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TheHarbinger said:
So far every mention of Vegas including the trailers has said either "Vegas" or "Las Vegas" and not "New Vegas". Wonder if that's intentional.
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I have a feeling it is, House is going to have some speech about how he's making a new world, a New Vegas if you would, and then Cooper Howard looks at the camera and shoots Mr House in the head.
 
Gravityqueen4life said:
Heard the Show is using AI and people are mad. You love to see it.
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The show already used AI for it's promotional material, are people really this dense they forgot already?
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My opinion hasn't changed, the show isn't canon and anyone who watches it isn't part of the fandom. Garbage is still garbage just because they put it somewhere nice and nostalgic. Looking forward to the New Vegas fans sperging out when the later episodes rape the canon of the games, you have to be delusional they will treat Vegas with anymore respect than Shady Sands or any other part of the lore.
 
(1) Mr House has some kind of mind control tech that explodes heads if the signal is too strong. Dislike the implication.
(2) Marty Robin's "Big Iron" gets used during the NOVAC shootout. Same here as everywhere I dislike when a life or death situation isn't treated at all seriously by the people involved.
(3) The Khans took over Novac. The Ghoul mentions that a woman called Dala (or Dhala?) ran the hotel prior but given the Ghoul was buried for 30 years she must've owned it prior to Jeanie May Crawford. Unless the show forgot its own canon and she was the woman who took it over after. The Ghoul also heals a wound on his neck using radiation from what appears to be a fusion core.
(4) "Bombs got shot down. Most of 'em anyways." Mr House remains GOAT.
(5) "Civil alert test will commence in 10 seconds" -> People still scream, "We're going to die!" and run around like retards.
(6) Defrosted Vault Dwellers are getting pissed off by how retarded the people are.
(7) Vault 24 was hiding behind the movie screen of the Starlight Drive-in theatre the entire time! (The route they've taken is very confusing, going from Novac, moving towards Vegas but somehow going to the drive-in that's in the opposite direction.)
(8) "With enough firepower to follow through on your wife's proposals." If they make House responsible for ending the world I will have conniptions. At bare minimum here they can have it be a misdirect.
(9) "Products of in-breeding support group."
(10) Vault 24 was a Communist vault which relied on mind control to keep compliance - uh, based?
(11) Hank has a one-sided conversation with someone over the radio. Heavily implied to be House based on the info we've received in the show ("Old stomping grounds" i.e. Vegas) but maybe it sounds too obvious they're pointing towards House for it to actually be him? Though the "plan for every contingency" points towards House having backup plans for surviving the end of the world (letting the show audience become privy to House surviving the war) or surviving a post-death ending in FNV. The whole "brain-computer interface" thing could be how they'd do it, with House's physical body being killed but his soul is now in the machine or something.
(12) In the "upcoming" montage, the pooner says, "the commonwealth is coming to kill us all" so the East Coast Brotherhood are now stronger than the West Coast Brotherhood (or something to that effect) and the West Coast is trying to splinter from the East or vice versa and so the Brotherhood is in a civil war.
(13) We saw they still have the original actor for season 1 House available so he was either a double for the real House or we're gonna see some major bullshit (the House we speak to in FNV is another body double so we potentially kill a fake). Unless House is now the secret leader of Vault Tec I'm guessing Vault Tec wanted to put mind control chips in all the relevant people's heads to help facilitate their plans, or if they're deigning to make Mr House not a complete villain his intent was to chip world leaders to both avert the end of the world alongside control it from the shadows.

I half-watched it during work hours for free courtesy of Cineby, so I was basically getting paid to do so.
I'm absolutely going to cope about Mr House up until we hear him admit to wanting to drop the bombs himself but for now I'm hoping they're going to treat the reveal he's a good guy as a twist.
 
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Something to remember is that House and Vault Tec worked together before as RobCo made the Pipboy. My guess is that these mind control chips were a joint venture but House wants it for himself rather than a corporate institution like Vault Tec. We saw in the "upcoming" section that there will be other people besides Hank in that underground Vault Tec headquarters, probably chipped in some fashion. I saw elsewhere an idea that Hank will get slave labor from the Legion, which is how Lucy will get brought to Hank.

