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So I was doing a little searching to try and make sense of the show's timeline, and I found this on the fallout wiki.
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This is the set for the Vault 4 Classroom from season 1, including the Infamous chalkboard which lead to the "Fall of Shady Sands" lore date of 2277, except...
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That isn't the date on this chalkboard, it's actually 2291.
The Fall of Shady Sands originally took place in 2291, not 2277. It was changed afterwards to 2277. I seriously believe now that the 2277 date was a fuck up and was never actually intended, but the people in charge of the whiteboard realized that 2291 was too close to the year the show took place (2296), so they pushed it back to 19 years before the show took place, but this accidentally ended up retconning New Vegas. Everything afterwards, Todd stating in a IGN interview that the "Fall of Shady Sands" wasn't actually the same as the Nuking, and that the Nuking takes place after New Vegas, was just a desperate attempt to fix a fuck up, the show was never supposed to retcon New Vegas, it was only supposed to retcon the location of Shady Sands. Todd, and the show runners, couldn't just admit they fucked up the date, "fixed" it, and then accidentally set it too early. So the "Fall of Shady Sands" was turned into a different event from the Nuking.

The script for episode 1 is publicly available, and in it it states that Maximus is 6 at the time of the Nuking of Shady Sands, and 19 at the time of the first episode. This puts the Nuking of Shady Sands in 2283, a much more reasonable date. The 2291 date is still baffling, unless you assume the TV show was set in a later year originally, like 2304.
The dates being so fucked up and inconsistent is one of the reasons I can't take anything they claim (no, no, bro, the Kings are all totally around and the NCR is too and etc etc) seriously. I'm not sure why they couldn't just wheel out Todd and have him go "yeah, the dates got a bit messed up, this is the actual timeline" and leave it at that instead of trying to basically imply that the fans are stupid for making a logical conclusion after reading the chalkboard. These people shouldn't be so naive and think a dedicated fanbase won't see these important(!) mistakes and ask for basic consistency, social media isn't a thing that came about 2 months ago.
 
Of all the complaints and critiques you can make of a TV/movie adaptation of a beloved game/book/whatever, obsessing over the timeline and the accuracy of the lore is the most uninteresting, the most easily dismissed, the least meaningful criticism. It's low hanging fruit. You know it's always the first thing out the window so the writers can play with their own toys. I kind of understand why that kind of critique is so prevalent when it comes to nerd stuff like this, sure, but all the same, it doesn't get us anywhere. It doesn't serve any purpose, it's not really meaningful analysis. At best it just makes filler content for YouTubers to sperg about. With a show like this it's clear we are dealing with broad strokes, and it's pretty clear that's all gonna be ass-pulled at the last minute anyhow.

The thing that's annoying me most at the minute is the contrived cliffhanger endings, which are the immediately resolved as though they were never a problem in the opening moments of the next episode. You can only do that once or twice before it gets cheap and annoying. I remember when I was a teenager I used to roll my eyes at Doctor Who (shut up, I was young once) for pulling this shit, where the Doctor and his companions would be surrounded by baddies at the end of one episode and then next week it would just have a bunch of soldiers pop out from just off screen and blow them all up, zero clever resolution or pay-off at all. And that's where this is heading.

Surrounded by deathclaws? It's cool just run away. One rusty ass chain link fence is enough to keep them at bay (it's literally a loading screen lmao) and nobody is apparently concerned about them. So what bullshit are they gonna use to save the Ghoul next episode, do we think? You think they'll even show it or will he just come back unharmed with no explanation?
 
