the primary enemy of Japan was?

Like, you, or the Chinese who they had invaded and fought for a solid 4 years by the time the USA took notice?

Now, what's even more terrifying is that somehow the Western Europeans are actually even worse off.

For the immediate time being. It depends on how well we can shake-off the infection and draw the Russian animosity to a close without getting fucked over.