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I was honestly shocked that no one has made a thread about this yet, so here we go!

Gaza violence: Israel defends actions as 55 Palestinians killed

Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu has said his military was acting in self defence during violence on the Gaza border that left dozens of Palestinians dead.

Some 55 were killed and 2,700 wounded by Israeli troops, Palestinian officials said, on the deadliest day of violence since the 2014 Gaza war.

The Palestinian Authority's leader condemned a "massacre". The UN spoke of "outrageous human rights violations".

The violence came as the US opened a controversial embassy in Jerusalem.

The move of the US embassy from Tel Aviv has incensed Palestinians, who claim eastern Jerusalem as the capital of a future Palestinian state.

They see the US move as backing Israeli control over the whole of the city, which Israel regards as its indivisible capital.

Palestinians were demonstrating on Monday as they have been for six weeks as part of a protest, orchestrated by Gaza's Islamist rulers Hamas, called the "Great March of Return".

However, Monday's protests - and more planned for Tuesday - are the culmination, as they mark the anniversary of Israel's creation in 1948 and what Palestinian's term the Nakba or Catastrophe, referring to the hundreds of thousands of their people who subsequently fled their homes or were displaced in the war that followed.

Monday also coincided with the dedication ceremony for the US embassy.

Israel said some 40,000 Palestinians had taken part in "violent riots" at 13 locations along the Gaza Strip security fence.

Palestinians hurled stones and incendiary devices, while the Israeli military used tear gas and live fire from snipers.

Mr Netanyahu defended his military, saying: "Every country has an obligation to defend its borders.

"The Hamas terrorist organisation declares its intention to destroy Israel and sends thousands to breach the border fence in order to achieve this goal. We will continue to act with determination to protect our sovereignty and our citizens."

An Israel Defense Forces (IDF) spokesman said soldiers fired on those engaged in "terrorist activity and not on demonstrators, who were dispersed by usual means such as tear gas and according to the rules of engagement".

Announcing three days of mourning, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas said: "Today once again, the massacres against our people continue."

He also condemned the US embassy move, saying: "We hear that they opened an embassy today. It is a settlement, not an embassy. A US settlement in East Jerusalem."

The violence in Gaza drew conflicting reactions in the international community:

  • White House spokesman Raj Shah said: "The responsibility for these tragic deaths rests squarely with Hamas... Hamas is intentionally and cynically provoking this response"
  • EU foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini and the UK called for restraint
  • Germany said Israel had the right to defend itself but should do so proportionately. France condemned the violence
  • Turkey said the US shared responsibility with Israel for a "vile massacre" and that it was recalling its ambassadors from both the US and Israel
  • One of the strongest statements came from UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Zeid Ra'ad al-Hussein, who condemned the "shocking killing of dozens, injury of hundreds by Israeli live fire"
  • South Africa also recalled its ambassador to Israel, condemning "the indiscriminate and grave manner of the latest Israeli attack"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-44116340

Some additional News Sources
Jerusalem Post: https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Tensions-mount-ahead-of-US-embassy-opening-in-Jerusalem-556335
Al Jazeera: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018...ssy-relocation-jerusalem-180514142652207.html
CNN: https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/14/politics/jerusalem-us-embassy-trump-intl/index.html
Brietbart: www.breitbart.com/news/the-latest-oic-condemns-us-embassy-move-to-jerusalem/
The Independent: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...p-protests-trump-kushner-latest-a8350501.html

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So far the body count is in excess of 50, with thousands more getting fucked up!

So, thoughts?
 
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Jon-Kacho said:
At least some Alt-Right people like Richard Spencer consider Israel a good example of an ethnostate and what they want America to be like. So while alt-right usually refers specifically to White nationalism, calling Zionism alt-right isn't super far off.
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It isn't, and Likud, the current ruling party, is definitely far right by most standards. However, it's been democratically elected. Israel has constitutional principles much like the United States, including an independent judiciary that sometimes finds the actions of this far right government unconstitutional (including things like torturing suspects). Aharon Barak, formerly President of the Supreme Court of Israel, is one of the few judges outside of English common law commonly cited in U.S. law textbooks.

Democracies are generally pretty good at not going to war against other democracies. However, they generally have no problem at all going after dictatorships and other shit governments that really have no right to exist. This isn't necessarily good, and sometimes leads to outright imperialism.

However, you can't really expect much but aggression from a tiny country utterly surrounded by shitholes that want nothing but to destroy the only country at their borders actually worth living in. They have to be so scary that even genocidal fuckholes are afraid of them. That's going to lead to far right governments, as the general population living there believe, correctly, that an extremely aggressive stance is the only way to survive.
 