The dates being so fucked up and inconsistent is one of the reasons I can't take anything they claim (no, no, bro, the Kings are all totally around and the NCR is too and etc etc) seriously.
Saying the timeline got fucked up during production would imply the first season wasn't actually carefully crafted, but was thrown together by show runners who didn't really know or care about the material past visuals, and Bethesda either didn't give a shit about how the show was being written and what it did to lore, or they weren't allowed to give any input on the show much like the Witcher devs. This is almost certainly what happened, but it'll never be admitted that was the case.
So what bullshit are they gonna use to save the Ghoul next episode, do we think? You think they'll even show it or will he just come back unharmed with no explanation?
I think the ghoul is going to have something of a come to jesus moment on that pole, since it's probably going to immediately jump back into a flashback to his time at the Lucky 38. He'll either pull himself off the pole through sheer grit to try and save Lucy and his Family, or will get helped off by Maximus and Thaddeus. It's obvious that the end of the Vegas plot line is going to be The Ghoul, Thaddeus, Maximus, and maybe even some of the Freeside residents fighting to take back the strip or at least beat Hank. Within the next 3 episodes Vault 33 and probably 32 as well are going to get a radroach infestation and probably get abandoned by the dwellers.
 
Holy shit, Culkin becoming Caesar thing is going to be a season 2 cliffhanger, isn't it? The pacing feels completely fucked, which is probably going to happen when you have 5 to 7 concurrent plot threads going on at the same time.

There is genuinely not a ton to say about episode 6 because its purpose was to set up the final 2 episodes if anything.
The big stuff is:

1) Incest support group is pushed back on by black overseer lady.
Guy in charge seems to just like being popular/liked so his pushback to trying to take his food away is entirely dependent on the cheers of attendees. Uranium Fever plays during a day dream so the decline into hedonism doesn't manifest as I expected and it's just a rather cordial if boring snack club. There's no real conclusion here, and after he refuses to comply ("My parents were selfish/self-preserving to get in a Vault so I'm also entitled to be selfish" - paraphrasing) we then cut to Clint and we can only presume nothing happens as a consequence of his refusal. She brought like a dozen guys in security armour to break it up and when he refuses nothing happens. I'm guessing she's going to approach blonde overseer next ep to give her whatever she wants in order to get help with her fuckhead vault.

2) Clint discovers he's getting married to Blonde Overseer. La creatura is missing.
The Vault plot moved half an inch. It's pretty much tied to Norm's plot and we got no Norm this episode so progress slowed all the way down. If they're reserving the Culkin shit for a cliffhanger of the final episode then we probably won't see what happens to 32 and 33 until the last episode too and we'll have to wait until S3 for it to get resolved. Shoving everything into episode 7 so ep 8 can be the "reveal" of the Enclave would certainly be a choice. Though if the stinger is the Enclave just attacking the Vault then that could be kino.

Wildcard prediction: Clint becomes a super mutant.

3) Super Mutant saves Cooper and heals him by burying a chunk of uranium in his torso.
I feel like this'd force him to stay out of the general vicinity of people. I don't know enough about the properties of uranium to make a call on it just perpetually giving off harmful radiation but I assume so. It defintely means he can't stick around his daughter if he does find her and alive at that. Furthermore, we've seen him chuck away the fusion core in ep 1, so it must be a choice not to hold onto sources of rads for quick heals. In-game the Ghouls don't opt to live in irradiated shitholes for a reason, and if I remember correctly it's because it'll just turn you insane or feral. Jason Bright might be an exception but what's going on there is nebulous as-is. Maybe if you're lucky you can become a glowing one and become legit immune to radiation entirely or something.

I did think he'd get off that thing by someone in snapping it off but in my head it was power armour. The reason for abandoning it seems piss poor (tracking) when otherwise there's legitimately only 1 place you can possibly seek safety at (Vegas) so there's no real point in abandoning it since they'll probably just gun for Vegas anyway just like they did for Filly.

Couldn't they have taken the fusion core at least? Thaddeus was eager to sell the cold fusion, so if he's got money on the mind why wouldn't he think of that? Shit's expensive in-game.

Also a missed chance to give that fusion core healing scene in ep1 a purpose. Imagine if they take him off the pole, and he bargains to reveal Lucy's location in trade for the PA core to heal himself, or sacrificing the core to heal Cooper is done as a move of more altruism by Maximus or something. Cooper still learns of the cold fusion like he does at the conclusion of the episode, it's only now they have to spend an ep7 preparing to make an excursion into the Strip to get in touch with House to learn where Hank/Lucy are.