Vault 24 being an experiment in turning Americans into Communists is something I would see Vault Tec doing. As well as it blowing up in their face because the mind control devices are a bit unstable. I do want to see a mod of Vault 24 of a hostile gang dressed in red vault suits and ushankas screaming Chinese Communist propaganda in American English dialect. That would be fun.

TheHarbinger said:
So far every mention of Vegas including the trailers has said either "Vegas" or "Las Vegas" and not "New Vegas". Wonder if that's intentional.
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Considering the people that refer to it as Las Vegas are a pre-war ghoul and a recently released vault dweller, they have little reason to use the term New Vegas.
 
Imperial Citizen said:
That would be fun.
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I'm hoping at the moment that House had acquired a prototype or simply acquired one of the devices covertly from Vault-Tek themselves to test its effectiveness, or invented it to give the illusion of playing ball whilst he works on his actual plans in the background (which are markedly less evil than what Vault Tek/possibly Enclave are proposing,)

If I recall right the Fallout universe never invented microprocessors/microchips which is what they appeared to be trying to do in the place Hank got to (the ever-shrinking versions of the device, the smallest appearing similar to one). Mr House possibly invented or came close to inventing one since the Platinum Chip was a substantial storage device but the size of a poker chip, which is quite the advancement compared to the size of other conventional storage devices in Fallout (holotapes). I'm banking on House not willing to play ball with Vault-Tec or the Enclave in helping them perfect the technology or something. Again, I'm heavily, heavily, coping that the show won't take the opportunity to make the most prominent billionaire pre-war character into an irredeemably evil bastard.

I'm also possibly coping that they won't end up implying FNV's Mr House wasn't Robert House and was, in fact, his brother Anthony or something. Maybe that was the guy we saw in season 1 or something? The HH Nailgun was a product of HH tools which while being bought up by RobCo, wasn't actually a product of theirs. For it to be a product of RobCo, this'd have be set between July 2077 and October 2077, but Goggins is probably going to be fighting in Alaska or Canada during one of the flashbacks (he's in power armour when it's snowing) meaning the show is between June 2076 and January 2077. We don't know the specific fate of Anthony but considering the range/extent of elevators, underground tunnels, etcetera in the show (Vault 24 -> some nebulous Vault-tek location) going from HH tools -> Lucky 38/Vegas isn't impossible via some secret elevator or something - it's not the most implausible scenario. This is a lot of theorising though for something that'll just end up not being close to the actual explanation in show for the two Houses. This might just end up being some other unknown brother or something, or a generic body double.

I'm hoping Hank at this point is secretly working for literally anybody else and not House. Right now I suspect Moldaver. This is in part relying on her being the sole source claiming House is intending to use his stockpile to end the world, when in-canon he used it to stop bombs destroying Vegas, alongside two unanswered questions:
(1) Why were the survivors of Shady Sands worshipping her?
(2) What was her method for surviving the war and for so long?
Hank working for Moldaver would answer how he gained entry into the vault 32/33 to begin with and make Hank's capture an inside job, all of which is facilitated by Hank more or less on Moldaver's behalf to carry out her ambitions. The whole "no factions" spiel (and "flame mother" title) has connotations of Posadism, which I think even Communists would baulk at ideologically, but acts as precedent for ideological motivation to bring about the end of the world. A Posadist would call themselves a Communist, which Moldaver seemed fine with being labelled in season 1. If Vault Tek weren't aware of Cooper Howard being at that meeting and invite him into the headquarters just fine, then they'd probably not be aware of Hank's involvement with her either, especially if he's under deep cover. Him approaching Cooper at all might've been Moldaver wanting to be sure Cooper had carried out the surveillance to begin with.

Though that last point about not knowing where someone is at all times could just easily be used to argue Hank is working with/for House and/or the Enclave. The cryo tech + brain-jars + ghouls + Cabot family + Moldaver + House all point to there being a surprisingly high number of ways for pre-war people to survive into the post-war, so theoretically Hank could've been speaking to anyone who inserted him into Vault Tek as a mole and managed to survive post-war. However, I think there's more things that logically discount House being Hank's contact than it being House IMO.

Why would he be reassured of House having a survival contingency specifically? House would've been dead for years at this point (assuming you chose a non-House ending) and Hank had already left the vault years ago (supposedly) to get Lucy back and nuke Shady Sands? Shady Sands was nuked in 2283, a year after New Vegas. Keep in mind, House was afraid of the NCR despite having this supposed capability to nuke them whenever and relied on them for his own ends, so there's no logical reason for him to do this or facilitate Hank's end on this matter.

