Amazon's Invincible - thoughts?

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I enjoyed the show as well. Omniman did nothing wrong btw.
only thing that could improve the show if Amber fucked off forever.
 
Foltest said:
I enjoyed the show as well. Omniman did nothing wrong btw.
only thing that could improve the show if Amber fucked off forever.
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She does later in the comic.

Unfortunately she is not brutally killed for being a twat but settles down with some other bloke while Invincible looks on happy she has found happiness like the boring cucked retard he truly is.
 
Finished it today and it's kinda meh. First important thing, western animation finally did it and outed Japan in making disgusting gore fest. Elfen Lied eat your fucking heart out, we have here far more brutal deaths to get normies gasping since that's literally the only level of violence they are not desensitized to by now.

As for actually talking on the actual show. It feels unfocused. The parts of the highschool is just terrible, plot threads are brought in and left hanging because it seems like the writers just padded the show with stuff from the comics without solving anything. I think the worse of it is the stone guy turning into the Kingpin. Since you'd think Invincible will ask him wtf about "running away from the criminal life", though at least it came off as a based lesson of never trusting blacks.

Another thing that bothered me is that it was like the show has a "show gore" button it pressed on and off when it felt like it fit the scene. The black Kingpin fight is a good example of it happening mid fight and it's just feels like a total tone shift. Also you'd think if the show goes for a realistic tone, the heroes would actually fucking kill their opponents, since the consequences of not killing a guy is that a bystander would very likely die in the fight. Cops shoot on center mass for a reason.

The pink superheroine going off to help others was standard hippie bullshit that also has a good reason for being an aspect that superhero comics ignore, since it breaks the worldbuilding completely (since every hero and villain can get super-rich simply by selling their services instead of illegal activities or crime fighting). Also very stupid by itself since it treats regular humans as pets for the godlike superheroes to bestow their favour on (killing the final message of the show) and in some of the displayed cases probably does more harm than good (if a field is completely barren, either the people working on it suck and you just rewarded them for it, or the land itself doesn't have enough rainwater for the massive amount of plants and grass you just dumped on it).

The final battle looked amazing, even if the gore was excessive, but it just felt arbitrary and rushed. Couldn't the hero's father take his time to get the hero on his side? The idea he suddenly had enough of the world in the literal homestretch is ridiculous and makes a great character turn into a 1d villain because the writers couldn't be bothered to actually give him good arguments. For example, him saying he killed the Guardians because going against them in the open would have killed a lot of civilians (like the fight in Chicago)? Or that the USA stepped over their family's rights so how exactly and alien rule is worse? We don't even know what the aliens are going to do to earth, is it also culling the weak? (which I might add, 50% for decimation is tiny in a global scale). Why even do all those 17 years spying when a single guy managed to conquer the world by himself? Why not bring a couple to breed the next generation there?

And for the social justice, jesus christ its constant. From having the USA and alien planets be comprised of 50% black people. Multiple characters turning into minorities and having seemingly white men be the tiniest minority in every organisation. The most disgusting example is the gay friend of the superhero who had a fling with a college student when he was 17. Imagine the screeching if it was a 17 year old girl wanting to get fucked by a college student, or that it was a women treated by a sex object. The gay college student (who I hope is only a year apart) get turned into a cyborg by evil incel man, because we got to include them. Also Monster Girl is almost assuredly the writer's fetish.

Finally, the show ends on a spectacularly shitty note of "humans are special and unique and deserve to have their normal life". Fuck you show, you don't get to be a cynical bloodbath for 90% of the show's duration only to pull this shitty psuedo religious horseshit because you cuck out of actually thinking where your world view leads. And you deserve to be shot if you like hearing a douchbag playing an acoustic guitar.

Edit: And fuck Amber, I didn't include her because just about anyone hates her.

Edit 2: Also the hero design is boring as fuck. Every character is an iteration of another comic book character and most of the time it's not for some interesting variant on the original character. Japanese shows like OPM and Hero Academia have far more interesting power sets that make for more entertaining battles.
 
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Woke Blue Muttlema said:
I swear to God I am going Full Omni-Man if this show becomes another Steven Universe. Motherfucking Filtrum was filled with wahmen and POCs going 13% on each other.
THINK VOX!