4) The Super Mutant tries to get him to fight against the Enclave but Coop declines, then he gets dumped somewhere for Thaddeus and Maximus to find him after Dogmeat leads them to him.
I thought the guy in the hood in the trailer would be a Super Mutant but I still don't think it's Marcus. He says he and the ghouls are kin and puts both their origin on the same group (The Enclave). Due to the inconsistent nature of the F.E.V and super mutants in general it's possible for the mutant to arrive at this conclusion. I genuinely can't remember if super mutants existed (at least in theory) pre-war or not, but prior to 3 they were all the product of The Master just dumping them into vats of F.E.V. From 3 onward they seem to be the outcome of exposing humans to massive amounts of F.E.V in general which also exists in large quantities in the East. In the West though pretty much every Super Mutants comes from The Master's army.

Considering radiation in Fallout does not interact with people "realistically" in this setting, F.E.V. being the reason for that makes sense given it was meant to make life suitable for living in radiation rich environments. Everybody (except Vault Dwellers) has trace amounts of F.E.V. in them since it just saturated the atmosphere post-bombing. This is probably why humans in Fallout can survive in and around radiation without suffering irreversible damage. The Enclave/U.S. Gov did experiments with F.E.V. pre-war, and I think the ghouls being a product of F.E.V makes complete sense given it's in everybody and its purpose was to create life suitable for fighting/living in irradiated environments.

This would technically make the Super Mutant correct, but in order for him to pin the blame on The Enclave he'd have to be an Enclave-created Super Mutants. Considering the existence of Frank Horrigan, it's not impossible for him to conclude this. In F1 the Ghouls are put down like humans more or less because they can't become Super Mutants and the Master doesn't like them. In F3 the Super Mutants leave the Ghouls of Underworld alone but it's just apathy and fighting with the BoS rather than outright tolerance.

The show gets a faint +1 for making me theorise.
-1000000 if the Super Mutant or anyone else doesn't even mention The Master.

5) House was paid by vault-tec to make the mind control stuff. He got multiple Vaults to control/set the experiments for.
At minimum it means House wasn't creating this shit of his volition. The fact it doesn't work and required Hank's desperate tinkering to fix means this inadequacy was likely intentional on House's part.

Learning he has stewardship over multiple vaults creates the bizarre, even more benevolent painting of House because the vaults in the Mojave were less outright malicious than those in the Capitol Wasteland i.e. not many vaults which were just "make residents go insane just because". A lot of the Mojave vaults were pure social experiment where the thing that fucked over the vault was irrationality or fear versus a rigged outcome. Even the worse examples ("red vs blue" vault or "vote for a sacrifice" vault) had avoidable outcomes relying on residents just being more benevolent or more selfless. Some of them going extinct can be blamed on the residents themselves choosing violence and self-preservation over cooperation.

House dictating the "experiment" for Vault 21 (all disputes solved via gambling) makes House look even more benevolent in handling that Vault than he already was. Sealed, it offered no means of threatening him, opened, it would mean opening up an independent competitor right within Vegas itself he couldn't abide. He made it entirely the choice of those living in 21 whether to open the doors or leave them closed, when logically he'd be able to open it himself if he had stewardship over it like the show could be implying.


6) Enclave scientist from start of season 1 is alive during the pre-war flashbacks and threatens Cooper's wife. He is the one who tells her to propose "dropping the bomb ourselves" to the other CEOs.
We know was affiliated with the Enclave in the present so this also extends to the past, and since he was in league with Moldaver it's probable Moldaver is/was too? He's either alive via cryogenics or, my theory: cloning. It'd explain the personality differences.

7) Cooper's wife was more good-aligned than bad. She helps Coop extract the cold fusion from Hank's neck.
Next episode preview shows him handing it to someone, and I'm guessing it's House's body double who'll probably be killed. It also explains why Cooper even cares for his wife at all given he calls her a "monster" in this episode too, so she obviously redeems herself.