Meanwhile Moldaver is now suddenly in charge of the NCR after destroying their capital/leadership, who revere her to a religious extreme, and will get to decide how to rule things as she sees fit. We only see Hank in a cage when Lucy shares a scene with him, so maybe Hank wanted his cake and eat it to with being able too in following his belief in Moldaver alongside keep his family too. He only speaks when spoken to in that scene and only talks to Lucy once she's out of the room and subsequently "dead". Shit, maybe Moldaver is Lucy's mom?

Schizocoping aside, House being a wrinkle in their plans because he existed as an uncontrolled element is basically my main hope here, hence Moldaver wanting Hank to kill House for her. He's high profile enough a name to get close enough and he'd be doing so under the idea he's saving the world. His chaotic neutral inclinations in-show would be justified by him getting screwed over by every side possible in the past. The continuance of a pre-war conflict between competing factions/individuals has been done before - Fallout 3's Point Lookout is a prime example of this.

Worst scenario is the show has no intention of being dishonest. House was/is a significant member of the Vault-tek's plans, possibly controlling it in secret, even to most of its own employees, all for the objective shared by Hank: to rid the world of factions. In the show's canon helping House is helping the man who destroyed the world. House being quoted as saying, "it's not a question of when the world will end, but who pushes the button," might be an extension of what his ideology is/was. He wants to rid the world of button-pushers.

Golden scenario: Moldaver is a bad guy and Hank is in league with her. Hank's argument (a world free of factions) is basically an extension of Muldaver's philosophy. The Enclave are an antagonistic 3rd party but will essentially be a red herring when Moldaver is the actual thread.

Or the Enclave is being lead by her covertly.

But if I go down the rabbit hole of who is secretly controlling who I'd be here all night. I'm of the opinion though that the Brotherhood West Coast is being manipulated or pupetted by the Enclave somehow, hence the Brotherhood becoming privy to the cold fusion tech being stolen despite it being a piece of Enclave property. The Enclave put a bounty out on him or something but how'd the brotherhood find out about the tech he had buried in his head?

Anyway, it's a scenario where House is spring clean. House might've thrown Goggins under the bus (maybe he's why Goggins is in Alaska) hence his remark in the present.

Jonathan Nolan has written a lot of convoluted shit so I don't think this beyond the realm of possibility.
 
Am I missing anything by skipping the ghoul flashbacks and Lucy's brother sidestory?

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>IMPLYING said:
(2) Marty Robin's "Big Iron" gets used during the NOVAC shootout. Same here as everywhere I dislike when a life or death situation isn't treated at all seriously by the people involved.
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That "shootout" was the worst action scene I have ever seen. Everybody has their guns pointed at the ghoul, but stand around and do nothing while the ghoul's stunt actor lethargically spins around like an athritic jet lee. The ghoul ends up killing like ten people without anybody getting a single shot on him despite every single one of those people having their guns drawn and pointed at him.

You can't even call it an action scene. Its just gore porn.
 
Serbian Peacekeepers said:
It was done purely for the scene, since Dinky needed to overlook the Motel and pool for the scene to work. There is no logical reason for him to be backwards other than that.
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That's the dumbest thing I ever heard, might even be dumber than some of the shit in the first season. You know what? I don't care, anyone who watches this deserves this level of stupidity, and frankly, they probably have IQ level low enough that they might not notice or care. At least we know who the target audience for this sort of thing is, no need to get your hopes up for future episodes if they already fucked up in the first one.
 
Stab You in the Back said:
Am I missing anything by skipping the ghoul flashbacks and Lucy's brother sidestory?
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Just Goggins (best actor) and maybe the most tonally consistent part of the show. Season 1, the flashbacks + Lucy's brother + future Ghoul scenes were more or less the only decent parts IMO because things felt less retarded i.e. more grounded, less knock-off Borderlands.

Lucy has the bizarre role of straight man/normal person so the world up-top confuses her, but given she and her situation was already weird to begin with, it's like the world around her becomes more and more batshit in order to compensate. The "flea soup" scene and the mother's non-reaction to her son's fate look out of place compared to any scene when characters besides Lucy interact with the world. Lucy's Fallout world is not a world where a father worries for his children.
 