Not every authoritative "might-is-right" regime is a fucking Nazi parallel.
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It's actually quite interesting since the bug species that Omni-Man takes over after he left Earth, he just rules them as a king. He wasn't exterminating anyone, he was just preparing them to be a part of Virtum's Empire, and so long as they were obedient, he let them live on their own:


So it was a lot less like the Nazi Empire, and more like the Spanish Empire, where so long as a pure-blooded Spaniard from Spain rules as the viceroy over a colony, the locals can do whatever they want so long as they don't break the law or kill each other. Granted, the Virtumites get to boss people around, but there are so few of them (they killed off half their own population, then they got hit by a pandemic made by a traitor) that in an empire consisting of thousands of planets, at most, you might get a gaggle of Virtumites for each planet, or maybe even one or two.

If Mark Grayson followed his dad's script, Earth might have become their family's fiefdom or viceroyalty within the Empire or something, and the humans would get all the stuff Omni-Man promised, such as solving world hunger, ending wars, and medical technology that's far better than what they have, so long as they knew who wore the pants in the relationship and did what Omni-Man asks of them.

And of course, the dickhead Viltrumites who killed the bug-men were doing so because they were fighting with Nolan and they wanted to piss him off. It's like killing the peasants of a lord you're at war with to get to him.

The Viltrumites only did the whole "cull the weak" thing to themselves, and if Nolan's rule over the bugs is any indication, the Viltrumites just ruled over the other races as aloof overlords who kept to themselves and let their pets do whatever so long as they didn't piss on the proverbial couch. Of course, they see these pets as inconsequential, but it's not like they treat each other any better. The Viltrumite who was fighting Nolan dismissed the Viltrumite Nolan killed as a wimp. It's like with the Sith Empire, where despite the fact that the Sith rule as overlords over the Imperials, Sith kill each other all the time, and nobody really gives a damn about the dead Sith aside from "LOL they were weak".

Virtumites seem to be rather selfish, and it seems that Nolan is a rather unusual specimen in that he actually gives a shit about his son, whereas the others couldn't be bothered to give a shit if their comrades die in battle, just writing them off as "LOL they were weak and deserved death." The only Viltrumite they seem to give a shit about is their dead Emperor Argall, which is why THIS happens later on in the series:


But at the same time, it doesn't really seem like Viltrumite rule is for better or worse. It just seems like stability for stability's sake for the lower classes of non-Viltrumites, whereas the Viltrumites themselves just expand the empire because it brings order and stability. The only thing that changes is that you go from taking orders from an asshole from your planet to taking orders from another asshole who comes from another planet. You'll still be paying taxes and following laws, it's just that the Viltrumites can solve things like ending local wars, getting rid of hunger, and giving you medical tech that's far more improved than what you have.

My biggest complaint about the series is Mark Grayson. He still tries that cliche trope of fitting a teenage life with that of a superhero, which I got tired of a decade ago. It would have been better off if Mark sought to emulate his father more, and became more of a no-nonsense guy who would absolutely drop his dating life for the sake of the planet. Heck, if I were writing the story, I'd have it so that Mark tries to become just as strong as his father, and he goes off training harder and harder, pushing himself further and further, until he becomes his father's equal. He realizes how bullshit the life of a teenager is, working your ass off to earn a college degree that won't get you a job anyways, so Mark goes full-on with training and becomes more like a warrior poet than an average teenager, which his dad approves of.

Then, when his father reveals to him the truth, Mark would actually approach things from a reasonable perspective, asking what will change for the humans under Viltrumite rule, and he manages to find a way to get Earth to become a self-governing commonwealth within Viltrum's Empire, using the fact that Earthlings are the most genetically-compatible alien spouses for Viltrumites to get the Empire to give Earth some breathing room, once the Empire arrives.

When Mark learns there are other Viltrumites out there that are stronger than his father, he strives to become the strongest Viltrumite, even challenging Thragg at one point, as a sort of "final boss" for the story. Once Mark defeats Thragg, he takes over the Viltrum Empire and installs his old man as Emperor, since they both have royal blood. That time becomes the proudest in Omni-Man's life, the time when not only does his son surpass him, but also becomes the strongest Viltrum has to offer.