8) Hank is put in cuffs by Lucy. In an office of mind controlled wastelanders constructing more mind control devices, a Legion & old NCR guy from prior episode are revealed to be captured to. Legion is freed, starts impotently trying to kill Lucy and NCR guy, before Lucy presses button mind controlling them into cheery chappies.
In the trailers and the preview for episode 7 from episode 6, we saw Lucy in her yellow dress so I'm guessing she gets fully on board with Hank's "vision". She'll probably turn against him against him again at the end of the next ep or something, maybe killing him to save Maximus or The Ghoul. I'm leaning into the Enclave being the ultimate killer of Hank McClaine though.

9) Thaddeus and Maximus are lead by Dogmeat to the Ghoul.
Kind of an unceremonious linking up of these people. Even Thaddeus delivers a limp greeting.

The mutant dumps the Ghoul after knocking him out so he doesn't reveal where he lives, which begs the question of why he went to the effort of bringing the Ghoul to his hideout at all. I'm guessing he's utterly benevolent which can be an answer in of itself (Watch him drop, "Golden rule" or something lmao) What was he doing in Freeside anyway? Does the Ghoul not need his Ghoul juice still, how'd he not go feral, or are we to presume the Super Mutant gave him a dose? Does the uranium help or hinder, and will it even matter?

On the wall of his church-home place he had the NCR crossed out, so unless it's pre-existing graffiti I'm guessing the NCR under Moldaver isn't the one we're all familiar with.

10) Thaddeus comes from Boneyard.
Very minor but it confirms it exists. It's also odd that it exists given Shady Sands in the show is where the Boneyard is/was in canon - the ruins of L.A.

This either implied the NCR did just fall apart and so Boneyard exists as an independent entity now, or the Brotherhood did to Boneyard what they did to Filly for no reason and just destroyed it. Similar to Shady Sands though, maybe it was also just nuked.


Considering this pacing, it's possible that:
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1) The ultimate fate of 32 & 33
2) Culkin becoming Caesar
3) The Enclave reveal
4) Death of Hank McClaine
5) Reveal of Moldaver's whole deal
6) Super Mutant convo
7) Fate of the Brotherhood's fighting in Area 51
8) A conversation with Robot-House
9) Norm's arc [possibly meeting NCR remnant]

Are all within episode 8.

In next episode previews in prior episodes they have straight up included shit that doesn't make it into the episode. Most egregiously is Culkin/Caesar's crowning being in the preview for episode 4 or 5 and it's still not here lmao. I'm glad House was left relatively unscathed (jinx - he's gonna be uber evil in ep 8) but I wonder if they shouldn't help spent so much time on wasted scenes, such as most of the Brotherhood crap in ep 2 if only to have the show simultaneously have too few/too many episodes.
 
Why the hell wouldn't Barb know about the deal House is making with Vault Tech, the deal she's supposed to oversee? She seems to be one of the most important people here and is a liaison to the Enclave, how is this the first time she's hearing anything?

A big sprawling facility that Hank has to use a cart to drive around and Lucy can just wonder about and find everything she needs.

All of these people seem like Wastelanders, how the hell has Hank managed to kidnap so many, who appear to be actual combatants, in about a day?

Lucy wants to bring him back to the vault to stand trial, somehow not figuring out that the other overseers are obviously in on it with him since they helped him cover up her mother's death.

Also, why was Hank so determined to have her return to the vault if he was just going to take her down to his cave and excitedly show her his work at the first opportunity?

The Ghoul is just left there impaled all day with numerous people passing him by, and no one stopping to either help or rob him. At least someone would have worried about a dangerous feral ghoul and killed him.

Like, this series is going to eventually end with saying Hank and Cooper were wrong about their cynical views on the Wasteland right? That Lucy and Maximus will find something worth saving? Because everyone in the Wasteland is just crazy, retarded and needlessly selfish assholes. It makes the scene with Maximus' dad look even more hilarious retroactively, they're so extremely whimsical and hopeful whilst everyone around them is a self-serving scumbag -- all in a setting which is literally not allowed to grow anymore and all societies are doomed because Bethesda doesn't want to deal with plot threads.

The scene between Thaddeus and Maximus would actually be decent if it didn't have season 1 hanging over it. Maximus was a psychopath who literally tried to murder Thaddeus and thus is the reason Thaddeus is 'like this'. These two should not be talking like old buddies, Thaddeus should be pissed that Maximus has once again bulldozed into his life and ruined everything and dragged him into certain danger.

