Amazon Studios to develop series based on Fallout

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Internet War Criminal said:
Couldn’t agree more on 1. He’s fantastic, and lobotomizing him, and as you said, basically killing him off, is a mistake. And I agree with 2 in essence, but the fact is that The Ghoul is just not as interesting a character as he should be.

What’s interesting is that both of them are very solid actors, both of them give their role everything they can, but they are both severely undercut by shit writing. Goggins moreso.
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Yeah when I'm thinking of Goggins in that show it's more or less just Cooper in the flashbacks. Acting-wise as the Ghoul he sort of peaked in season 1 when he actually had back and forths with characters with some degree of agency whilst also being aware of his own skill-advantage in any given encounter. In season 2 he clips conversations before they can go anywhere worthwhile and he doesn't really get into any antagonistic trades with any characters, which means he doesn't really get the chance to show off his chops. It's like the writers knew the season was filler, so they didn't want to inject anything into his characterisation that'd throw the ghoul too off-balance from how they want him to be in season 3.

Hank is still around but if he's not doing a bit, then his gimmick might be going from bursts of acknowledgement and pre-programmed lines and just staring off into space. Might be the easiest pay cheque of Kyle MacLachlan's career. I wish he had maintained some degree of rationality. The writer's didn't do a great job of conveying his dedication all things considered, because it would mean being truly thoughtful over the factions involved as opposed to making it more black and white. It's a shame so much of his time was on a plot thread that was an elaborate way of getting to, "I've got 5 guys going to places to do a thing." I do have an extremely dumb theory about why they killed him off in such a way without actually killing him:: I think the ultimate explanation for Moldaver and that scientist guy surviving the war will be cloning. I think once the clone dies, a fresh one pops out with memories up to a certain point hence why Shady Sands survivors worship her as a God given, from their POV, she came back to life. What Hank did was simulate brain death so whatever signal keeps track of his status thinks he died, meaning Hank will reappear in Colorado as a clone, which he knew would happen in the event of his death. We'll also see Moldaver and Scientist dude again. The payoff is a fight between robo-Hank programmed to be a good father and the clone Hank. They'll end their fight to help a troubled lucy, with one or both Hanks dying in the process. Alternatively they just want to keep him on for star power. Nobody is watching this for Maximus or Purnell.

Speaking of, I can't find a way to phrase it how I want, but season 2 almost felt like a re-do. They had characters revert to how they were earlier in season 1 so they can have a do-over on getting to that exact position again as they were at the end of. It's blatant with Lucy, but Maximus also reverted. If you recall, he ended season 1 prioritising his conscience over his duty to the Brotherhood, and he basically re-learns that lesson again over the course of season 2, just like Lucy had to re-learn that the Wasteland sucks dick and nobody is nice.

That's all to say: yeah, the writing shafted some characters more than others. Like the Ghoul, Norm is more or less in a a state the writer's want him so his thread moved at a snail's pace until it needed to end and they killed everyone off. He did get a legitimately nice moment when he leaves the fault for the first time. It was the first time the character smiled like that. Also he straight up saved a dude before helping the Asian chick.
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This gives Norm the best ratio of people killed (1, possibly still 0 if Bud Askins is still alive) to people saved (2) of the main cast.
 
Serbian Peacekeepers said:
Season 1 did actually have many sets of bare tits, in Vault 4 during that weird ritual scene. Also has season 2 even had a sex joke yet? I can't remember one honestly.
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Those wherent meant to be enjoyed visually.

Nothing about the heterosexuality in s1 was enjoyable. It was all subversive rub your nose in some message. Ie Lucy being raped, one eye having her water break as she was about to bang, the naked cultist being filled with fat and ugly people.
 
El Chacal De La Trompeta said:
its a show for the fans of the games without having any respect whatsoever for the material.
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>for fans of the game
My response to someone calling themselves a fan of both the games and show.
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(due to fucked up attachments: Fallout 3's Willow saying, "Face it. You're a tourist.")

To be a fan, you have to hold some measure of respect for the games and the material therein. It's therefore ontologically impossible to be a fan of the games whilst also being a fan of the show since the latter has no respect for the games, and would therefore contradict what it means to be a "fan" of Fallout.