Then hook the fans in with a next season featuring a Cthulhu-esque threat that will require all the heroes and the Viltrum Empire working together against an eldritch horror that the Viltrum Emperor Argall only managed to seal away before, but now the seal's broken, and they have to put the thing down for real.
 
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wtfNeedSignUp said:
Finished it today and it's kinda meh. First important thing, western animation finally did it and outed Japan in making disgusting gore fest. Elfen Lied eat your fucking heart out, we have here far more brutal deaths to get normies gasping since that's literally the only level of violence they are not desensitized to by now.

As for actually talking on the actual show. It feels unfocused. The parts of the highschool is just terrible, plot threads are brought in and left hanging because it seems like the writers just padded the show with stuff from the comics without solving anything. I think the worse of it is the stone guy turning into the Kingpin. Since you'd think Invincible will ask him wtf about "running away from the criminal life", though at least it came off as a based lesson of never trusting blacks.

Another thing that bothered me is that it was like the show has a "show gore" button it pressed on and off when it felt like it fit the scene. The black Kingpin fight is a good example of it happening mid fight and it's just feels like a total tone shift. Also you'd think if the show goes for a realistic tone, the heroes would actually fucking kill their opponents, since the consequences of not killing a guy is that a bystander would very likely die in the fight. Cops shoot on center mass for a reason.

The pink superheroine going off to help others was standard hippie bullshit that also has a good reason for being an aspect that superhero comics ignore, since it breaks the worldbuilding completely (since every hero and villain can get super-rich simply by selling their services instead of illegal activities or crime fighting). Also very stupid by itself since it treats regular humans as pets for the godlike superheroes to bestow their favour on (killing the final message of the show) and in some of the displayed cases probably does more harm than good (if a field is completely barren, either the people working on it suck and you just rewarded them for it, or the land itself doesn't have enough rainwater for the massive amount of plants and grass you just dumped on it).

The final battle looked amazing, even if the gore was excessive, but it just felt arbitrary and rushed. Couldn't the hero's father take his time to get the hero on his side? The idea he suddenly had enough of the world in the literal homestretch is ridiculous and makes a great character turn into a 1d villain because the writers couldn't be bothered to actually give him good arguments. For example, him saying he killed the Guardians because going against them in the open would have killed a lot of civilians (like the fight in Chicago)? Or that the USA stepped over their family's rights so how exactly and alien rule is worse? We don't even know what the aliens are going to do to earth, is it also culling the weak? (which I might add, 50% for decimation is tiny in a global scale). Why even do all those 17 years spying when a single guy managed to conquer the world by himself? Why not bring a couple to breed the next generation there?

And for the social justice, jesus christ its constant. From having the USA and alien planets be comprised of 50% black people. Multiple characters turning into minorities and having seemingly white men be the tiniest minority in every organisation. The most disgusting example is the gay friend of the superhero who had a fling with a college student when he was 17. Imagine the screeching if it was a 17 year old girl wanting to get fucked by a college student, or that it was a women treated by a sex object. The gay college student (who I hope is only a year apart) get turned into a cyborg by evil incel man, because we got to include them. Also Monster Girl is almost assuredly the writer's fetish.

Finally, the show ends on a spectacularly shitty note of "humans are special and unique and deserve to have their normal life". Fuck you show, you don't get to be a cynical bloodbath for 90% of the show's duration only to pull this shitty psuedo religious horseshit because you cuck out of actually thinking where your world view leads. And you deserve to be shot if you like hearing a douchbag playing an acoustic guitar.

Edit: And fuck Amber, I didn't include her because just about anyone hates her.

Edit 2: Also the hero design is boring as fuck. Every character is an iteration of another comic book character and most of the time it's not for some interesting variant on the original character. Japanese shows like OPM and Hero Academia have far more interesting power sets that make for more entertaining battles.
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I'm still amazed at how easily the audience has just ignored the legal adult in the body of a minor thing.

Has it not been a source of ridicule each time anime pulls the "actually a 9000 year old dragon in the body of a young girl" bullshit?