How is this asshole still managing to horde all this excessive rations in a food crisis!? The fuck is the little bitch gonna do if Betty just refuses to give him any more?

Fucking finally, how did this take Betty so long?

…Betty, how are you losing an argument to this retard? How do you have all the security and weapons in the vault and still get treated like a fraud? How is this filler storyline getting worse with every scene?

I am almost semi-interested in what the deal with the blonde girl is. She doesn't seem to give an iota of a shit about Chet or her baby, yet is going through all this effort to have the appearance of a couple and arranges a marriage ceremony. Maybe she just really enjoys emasculating Chet. Plus, she gets points for actually murdering one of the vault dwellers. Learn from her, Betty!

The Super Mutants are almost extinct? Does that mean Jacobstown was wiped out?

The scene with the super mutant feels like it's just there to set up a stinger for season 3. Like, you could have Maximus find the Ghoul at the pole and you wouldn't miss anything, the mutant doesn't even get named; all he does is name-drop the Enclave for all the non-Fallout fans.

Lucy, you can't confirm that the people are being brainwashed and then still treat them like they're free thinking people whose word you can trust as their own.

I'm sorry, she just stabbed a Legionnaire, through his armour... with a pencil...
 
Surely there are better things to do with your life.
I am playing TTW (Uranium Fever modpack) on my primary monitor.
Given it's [current year] and I'm not a tranny or an immigrant, 10 minutes of typing up stuff for strangers on kiwifarms probably puts me somewhere in the 80 percentile for the whole human race as far as time is spent.
Which is actually kind of tragic.
@>IMPLYING There are Enclave-made Super Mutants. The Enclave kidnapped people to mine Mariposa, and they were exposed to FEV.
I didn't recall this, but yeah it's in the Fallout Bible. I wasn't aware of this. In 2, there's still some Super Mutants in the bowels of Mariposa but I assumed they just remnants of the Master's army, but them being some Enclave leftovers is neat. Though I can't tell apart which was modded in via restoration patch or base game content so maybe they aren't there usually.

Never seeing Horrigan's face made it vague to be whether he was a Super Mutant ala Marcus or some other abomination but him being a Super Mutant is more than plausible just looking at his model.
All of these people seem like Wastelanders, how the hell has Hank managed to kidnap so many, who appear to be actual combatants, in about a day?
I'm guessing each Vault in and around Vegas is connected to one under via some network of underground tunnels. It'd give further justification for House filling the place with concrete.

I'm surprised he didn't just go through his whole stock of frozen subjects first, unless The Ghoul's family was just shown to us as a red herring and they'll actually be in a different vault somewhere. Him leaving personally to go collect new subjects is a bizarre choice though with too much potential for things fucking up. I imagine he sent the mind controlled people to go get more after a bit, but was he relying on kidnapping stragglers in a crisp clean suit with no gun on him for a while there or did he get lucky with chicken fucker being the most successful candidate by far?

As for time, the show's a bit wishy washy on it. I think from the start of season 2 to present it's been about 4-10 days.

Nobody helping the ghoul whatsoever is one of those plot things the writers didn't think about (but what else is new) because it's an indictment on the residents of Freeside as a whole and a vindication of most villains. Are the Followers of the Apocalypse not around? Is there not 1 single person in all of Freeside with the bare minimum of decency to help him, even if that "help" is in the form of a merciful bullet to the head? Why should I care that Freeside and its residents live or die then? They're all pieces of shit, apparently. If they wanted to hammer Lucy's argument home, maybe the bartender could've seen him, remember the exchange at the bar, and left him. Something that amounts to an actual human response. Nobody even glances at him.

With Jacobstown, it could be gone, but similar to Primm I think they'll just keep quiet on it. According to credit animations Primm is still alive but we only see it in the background so who knows. I they'll go the route of not mentioning it at all and this Super Mutant character is entirely unrelated.