To be a fan of the show you have to either have no real care for the games, or be conscious of its regard for the material its depicting and thus pick one over the other. You can, theoretically, be a "fan" of both, but to do that you need to utterly divorce the show from the game's canon and think of it as Fallout in name only.

There's nothing intrinsically wrong with liking the show, but its treatment of the setting is not respectful and that is objective. Blowing up Shady Sands isn't necessarily disrespectful on its own, because it's at least treated as a bad thing and it's not made light of. One might argue Titus, as a character, disrespects the material by what it implies about the BoS as a whole, but at the same time, Titus might just be one bad guy in an otherwise competent organisation - it happens. By contrast, and it might only appear small but no less mocking, is the conversation between Lucy and Maximus in season 1, where Lucy calls the BoS silly in concept and Maximus low-key agrees. This means our main characters, who offer the audience a perspective in the world, agree that the BoS as a concept is dumb, which means the show does, which is a subtle but explicit dump on the faction as a whole. This manifests in that abomination of season 2 episode 2, where the BoS become peak retarded. There's also the other general miasma in the show of all the wasteland's occupants being horrible, cruel, selfish, and not taking things - even death - seriously.

In the Fallout show's depiction of the world, this guy wouldn't exist and do what he does, for better or worse.
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(Pictured above: Malcolm Holmes)

Thank you for reading my autism thesis.
 
Is it explained in the show how the Ghoul's daughter ended up in the cryopod/separated from him (granted House didn't open it so she might not be there) despite the first episode showing her with him at the birthday party when the nukes fell and fleeing on horseback?
 
foreman 89 said:
Is it explained in the show how the Ghoul's daughter ended up in the cryopod/separated from him (granted House didn't open it so she might not be there) despite the first episode showing her with him at the birthday party when the nukes fell and fleeing on horseback?
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As of now, no. What Cooper did in the immediate aftermath of the Nuking of LA is still a mystery, I don't think the writers even know how they got separated.
 
El Chacal De La Trompeta said:
its a show for the fans of the games without having any respect whatsoever for the material.
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It's a show for fans of the games' reputation.

foreman 89 said:
Is it explained in the show how the Ghoul's daughter ended up in the cryopod/separated from him (granted House didn't open it so she might not be there) despite the first episode showing her with him at the birthday party when the nukes fell and fleeing on horseback?
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The daughter's pod was opened and revealed to be empty as well.

Literally the only way the opening of season 1 can make any sense without just retconning it is if the daughter is a Ghoul.
 
TheAmbiguousLurker said:
Literally the only way the opening of season 1 can make any sense without just retconning it is if the daughter is a Ghoul.
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I had assumed they got to Vault 31 then went into cryo there, then for whatever reason thawed and went to Vegas. Really convoluted. Whoever said above that it'll be some Fallout 4 situation where the daughter is much older is probably right. She's probably the leader of the Enclave and the ghoul's wife died like a hundred years ago or some shit. Todd Howard can't come up with a Fallout plot that doesn't revolve around finding a family member.
 
Man, after the first episode, I only wanted one thing from this show: to see it end and make a long post about how bad it was. But this season was so bland and incoherent that I can't even muster the energy to shit on it. It's all so pointless, so disconnected, so... flavourless that it even sucks the fun out of mocking it. There's isn't a point trying to speculate about the loose ends because nothing means anything, not even concepts like space and time: characters wander aimlessly just to find each other again by chance, and every main character lives in a completely different timeline. The basic narrative structure is so fundamentally broken that pointing out its flaws would be an exercise in futility. It's a series of events happening one after another with the cohesiveness of an alcohol-induced dream; it didn't even end, it just stopped.
 
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TheAmbiguousLurker said:
The daughter's pod was opened and revealed to be empty as well.
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The wife and daughter were frozen during the Great War. They are revived sometime recently and are still alive somewhere in the Wasteland. Depending on when they were revived they might have aged. Like the wife is 80 and the daughter is 50. This will be season three's dullest storyline.
TheAmbiguousLurker said:
Literally the only way the opening of season 1 can make any sense without just retconning it is if the daughter is a Ghoul.
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The Ghoul drops his daughter off to his wife when the bombs are falling. The wife takes them both to a Vault to be frozen leaving the Ghoul behind. The Ghoul then joins a Power Armor unit in the military and fights in Alaska. At some point he becomes a Ghoul and lives for two more centuries until the present. Sometime in the last few years his family was unfrozen and are living unaware that he is alive. It's horrible writing of course.
 