And from what I've heard she actually has several relationships in the comic
 
Lucky Strike Salesman said:
She sucks and fucks her way through multiple people in the comic
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It was pretty much what I expected from the comic. It was all right. Omni-Man is still more interesting than a hefty chunk of the rest if the cast.

I do give them credit for keeping aspects of Rex-plode being an asshole with actual human qualities as well. No-one would have batted an eyelid if they made him even more of a generic tool.

Unfortunately as with the comics Mark and Eve are both still boring to me. And with what's yet to come that will not improve unless they launch a large amount of the plot into the sun.
 
Looking at videos like this:


It kinda makes me wonder how many people read the comic. Not that much, it seems.

It's quite amusing to hear people ask the question "can Omni-Man be redeemed?" when those who read the comic already know the answer.

Not just him, but his whole damn race-they become genuine protectors of the Earth by Issue 138.

I suppose this was how book-readers felt when they saw people watch the first four seasons of Game of Thrones, and people got attached to the likes of Ned Stark, Robb Stark, and Oberyn Martell.
 
Decided to give this show a watch and ended up binge watching it yesterday. It's flawed, but it was surprisingly fun to watch. I'm going to be of the unpopular opinion on this thread and say I actually didn't hate Amber as much as everyone else did as I think her behavior actually kind of made sense.
She found out immediately that Mark was a superhero when he took off to change costume and came back out of nowhere and suddenly everything for her clicked and the whole time he was standing her up, he was completely bullshitting her. It was shitty to make him feel bad, but I understood why she might've been pissed off because there was no reason for him to lie in her eyes. (Even though there was plenty of reason which she never thought about)
However, there's only one character in this show that for the duration I truly could not stand; adam eve. Her entire character is a complete failure for me because her powers seem completely inconsequential as with everything she does. Her parents are flatly written and annoying because they act like shitheads about her powers and her life choices to I guess show some agenda that women don't need parents which is completely forced. Maybe in the later seasons we'll see the effects of her powers doing crazy stuff to her, but for now it seems like it does nothing of consequence which frequently made me pause and question why (insert random battle or event in the show) had to happen the way it did even though she could've done what she was doing during the middle of the show?
 
Atom Eve is a shitty Doctor Manhattan whose powers are completely arbitrary. She can rearrange shit on a molecular/atomic level and yet in combat she just shoots gay laser beams, which to me is the laziest fucking thing they could've possibly done.
 
topsikrets said:
Atom Eve is a shitty Doctor Manhattan whose powers are completely arbitrary. She can rearrange shit on a molecular/atomic level and yet in combat she just shoots gay laser beams, which to me is the laziest fucking thing they could've possibly done.
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They took a character who can potentially turn Viltrumites into chocolate chip cookies, and made her a low-level DBZ character.

That's a collossal waste.
 
topsikrets said:
Atom Eve is a shitty Doctor Manhattan whose powers are completely arbitrary. She can rearrange shit on a molecular/atomic level and yet in combat she just shoots gay laser beams, which to me is the laziest fucking thing they could've possibly done.
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Those lasers better be cancer beams
 
I also looked at the cast and holy shit how the hell are they going to afford all that star power going forward in the next seasons?
 
Dave. said:
I also looked at the cast and holy shit how the hell are they going to afford all that star power going forward in the next seasons?
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I mean... it’s Amazon. They’re literally burning $450 million on a shitty woke LOTR reboot that everyone will be called a bigot for hating. Money really isn’t an issue for them.
 
LORD IMPERATOR said:
They took a character who can potentially turn Viltrumites into chocolate chip cookies, and made her a low-level DBZ character.

That's a collossal waste.
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She can't use her powers to alter living things, it's part of her back story that they haven't covered in the cartoon yet.
 
LORD IMPERATOR said:
Can't she can use her powers to heal? I remember seeing that during the fight against Conquest.
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In the moment of her death the mental blocks go down and she can use her powers without any limits, including healing herself and others. It only lasts for a couple of seconds though.
And yes, this does make her functionally immortal.
 
Goodbye Horses said:
In the moment of her death the mental blocks go down and she can use her powers without any limits, including healing herself and others. It only lasts for a couple of seconds though.
And yes, this does make her functionally immortal.
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Its a shitty asspull no matter what pants on head logic is used to justify it.
 
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