His "extinction" statement would be true regardless. Super Mutants on the West Coast peaked with the Master, saw a bump thanks to the Enclave, but ever since then their decline is perpetual and their end inevitable. In Fallout 1 the BoS lady you speak to states their extinction is inevitable given they lack the means to reproduce. All you need to die is wipe out their production and wait. She also said this 120 years prior to the events of Fallout New Vegas mind you. The Master's army probably numbered in the thousands given the low success rate of transformation, hence the use of abominations like centaurs and such. Over a century the numbers must've been attrition down by NCR/Brotherhood/randoms. I wouldn't be surprised if there were fewer than a thousand or half a thousand Super Mutants left on the West Coast.

On the East Coast the BoS probably eliminated the source of D.C's super mutants (Vault 87) and in Boston they're all Institute creations, and in a game where 3 out of the 4 factions see the Institute destroyed, their chances of continuing in Boston aren't high. Attrition wears down the Super Mutants and given they make enemies for themselves due to their violent-inclination and genetic retardation; they're unlikely to make it another 100 or 200 years on either side of America. Chicago remains the Fallout wildcard though, given we know there's Enclave there and we learn the BoS fought Super Mutants there too so who knows.
 
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This nigga was pre-war too??? At this point I am waiting for them to reveal that Lucy is actually pre-war.
 
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>Clones (Garrrryyy) appear in a single Vault but never again in Fallout 3
>We're pointed to cryogenics so often that we're obviously thinking it's going to be cryogenics
I'm all in on clones.

I wouldn't be surprised if Lucy was also pre-war but didn't remember, just like she didn't remember not being inside a Vault once.
 
I'm surprised he didn't just go through his whole stock of frozen subjects first,
I think the mind control works on wastelanders due to latent FEV exposure. Every pre-war human and animal the device was attached to exploded their brains. An inverse to how intelligent Super Mutants can be created. Though something else could be the willingness of wastelanders to accept the brainwashing. Chicken-fucker readily accepted forgetting everything he has ever known. I bet a number of Hank's subjects weren't kidnapped; forgetting the horrors of the wasteland is something a lot of people would not turn down.

Which brings up a significant point from the episode; Maximus's and Thaddeus's discussion about find the right person to give the Cold Fusion to. Thaddeus's argument that the only reason Lucy is moral is due to being raised in a cushy Vault. "Wouldn't have to steal, stab, and fib all the goddamn time just to get by". Technically Maximus's point that he saw good people in Shady Sands justifies that perspective. Lucy and Max had enough of their needs satisfied that they could think beyond survival, they have a choice in their morality. We see that the Inbreeding Support Group acts just as selfish as any wastelander would do with access to a surplus of food.

Hank is providing his mind-chipped subjects with their needs but stripping away their free will. His line about the hypocrisy of having to kill people in order to feel safe gives insight into his character. I think he does regret the destruction of Shady Sands in some way. I rewatched his Season 1 confrontation with Lucy and makes a point about the evil that the Wasteland does to people. His daughter has a gun to his head at that moment. Hank believes that the world has to be remade completely as the NCR is still willing to kill others in order to feel safe. The mind control gets rid of all the aggression and fear and petty tribalism of the wasteland. A truly safe place for his children. Now, the question remains, is that under the banner of House, Vault-Tec, the Enclave, or Hank himself?
 
I just realised the thing where she takes the blue magic chip out of Vault Dad's brain in the past is meant to be the same thing like when they took it out of Enclave dog scientist guy in the future, but he was also from the past, so he must have got froze like the Moldova lady and then he went and did the Enclave. It's a good job they made it blue and glowy or I might not have known it was the thing.

So like the blue magic thing isn't actually a good thing, I am thinking, and the main point of the plot is actually to stop it getting into the wrong hands, not to make sure it does get into the right ones. I think. I'm not sure what's actually going on.

I am just confused, is the plot about the blue thing, the who did the nukes, or the brain control like why am I supposed to be questioning three distinct plot threads here I want answers goddamnit
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Placing my bet now, Maximus is actually Coop's great great grandson.
 