>IMPLYING said:
Worst scenario is the show has no intention of being dishonest. House was/is a significant member of the Vault-tek's plans, possibly controlling it in secret, even to most of its own employees, all for the objective shared by Hank: to rid the world of factions. In the show's canon helping House is helping the man who destroyed the world. House being quoted as saying, "it's not a question of when the world will end, but who pushes the button," might be an extension of what his ideology is/was. He wants to rid the world of button-pushers.
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I think we reached a point where the NCR campaign in Fallout Frontier has better writing than the official marketed Fallout product
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At least that story was so stupid it wrapped around and ended up being kind of endearing, plus there were some decent setpieces. This just sounds like the most retarded thing imaginable, they turned House into Elijah 2.0 to wipe the slate clean, because...?
Making money is easier when you nuke the world? House really wanted an excuse to have that penis pump installed? At this point, it's easier to justify the talking drugged up lizards living under the sewers of Portland than this shit.
 
30+GameOvers said:
Making money is easier when you nuke the world? House really wanted an excuse to have that penis pump installed? At this point, it's easier to justify the talking drugged up lizards living under the sewers of Portland than this shit.
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You know what's stupid?
There will be firm House haters who'll now side with him if this is the logic they saddle him with, because there are Rick and Morty fans Nihilists out there who are 100% on board with the concept of destroying everything and starting over.

It's less retarded than, "we'll make profit," but it just amounts to, "we'll end all conflicts by destroying the world with conflict and then I'll personally lead this destroyed world afterwards – nothing can go wrong with this plan!" *Loses Platinum Chip*

Elijah was batshit but at least he his motive felt genuine because it felt real: "I fucking hate the NCR – Brotherhood 4 lyfe." & "I am autistic."
House's motive (in-game) was also realistic because it was personal and realistic: "I'll protect what's mine and help create a world where that protection was worth the investment."
He was reliant on others too to enable his plans. Were nobody to survive at all and he was left alone he'd probably just off himself. The show is putting him into a corner where he protected Vegas yet simultaneously was the reason he had to protect it at all. The fact he failed to shoot down all the bombs coming toward Vegas yet might also be the one who instigated everything is going to make him look giga-retarded.

I know, I know - "not canon." I don't type this out with seethe, it entertains me. Also it's the only Fallout media out right now that doesn't require paying for (76) or isn't a f2p mobile game. I should play one of those new mods that came out.
 
Giant Kozaky said:
wasnt his original lore that he predicted when the nukes would drop based on his own modeling and was scrambling to get defenses in place?
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He was 100% sure the bombs would fall in 2065 at some point in the next 15 years.
He knew he couldn't save the whole world but he could try to save a piece of it and thereafter humanity - Las Vegas.
He was 20 hours short of having everything in place. Still, he managed to deactivate 59 of the nukes remotely and shoot down 9, with the rest landing on the outskirts of Vegas itself.

So it took him 12 years to build up the anti-nuke system + invent the platinum chip, (which I think is basically the Fallout universe's first and only (as far as I remember) memory chip-based storage device (i.e. USB) in a world reliant on the equivalent of floppy discs) + create the securitron storage bunker/the securitrons + create the digital matrix that allows him to control systems all over Vegas itself. But then he had to wait 200+ years because the nukes started to drop in the morning instead of the evening.

EDIT: the only way to make this still consistent with the show is that he still predicted this and given the show's flashbacks are in 2076 (the "upcoming" footage shows Cooper in power armour in the snow so possibly Alaska so this gives a timeframe), it doesn't necessarily make the planning + prediction retroactively not happen. He'd now to delay, delay, delay if Vault Tec are intent in triggering a false flag or mind controlling relevant authority figures to drop the bombs.

The only way they can save this shitshow of a plot point is have Vault Tec not do it and the bombs started to fly irrespective of their involvement. And House can call it retarded to Goggins and thus save his character. (The bald guy was a retard, House dindu nothin')
 
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>IMPLYING said:
You know what's stupid?
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What's stupid is that this reads worse than any Fallout fanfiction I ever read, every single one and that includes every mod ever released. Even Fallout POS had better connection to Fallout and better continuity than this. As far as I'm concerned, this is another franchise altogether, not even a non-canon spinoff, so I couldn't care less what's actually going on in the story.
 
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