TheAmbiguousLurker said:
Literally the only way the opening of season 1 can make any sense without just retconning it is if the daughter is a Ghoul.
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Outside of dying, probably in some self sacrifice/redemptive moment (this'll probably be how the Ghoul dies), it's also the only way to have him and his daughter together without the rain on their parade that is his immortality getting in the way. Also the ghoul still has a huge chunk of glowing uranium in his stomach but I doubt it'll come up again.

Realistically I see the following being depicted in-show:
1. Horse rides to safety
2. Cooper needs to breaks through a crowd of people with his daughter to get her to the vertibird with his wife.
3. Wife and Vault execs get on vertibird, daughter is allowed on
4. Cooper is left behind because he's not vault-tec
Somehow the horse is also still alive post-war because it's gorse now and to facilitate an ending where the ghoul can ride off into the sunset

The postcard is kind of weird too. From how it reads ("Colorado was a good idea!") and its placement, it's like she left that vault, went to Colorado, confirmed it was good, then went back to leave the postcard as a clue.
 
Maker's Mark said:
So Lucy and Maximus are staying in Vegas and Cooper is now on his own in Colorado.
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Colorado? Great, so now that they ruined California and Mojave, they will now start raping extended background lore or even Van Buren content. Who am I kidding, these retards can't even read what's on the wiki, let alone spend time looking at these old design docs, that's not happening.
Maker's Mark said:
I have no doubt Season 3 opens with the Enclave showing up and obliterating everyone in the Vault as a reference to the opening of Fallout 2
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These morons don't know that Fallout 2 exists so we're good, but I am all good for including the Enclave. New Vegas fags got their lore raped, now we can get Enclave fags in on the action, get every annoying part of the fandom humbled by this shit pie.
 
It really isn't funny just how bad this show is.

NCR can't be bothered to unfuck Quarry Junction, despite their railroad infrastructure being dependent on limestone from said quarry, but they'll bop on over to New Vegas now that it's not worth anything to kill some Deathclaws there because THE WRITERS ROOM needs strategically placed for le epic battle with Caracalla's Legion (formerly Caesar's Legion)?

Kyle MacLachlan erased his own brain to get himself out of this show, which is based.

The Enclave is still a thing, despite getting their shit thoroughly wrecked for two games.

At this point, I just want Yes Man to pop up, kill/control chip everyone in New Vegas, and restore some sanity to this timeline.
 
Yes Man chads stay winning. My precious boy was the only one spared. He made it out untouched.
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Pentex said:
Caracalla's Legion (formerly Caesar's Legion)
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They... they are aware that Caesar is a title, used by pretty much every Roman emperor from the 1st century onwards, and the origin of the words Tsar and Kaizer, right?

They had the chance to do something clever and evocative of history by having Caesar's successor call himself a Caesar to draw a direct connection to his predecessor and establish legitimacy, as most Roman emperors did IRL, but dumbfuck gotta dumbfuck I guess.

Pentex said:
The Enclave is still a thing, despite getting their shit thoroughly wrecked for two games.
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Literally how?

In NV you do encounter Enclave remnants and it's made pretty clear the organization itself is no more, which I imagine the NV writers did as a "fuck you" to FO3.

Even dumb and dumber, Todd and Emil, dropped that shit with FO4 and came up with a new (and more terrible) antagonist.

Do these companies deliberately pick the most untalented hacks they can find, do they screen them so they can select the ones with the lowest IQ, or it is just the natural end result of putting women and minorities in the writing room?

Writers, even writers for schlocky, trashy TV shows like Xena or Hercules, used to have some degree of skill, and could deliver some pretty great episodes and story arcs on occasion, and if not that then at least functional and logically cohesive episodic stories, yet nowadays you'll be hard pressed to find a single competent author in all of Hollywood, despite the obscene budgets these projects have.
 
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