This is what the Super Mutant in Episode 6 reminded me of when they showed his face.
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Are all within episode 8.
I think Episode 7 is going to focus on
Maximus, Thaddeus, and Cooper working together to clear the Strip of deathclaws and find out where exactly the Vault is. At the end of Episode 7 and beginning of episode 8 House is going to show up and help them find it, and in exchange Maximus is going to give him cold fusion. The Legion, or at least Laceta Legate's Legion is a total wild card, either the next 2 episodes rush the Legion plot line and the Legion either sides with Hank or they Attack Hank and the Strip, or they are set up as a big bad for season 3. The Enclave is very interesting to me, we haven't seen them physically in the post war since Season 1, and the last time we saw a full power Enclave was at Raven Rock (Long Live President Eden), so how they show up is totally up in the air.
My hope for the Enclaves great return is a copy of their reveal in Fallout 2, where they show up to a Vault and gun down a bunch of dwellers. Please, at least give us a single Black Vertibird and some Power Armor, Todd.
Placing my bet now, Maximus is actually Coop's great great grandson.
This would be so fucking funny I hope it happens.
 
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phuck it, I'll use ChatGPT to improve the syntax of the post I just wrote, as well as expand upon my points

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One of Season 2’s biggest weaknesses is how casually it treats long-distance travel across a hostile post-apocalyptic wasteland. Characters routinely act as if moving hundreds of miles through dangerous territory requires no planning, no time, and no meaningful risk.

In S2E5, Cooper Howard tells Lucy that when she wakes up from a tranquilizer-induced nap, she’ll be back in Vault 33—as though transporting her from Vegas to coastal California is a trivial, overnight task rather than a major logistical undertaking.

Lucy later believes it’s realistic to escort her father—handcuffed in front—from Vegas back to Vault 33, with virtually no concern for defense, supplies, or the countless threats such a journey would realistically involve.

The result is a world that feels artificially compressed, where distance and danger exist only when the plot explicitly calls for them. Characters behave as though the wasteland shrinks and expands on demand.

Lucy, in particular, often acts with an implausible level of confidence that suggests the narrative will protect her regardless of circumstance. Her decision to mouth off to the Legion while surrounded by them is emblematic of this problem—and it explains much of her behavior throughout the season.

The issue isn’t that Fallout characters take risks; it’s that the show increasingly treats those risks as abstract, undermining the sense of danger that should define the setting.

Plot armor and narrative contrivance are inevitable in any story, but their visibility matters. The more blatantly a show bends its world to accommodate characters, the harder it becomes to take that world seriously. Fallout’s setting is built on scarcity, danger, and the idea that survival is never guaranteed—so when characters repeatedly bypass those constraints without consequence, the tension collapses.

Good writing doesn’t eliminate contrivances; it disguises them. It makes characters earn their survival through preparation, compromise, or consequence. When the scaffolding of the plot becomes this visible, it stops feeling like a harsh wasteland and starts feeling like a stage set—one where the rules only apply when it’s dramatically convenient.

What makes the problem especially noticeable in the Fallout TV show is how strongly it suggests a top-down writing process—one where major plot beats, visual gags, shock moments, and quirky or fetish-adjacent scenes are clearly decided in advance, and the narrative is then contorted to ensure those moments occur on schedule.

Instead of events emerging naturally from character motivations or the established logic of the world, the story often feels reverse-engineered. Characters behave less like agents navigating a dangerous wasteland and more like delivery systems for preselected scenes and jokes. When a moment is deemed desirable—whether for humor, spectacle, or titillation—the show bends geography, compresses time, and softens danger to accommodate it.

This approach creates a persistent sense that the setting is not driving the story; the story is overriding the setting. Lore, scale, and character psychology become flexible variables rather than constraints, adjusted as needed to funnel characters into the next planned interaction. As a result, decisions that should feel risky or irrational instead read as mechanically necessary, stripping them of dramatic weight.

Fallout’s world is particularly ill-suited to this kind of writing, because its appeal has always rested on friction: scarcity, uncertainty, and the idea that the wasteland does not care about the player or the protagonist. When the show prioritizes predetermined beats over that friction, it exposes the artifice of the narrative and undermines the very atmosphere it is trying to evoke.