Oh it's pretty easy actually.

The terrorist organization who regularly uses civilians to attack a country, and whine to the rest of the world when civilians get hurt or killed as a result, they're the bad guys.
 
Apoth42 said:
Judaism is a religion literally based around the idea that its adherents are gods chosen and that everybody else (goyim) are subhuman that don't deserve any rights.

I don't understand how anybody can paint a good guy - bad guy narrative here.
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Look at who is bringing kids to an active battle zone, and intentionally putting them in harm's way in order to score some PR points off their dead bodies.

Yeah, those guys are the baddies. It seems weird that you need that explained to you.
 
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Ruin said:
Islam is literally a religion based entirely around war and conquest. Ever read the Koran? It's 99.9% "Kill the non believers." Even the Bible occasionally takes a a break from bloodshed to whine about how gay people and eating shellfish are bad but not Islam.
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It also pretty much teaches them how to be sleeper cells in the presence of nonbelievers, the more bacon they eat and beer they drink and porn they wank to the more pressure cooker bombs and out of control moving trucks they have to detonate and plow into crowds with to make up for to get to heaven.
 
I feel that Israel should just over run the rest of the contested lands.

We all know there will never be peace between Hammas and Israel. Hammas stated goal is the total destruction of the Jewish state and occupation of all those lands...you can't really make peace with those whose only goal is your total destruction.

Just get it over with so the "world" can get the outrage going and we can move on.

Peace will only come once one side is gone and I'd rather it be a legimate state that triumphs then a terrorist based nation.

Harsh, but then so is life.
 
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Erodgen is literally calling for a Jihad like the Ottoman Empire did during World War 1.

I suspect though, it will be as successful.
Though the Young Turks had compelled the Sultan in his capacity as the Caliph to declare a jihad urging all Muslims to resist Allied encroachment on their lands, the effort was largely unsuccessful. The Young Turk government resigned en masse and Enver, Talat, and Cemal fled Turkey aboard a German warship. Sultan Mehmed VI, who was proclaimed Sultan after his brother Mehmed V died of a heart attack in July, agreed to an armistice. The Armistice of Mudros formalizing Ottoman surrender was signed aboard a British warship on October 30, 1918. Allied troops arrived in Constantinople and occupied the Sultan's palace shortly thereafter.
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Hamas says most slain Gaza protesters were its members

JERUSALEM (AP) — Most of the protesters killed this week by Israeli fire along the border with the Gaza Strip were members of Hamas, the militant group said Wednesday, an assertion that deepens the starkly different narratives on both sides over the deaths.

Israel, which has faced blistering international criticism over its response, is likely to latch on to the remarks to bolster its claims that Hamas has used the weekly border protests as cover to stage attacks.

But human rights groups say the identity of slain protesters, including a possible affiliation to a militant group, is irrelevant if they were unarmed and did not pose an immediate threat to the lives of soldiers when they were shot.

In an interview with Baladna TV, a private Palestinian news outlet that broadcasts via Facebook, senior Hamas official Salah Bardawil said 50 out of the nearly 60 protesters killed Monday were Hamas members, with the others being “from the people.”

Bardawil did not elaborate on the nature of their membership in the group and his claim could not be independently verified. It was unclear if the protesters he was referring to were militants or civilian supporters of the Islamic group, which rules Gaza and opposes Israel’s existence.

The affiliation may matter little to those who have deemed Israel’s response to the protests to be heavy-handed.

For Israel, it was enough to cement its narrative.

“It was clear to Israel and now it is clear to the whole world that there was no popular protest. This was an organized mob of terrorists organized by Hamas,” said Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Emmanuel Nahshon.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Israel had tallied similar numbers to Hamas and “won’t let those who call for our destruction to breach our borders and to threaten our communities.”

In response to the uproar over his remarks, Bardawil later said in a statement that Israel was “legitimizing the killing of Palestinians just because they are Palestinians or just because they are Hamas, even if they were unarmed and defending their dignity and rights.”

Organizers say the wave of border protests is meant in large part to break a decade-old blockade imposed by Israel and Egypt and pressure Israel to ease its restrictions. Since the Hamas-led protests began March 30, more than 110 Palestinians have been killed and more than 2,500 wounded by live fire, according to the Palestinian Health Ministry. Palestinian officials say the vast majority of the casualties have been unarmed protesters. One Israeli soldier has been wounded.

The weekly protests peaked on Monday when about 40,000 Gaza residents descended on the border area. As in previous demonstrations, smaller groups of protesters broke away and moved closer to the border fence, burning tires, throwing stones or hurling firebombs. Some tried to attack the border fence.