The cumulative effect is a series that feels less like an unfolding journey through a hostile world and more like a guided tour between set pieces—one where the destination is always guaranteed, no matter how implausible the route becomes.

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@>IMPLYING "Nobody helping the ghoul whatsoever is one of those plot things the writers didn't think about (but what else is new) because it's an indictment on the residents of Freeside as a whole and a vindication of most villains. Are the Followers of the Apocalypse not around? Is there not 1 single person in all of Freeside with the bare minimum of decency to help him, even if that "help" is in the form of a merciful bullet to the head? Why should I care that Freeside and its residents live or die then? They're all pieces of shit, apparently. If they wanted to hammer Lucy's argument home, maybe the bartender could've seen him, remember the exchange at the bar, and left him. Something that amounts to an actual human response. Nobody even glances at him."


No one in Freeside even robs the ammunition from his sash, or even steals the anti-feral medication he's trying to reach. The writers made everyone in Freeside leave him alone - not even trying to opportunistically steal from him or assist him, because the plot beat they wanted to advance needed to happen. Come to think of it they could actually have had shown people stealing *some* things from him to make it more realistic and I don't think it would've jeopardized the plot they have in mind, but the writers really don't put much effort into their craft.
 
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If there's one positive thing to come out of this season, it's that grifter faggots like Creetosis take an L:
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"The inbred support group is filled with whites in a deliberate, Talmudic, Turbo-Judaic move to smear whites." No, we can see the black engineer guy is part of the Inbred Aristocracy even after they started accepting only the most inbred dwellers available.

The grift-squad were also saying that Eyepatch Bitch was meant to be some feminist icon or something. No, dummy, she's meant to be evil.

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Claws sharp enough to cut steel, wears a hooded robe, walks with a hunched back. Goris-sisters, I really thought. I really thought for a moment. Well, actually I thought Goris should be dead of old age and maybe he had a descendant, or it was a different sentient deathclaw. Nope, I've lost my bet.
 
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Claws sharp enough to cut steel, wears a hooded robe, walks with a hunched back. Goris-sisters, I really thought. I really thought for a moment. Well, actually I thought Goris should be dead of old age and maybe he had a descendant, or it was a different sentient deathclaw. Nope, I've lost my bet.
I really thought it was gonna be a deathclaw as well. I feel your pain. Up until the bag of meat I was convinced it was a deathclaw, then it turned out to be shrek.
"The inbred support group is filled with whites in a deliberate, Talmudic, Turbo-Judaic move to smear whites." No, we can see the black engineer guy is part of the Inbred Aristocracy even after they started accepting only the most inbred dwellers available.
Isn't the cast for most of this show like 90% white, anyways? I can only think of 8 or so non-white characters, and half of those are villains or antagonists.
The grift-squad were also saying that Eyepatch Bitch was meant to be some feminist icon or something. No, dummy, she's meant to be evil.
Did anyone seriously expect her to be a good guy? She's obviously a bad guy, the show couldn't show that more short of her curb stomping her infant child or some shit.
 
Did anyone seriously expect her to be a good guy? She's obviously a bad guy, the show couldn't show that more short of her curb stomping her infant child or some shit.
I found what I was thinking of! It's Prosthetic Man talking about this scene in the first ep of s2 (should be timestamped at 9:55):
He's inexplicably complaining about the evil character behaving evilly - though not necessarily saying she's meant to be a good guy, I guess.
 
Despite all the shit Lucy has seen. Despite the fact she just killed a man in the previous episode. She still saw an NCR and Legion soldier trying their damndest to kill each other surrounded by dozens of innocent people and thought it would be a good idea to release them. RETARD ALERT. Hank actually looks like the sane one here.

Why Betty hasn’t killed the incest group at this point is beyond me.

So the Super Mutant just force fed Cooper his anti-feral serum despite having a hole through his stomach?

They dick teased us with New Vegas at the end of season one and it amounted to jack and shit. They’re going to dick tease us with The Enclave and it will be just as disappointing in Season 3.

Two episodes left and they’re just going to speed run cram as much info to try to get us excited for next season.
 
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