Israeli snipers, perched behind sand berms, opened fire from the other side of the fence, killing 59 Palestinians and wounding hundreds.

Images of the protesters being whisked away in stretchers amid the tear gas contrasted sharply Monday with jubilant scenes of the opening of the U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem by a high-powered American delegation and Israeli leaders. Hardly a mention was made of the border violence, only about an hour’s drive away.

The Israeli army has defended its actions. It points to the violent history of Hamas, says there have been shootings and bombing attacks against its forces, and fears a mass border breach.

On Tuesday, the army released a video that appeared to show protesters detonating several explosions near the border. It also said its forces had killed a squad of Hamas gunmen who opened fire at troops.

Lt. Col. Jonathan Conricus, a military spokesman, said 14 of those killed Monday were actively involved in carrying out attacks.

Omar Shakir, the local director for Human Rights Watch, said that under international law, Israel cannot use lethal force against unarmed protesters, regardless of their identity or possible affiliation with a militant group.

“These individuals that were killed, regardless of their affiliation or membership, were engaged in a demonstration in which they did not pose an immediate threat to life and were gunned down, and that’s what’s relevant,” Shakir said.

Israel says it uses live fire only as a last resort. Snipers are supposed to aim at protesters’ legs and can shoot only with approval from a commander.

However, some protesters were shot while standing dozens of meters (yards) from the border fence or, in one case, while running way, according to video and witness accounts. At least nine of those killed were minors, including a 14-year-old boy who was taking cover from tear gas when he was shot last month.

Hamas’ statement comes at a moment when Israel finds itself largely isolated over its response to the protests.

Countries have summoned and recalled ambassadors, the U.N. has issued condemnations and some have called for an investigation of Israel’s actions. The Palestinians held a one-day general strike and called for three days of mourning for the victims.

The U.S. was among the few countries that came to Israel’s defense, backing its right to protect its border on the same day that it countered international disapproval of moving its embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. The Palestinians, who seek east Jerusalem as capital of their hoped-for state and vehemently oppose the U.S. move, recalled their ambassadors to four European countries that had supported it.

On Wednesday, Guatemala followed the U.S. lead, festively opening its new Jerusalem mission with Guatemalan President Jimmy Morales saying his country was bringing a message of “love, peace and fraternity” to Israel. Paraguay said it also will move its embassy to Jerusalem. Romania, the Czech Republic and Honduras have said they are considering doing the same.
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So apparently, the vast majority of the dead "peaceful protestors" were literal terrorists/terrorist sympathizers.

Oh, and Hamas doesn't even give a shit about its own members dying. It's good for publicity, after all.

Hamas refused to accept to medical aid trucks sent by the IDF on Tuesday as relief for those wounded in the clashes. After the Kerem Shalom crossing reopened, trucks carrying medical equipment and basic neccesities began entering the Strip. Four of them belonged to the Palestinian Authority, two of which were UNICEF and two more were sent by the IDF. Hamas refused to accept the supplies from the truck and ordered its men not to unload them.
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Hamas is literally a death cult that prioritizes any slight against the Israelis over the lives and wellbeing of Palestinians. Aid materials and money are taken and used for tunnel building and making the heads of Hamas into billionaires. They purposely put civilians into harm's way to up casualty counts while firing rockets at civilian areas in Israel.
 
Cosmos said:
Hamas says most slain Gaza protesters were its members

So apparently, the vast majority of the dead "peaceful protestors" were literal terrorists/terrorist sympathizers.

Oh, and Hamas doesn't even give a shit about its own members dying. It's good for publicity, after all.

Hamas is literally a death cult that prioritizes any slight against the Israelis over the lives and wellbeing of Palestinians. Aid materials and money are taken and used for tunnel building and making the heads of Hamas into billionaires. They purposely put civilians into harm's way to up casualty counts while firing rockets at civilian areas in Israel.
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It's going to be a long time before the media works out exactly what Hamas was trying to do there, if they ever work it out at all. The MSM isn't even reporting on the tunnel systems (source) that were at the site or the fact that 50+ people weren't even killed on camera despite a ridiculous number of media outlets and private photographers being at the scene.

If those people weren't stopped, an entire army of angry, knife-wielding, bomb-throwing, and probably gun-toting maniacs were going to breach the border into Gaza, go on an absolute spree that would have gotten hundred or even thousands of people killed on both sides, and Israel would have been blamed for every last one of them. An absolute bloodbath that would have caused an international indecent was avoided, and all someone had to do was mow down a few dozen of Hamas' terrorists.
 
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